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2nd Tier players

franklin2323

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Just a thread to praise the good second tier players. I don't think we have had a bad player that has been called up.

Of course Mansour leads the way. Simpkins handy. Eisenhuth was nervous early but wasn't too bad. Docker, Robinson, Achurch have been good. Offloads and makes an impact.

Even Siejka & Taumata. While not setting the world on fire. Haven't been worse then Walsh/Burns.
 
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Big Mick

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Eisenhuth was clearly nervous and probably bombed a certain try. But aside from that was ok.

Docker was solid and had that great pass to Coote to set up our first try for Kingston.

Achurch has been good, but tbh I don't buy the fact he will be elite. Good, handy contributor yeah, but I don't get the anger about him going. He got paid great money over 4 years to go to the UK and play International footy as well. No way you could expect Gus to match that for a guy that is still largely unproven. And in return we got equally good, if not better talent in Kyle O'Donnell.

Robinson has gone from strength to strength on his recall. When he first got into grade he looked a bit out of his depth and wasn't really contributing to the level many expected. Sort of like Simpkins. In his recall after working on his game at Windsor, he has repaid Cleary's faith. Played well off the bench which IMO is where he is best suited. Has been an impact player for us.

Mansour was great the first month or two but has started to make some rookie errors as you'd expect. I think he should stay on the wing, I don't think he is ready for fullback and I think we could definitely use his strength on the wing. Moylan/KEIRAN Moss are better fullbacks right now and deserve the opportunity. Our wings are sorted for next few years with Mansour, Satini, Mackay, Roberts, Wes and Pelasio (if he comes back).

It bodes well for next year as 2013 squad with the added depth of getting guys like Simpkins, Robinson & Docker experience is only going to help us.

You'd think the starting pack & reserves would look like this:

8. McKendry, 9. Kingston, 10. Grant, 11. Manu, 12. Brown, 13. Austin
14. Segeyaro, 15. Weston, 16. Robinson, 17. Tia-Kilifi

At some point I'd like to see Kyle O'Donnell emerge as a starting prop, utilising McKendry off the bench at the expense of either Weston/Robinson/VTK and then in 2014 using Segeyaro as an 80 min hooker.

But looking at the depth for 2013 we'll have the likes of Docker, Simpkins, Armit, Ciraldo, Galea, Newton, Smith, Plum, O'Donnell, Latimore etc to call upon as depth should injuries occur instead of being utilised as starters like this year....that automatically puts us in a better position.

I also don't think Pangai will be used as a Winger like many seem to have him slotted in their line ups. I think that comes from reading an article about him being compared to Folau but they are different body types. I see Cleary potentially turning him into a Tony Williams style player which will eventually hopefully see us having a pack and bench in 2014 of:

8. O'Donnell, 9. Segeyaro, 10. Grant, 11. Manu, 12. Robinson, 13. Austin
14. Brown, 15. McKendry, 16. Tia-Kilifi, 17. Pangai

Which provides great impact off the bench along with utility player in Brown who is able to spell Segeyaro at times if needed or slot into the backrow.

Damn I'm excited. lol.
 

franklin2323

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Eisenhuth was called up on gameday. So hardly an ideal preparation. Plays on the right normally was on the left. With a rookie winger outside him.

Mansour's always going to be found out as a newbie. He's on his wing when we go that side. Loves the scoots and has decent hands. So for a rookie it's a good job

We just need halves. A bit of luck Siejka comes out early next year and carves up for Windsor.
 

chrisD

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Taumata looked good in first grade, angry he hasn't been given a real shot. Docker and Robinson exciting and promising. Thought Mansour went well at center.

I really don't know why we've bought so many back rowers, feels like too many to me.
 

age.s

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I didn't watch the game but I've been thinking Mansour will end up a center for a while now. Doesn't seem comfortable under the high ball, but incredibly damaging runner. Assuming he makes good decisions I'd like to see him given some time there.
 

Big Mick

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I'd prefer 3. Jennings, 4. Whare.

Whare's most comfortable position is centre and that's where he should be. IMO Mansour doesn't have the defense of a starting centre just yet.
 

franklin2323

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It's not just defence but he needs to develop a passing game. We will have speetd out wide which is useless if we don't pass it to them. Moylan has to be 1st choice fb next year. Watching Windsor without him you can see the class he has
 

Bob

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Eisenhuth was clearly nervous and probably bombed a certain try. But aside from that was ok.

Docker was solid and had that great pass to Coote to set up our first try for Kingston.

Achurch has been good, but tbh I don't buy the fact he will be elite. Good, handy contributor yeah, but I don't get the anger about him going. He got paid great money over 4 years to go to the UK and play International footy as well. No way you could expect Gus to match that for a guy that is still largely unproven. And in return we got equally good, if not better talent in Kyle O'Donnell.

Robinson has gone from strength to strength on his recall. When he first got into grade he looked a bit out of his depth and wasn't really contributing to the level many expected. Sort of like Simpkins. In his recall after working on his game at Windsor, he has repaid Cleary's faith. Played well off the bench which IMO is where he is best suited. Has been an impact player for us.

Mansour was great the first month or two but has started to make some rookie errors as you'd expect. I think he should stay on the wing, I don't think he is ready for fullback and I think we could definitely use his strength on the wing. Moylan/KEIRAN Moss are better fullbacks right now and deserve the opportunity. Our wings are sorted for next few years with Mansour, Satini, Mackay, Roberts, Wes and Pelasio (if he comes back).

It bodes well for next year as 2013 squad with the added depth of getting guys like Simpkins, Robinson & Docker experience is only going to help us.

You'd think the starting pack & reserves would look like this:

8. McKendry, 9. Kingston, 10. Grant, 11. Manu, 12. Brown, 13. Austin
14. Segeyaro, 15. Weston, 16. Robinson, 17. Tia-Kilifi

At some point I'd like to see Kyle O'Donnell emerge as a starting prop, utilising McKendry off the bench at the expense of either Weston/Robinson/VTK and then in 2014 using Segeyaro as an 80 min hooker.

But looking at the depth for 2013 we'll have the likes of Docker, Simpkins, Armit, Ciraldo, Galea, Newton, Smith, Plum, O'Donnell, Latimore etc to call upon as depth should injuries occur instead of being utilised as starters like this year....that automatically puts us in a better position.

I also don't think Pangai will be used as a Winger like many seem to have him slotted in their line ups. I think that comes from reading an article about him being compared to Folau but they are different body types. I see Cleary potentially turning him into a Tony Williams style player which will eventually hopefully see us having a pack and bench in 2014 of:

8. O'Donnell, 9. Segeyaro, 10. Grant, 11. Manu, 12. Robinson, 13. Austin
14. Brown, 15. McKendry, 16. Tia-Kilifi, 17. Pangai

Which provides great impact off the bench along with utility player in Brown who is able to spell Segeyaro at times if needed or slot into the backrow.

Damn I'm excited. lol.
Pelasio is currently running around for Windsor in the Bundy cup comp, Kane Morgan has also just resigned and he is in the top squad next year (per his twitter)
I'd expect Roberts to play NYC and Morgan to have a shot in 1st grade, I agree with Moses Pangai playing back row and McKendry on the bench as well
 

murraymob

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the thing i am most excited about is the fact we can debate about several players getting a shot at first grade from outside of what we currently in first grade.It has been a lot of years since we could do this
 

Doomednow

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Any guarantees these guys will be starting next year? I'm used to little positive change so a lot of this sounds like optimistic talk to me.
 

MountainMan

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Why is Pelasio not playing nsw cup or have a full time contract...was one of if not the most consist nyc player the last few season
 

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