2nd ODI: New Zealand v Australia at Wellington on Feb 6, 2016

[ANTiLAG]

You seem to use "boring" a lot...particularly when you run out of steam....

Twice today. PeteCash's boring and repetitive comments about NZ tour of Australia last year (in particular his skating over the Adelaide result), and Bevan.

Those would be two of the more repeated arguments that I have participated on here.

They are rather boring arguments.

But not for when I'm running out of steam. I like to debate.

Just that I've had those 2 particular arguments before, they get repetitive (and yet I'll probably have them again).

You never find the same ol' arguments about any topic rather boring?

 

[Bazal]

Well, not when I'm right, I suppose

 

[ANTiLAG]

Well, not when I'm right, I suppose

I appreciate that; for me, being right, is why I will probably have those same boring arguments again

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Whenever I watched Bevan play I wanted him to last 30-40 balls then get out. He was a notorous slow starter, but once he had the measure of the pitch and bowling it was all over.

One thing stats don't tell is his ability to chip/place the ball into gaps and the way he ran between wickets. he would have been a nightmare for fielders the way he manipulated them around.

I have zero doubt that if his prime was in today's modern era his strike rate would be above 80 comfortably. I don't believe for a second that his strike rate has anything to do with a lack of skill/talent.

Was probably one of the best judges of a run chase, and with that ability there wasn't as much of a need to go searching for the boundary.

 

[vvvrulz]

Was probably one of the best judges of a run chase, and with that ability there wasn't as much of a need to go searching for the boundary.

But but but... Dhoni!

 

[TheParraboy]

NZ go 2nd on the ODI rankings with a win here (or series 2-1 win) - well deserved
(Australia clearly well ahead on no1)

We probably lose 3-0 here, im expecting it. Just hoping our test bats spend some time in the middle and get used to the conditions for the tests ahead. Id be real pissed if we lost 2-0 and played like limp leaves in that format

 

[ANTiLAG]

Whenever I watched Bevan play I wanted him to last 30-40 balls then get out. He was a notorous slow starter, but once he had the measure of the pitch and bowling it was all over.

Was probably one of the best judges of a run chase, and with that ability there wasn't as much of a need to go searching for the boundary.

What do you think of his run chases where he would last 30-40 balls and then get out?

I have zero doubt that if his prime was in today's modern era his strike rate would be above 80 comfortably. I don't believe for a second that his strike rate has anything to do with a lack of skill/talent.

"The Master of the run chase" argument does not apply when his first innings SR is below 80. His chasing SR is below 70 and is relevant - as is facing 30 and 40 balls for not many and getting out. For the record, Bevan batted in the first innings 1.4 times as he did batted in the second.

 

[Pete Cash]

Antilag the point isnt that david warner (for example) has a giant club. Its that his bat is weighted about the same as a bat from the past while being massive.

 

[ANTiLAG]

But but but... Dhoni!

Same myth. Better SR?

 

[ANTiLAG]

Antilag the point isnt that david warner (for example) has a giant club. Its that his bat is weighted about the same as a bat from the past while being massive.

Is it made out of wood?

 

[ANTiLAG]

NZ go 2nd on the ODI rankings with a win here (or series 2-1 win) - well deserved
(Australia clearly well ahead on no1)

We probably lose 3-0 here, im expecting it. Just hoping our test bats spend some time in the middle and get used to the conditions for the tests ahead. Id be real pissed if we lost 2-0 and played like limp leaves in that format

Nah, NZ will remain 2nd with a win here.

NZ is already second by virtue of having played 6 less games than India for the same amount of points.

http://www.icc-cricket.com/team-rankings/odi

 

[Bazal]

Is it made out of wood?

Mate, genuinely interested here. Do you play cricket?

 

[Pete Cash]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/944653.html
The treatment of the willow used to make cricket bats has evolved greatly, with manufacturers drying out the wood to create a springier surface and a far larger "sweet spot". This has also meant that far bigger bats are better balanced and nowhere near as heavy relative to their size - Richards used a 2lb, 7oz bat; Warner's, for all its bulk, is only 2lb, 10oz.

 

[TheParraboy]

Lets go to the video...

LOL, nice one Locky

Whenever I watched Bevan play I wanted him to last 30-40 balls then get out. He was a notorous slow starter, but once he had the measure of the pitch and bowling it was all over.

One thing stats don't tell is his ability to chip/place the ball into gaps and the way he ran between wickets. he would have been a nightmare for fielders the way he manipulated them around.

I have zero doubt that if his prime was in today's modern era his strike rate would be above 80 comfortably. I don't believe for a second that his strike rate has anything to do with a lack of skill/talent.

Was probably one of the best judges of a run chase, and with that ability there wasn't as much of a need to go searching for the boundary.

Great post

It is trivial comparing players from different eras, in particular pre and post t20 and changes to the deck

However, a decent debate is to compare players of their own era. Who was a better 6 than Bevan in ODIs of his time? Particularly when 4 down under 100 which happened more often back then.

 

[TheParraboy]

Mate, genuinely interested here. Do you play cricket?

excellent question

 

[Pete Cash]

There is a reason why batsmen swap bats all the time. The bats arent designed for a long time lol but a good time.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Mate, genuinely interested here. Do you play cricket?

Mate, genuine response, your question does not follow from my quote.

 

[Pete Cash]

He asked because it seems like you had no idea

 

[ANTiLAG]

He asked because it seems like you had no idea

Oh I could guess that much.

But thanks for your assistance Pete.

 

[Bazal]

Mate, genuine response, your question does not follow from my quote.

I was getting at the bat issue when I asked. The answer is yes, they're all made of wood. But do you use them? Have you used the older bats vs the modern ones? I've played for like 20 years with varying levels of failure. I've personally always used Slazenger bats because when I was a kid the Waugh brothers were my favourite players, and the store my parents bought my first real English willow bat from didn't have any GM bats so I got a V100. From there I just always liked the feel of the Slazenger stuff. My current bat is a V600 I got probably 12 years ago, it was like $350. 2lb 8oz, it's probably 3 inches thick at the middle and they used a hollow core to reduce weight, otherwise the equivalent V800 bats added about 4-5 ounces without the hollow core.

My best batsman just got a new Gray Nicholls. It's exactly the same weight as my bat, no hollow core, immaculate pick up...except it's over 6 inches thick at the middle and pretty much as thick as the middle of my bat at the edges. It's ridiculous, and it cost 100 bucks less than mine did back in the day. What they do with willow these days is mind blowing compared to even 2005, let alone the 90s.

So, yes, they are all made of wood. But they are completely different pieces of kit. It's like comparing a Civil War musket with an M16....