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2nd Test: New Zealand v Sri Lanka at Hamilton on Dec 18-22, 2015

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And everything to do with Australian batsman. Which was JJ's point.

Stop sulking already.

sulking lol ?

I suggest you go back and try to comprehend what I posted,

you know, as distinct from just reading

now back to you guys, tell me how well you bat on these greentops at home, which was what we were actually talking about in case you've forgotten
 

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He had a stress fracture, that's why he came home from England - stories suggest he's had a herniated disk more recently... so yeah, I think he's not cricket fit as it were, and probably down on confidence

As he showed in Adelaide, he's still the goods at times when in the mid-high 130s, buit at his best he's in the 140s all the time

did he have to modify his action ?

that's a pretty serious injury
 

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did he have to modify his action ?

that's a pretty serious injury

No modifications that I have heard of. He suffered a stress fracture in 2009. Took him two years to recover from that.

Then June this year, he complained of back problems and was cotton wooled until Australian tour. He has not looked quite the same since June in term of quality of deliveries. But the action looks the same.
 

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sulking lol ?

I suggest you go back and try to comprehend what I posted,

you know, as distinct from just reading

now back to you guys, tell me how well you bat on these greentops at home, which was what we were actually talking about in case you've forgotten

Ross, Kane and BJ bat well on them. Latham should be fine till he finds a novel way of getting himself out. No surprises with those four. Three technicians and Ross - who just finds a way with less technique.

The likes of Anderson, Guptill and McCullum - yeah well. Its not always pretty.
 

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What's bizarre here is that nobody has had success hooking or pulling, yet everyone is channelling their inner Andrew Hilditch!

The wicket seems to have a sweetspot that turns the bowlers into Garner - just a bit of extra bounce, and all batsmen are just pig headedly continuing to hook... despite Ian Chappell's BS, I don't really see the hook as a good option continuously, especially when fields are set for it
 

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No modifications that I have heard of. He suffered a stress fracture in 2009. Took him two years to recover from that.

Then June this year, he complained of back problems and was cotton wooled until Australian tour. He has not looked quite the same since June in term of quality of deliveries. But the action looks the same.

bloody shame, saw him in his prime and really expected a lot more from him against us although not much can be done with an injury like that, think he had a world ranking of 6 at one stage so no doubt he has the goods

he could have made a huge difference and no doubt would have lifted Southee at the same time
 

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What's bizarre here is that nobody has had success hooking or pulling, yet everyone is channelling their inner Andrew Hilditch!

The wicket seems to have a sweetspot that turns the bowlers into Garner - just a bit of extra bounce, and all batsmen are just pig headedly continuing to hook... despite Ian Chappell's BS, I don't really see the hook as a good option continuously, especially when fields are set for it

Punter or Martin Crowe would have shown them the way, those 2 could pull a ball and it didn't need to be too short

these 2 need to stay at the crease, or at least one of them will have to stay to get you guys home, lose them both and its gonna be hard, these 2 have the technique to play on this pitch
 

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Punter or Martin Crowe would have shown them the way, those 2 could pull a ball and it didn't need to be too short

Yep, or just do what Baz has started with - leave them, make them bowl to you - not rocket science

Williamson has played it well
 

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Yep, or just do what Baz has started with - leave them, make them bowl to you - not rocket science

Williamson has played it well

JJ you have jinxed him. Hes pulling and playing table tennis and tennis shots now.
 

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need Williamson to put his head down here till you get over the line

Taylor has always had that get out brain f**k shot in his armory, shame because he is such a talent, just need to get his head together which is probabaly why he wasn't a good skipper
 

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Taylor has always had that get out brain f**k shot in his armory, shame because he is such a talent, just need to get his head together which is probabaly why he wasn't a good skipper

I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiments. I just want to comment further.

Taylor is an anomaly because his dream was limited overs cricket. He came up through the levels and representing NZ in ODI cricket with no dream nor intent on playing test cricket. His ODI debut was 05/06 and his test debut was 07/08. That may be common in Australia, but not so often with NZ batsmen. If ODI batsmen do well, there is normally a spare spot in the NZ test batting line up to trial them.

The success he has had at test level is a sweet surprise to him by his own admission. Martin Crowe has worked extensively hard with him (and Guptill of late) once it was obvious that Taylor could score runs in international cricket with his endless sweeping of spinners and putting fast bowler loose deliveries through point and cover with disdain. He has an onside power game with pulls, slog sweep and custom 'hoic' shot but its agricultural.Its a challenge for Crowe with Taylor, because as you can well see, besides his off drive, he is not an orthodox technician. He managed to get Taylor to stop hitting or hoicing to mid wicket in test cricket (the ol' get out brain f**k shot of his) although he did that to Lyon in Perth. Taylor averages well over 50 in New Zealand. Which given the nature of our pitches is quite extraordinary. Over time under Crowe, his wagon wheel has a lot more shots in the V, but he is still instinctively brutal on wide off stump balls. Middle stump and leg stump - hes not so pretty on the eye. Even his on drive and often his straight drive typically follows a shuffle to the right, and often squaring up and getting a little too inside out when hitting the ball.

The captaincy being taken off him was nothing to do with his batting. NZ had just won a test in SL off the back of Taylor hitting a 50 and a 100 with Tim and Trent bowling very well. Ross found it very hard to accept. But Hesson only wanted to take the pyjama captaincy off him, not the test captaincy. Hesson wanted a more attacking captain in ODI and T20 - BMac; but because Taylor took it as a slight that he was not good enough, he did not tour South Africa and gave up the test captaincy.

I follow with interest the "reverse engineered" batsman for test cricket that succeed. Dave Warner is of course the most famous example of great extremes - fromT20 reverse hitter to a test opener of the highest quality be it with dashing or fighting an innings. A Sehwag and Slater approach of attacking test cricket is a common theme for some of the new breed learning to succeed in white shirts. Rossco plays test cricket with a SR of 60, which is not slow, but as he scores more runs the higher his SR climbs.
 
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100 for Williamson, what a player, what a year - in test cricket he's been easily the best batsman in the world in 2015
 

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Fantastic innings from Williamson. Wins the test (presumably) and secures most Test matches in a calendar year for a NZ batsmen.
 
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100 for Williamson, what a player, what a year - in test cricket he's been easily the best batsman in the world in 2015

Yeah he'd be nailed on for those honours. Been very impressive throughout the year. One double-ton, four centuries and a half dozen 50's. Not as many runs as Warner or Smith, but at an average of a shade over 90 and Warner's tons only coming at home and Smith only scoring above 50 twice since England it's pretty well confirmed I think.
 
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100 for Williamson, what a player, what a year - in test cricket he's been easily the best batsman in the world in 2015

Given the match situation, this hundred has to be up there with his best so far. Fourth innings unbeaten hundred to win a tricky Test match, as everyone around him had been losing their heads.
 

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