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3rd Test: England v South Africa at Lord's Aug 16-20, 2012

TheParraboy

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a bit different to the Aussie selectors as KP's form warrants his selection. His last innings has to be the best innings in the history of cricket to be followed by an axing

sure are, they dropped an inform player who thinks he is bigger than the side and caused disharmony to the side

kudos to them
 

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it's interesting because when you look at England on the field, there does not appear to be any disharmony in the team. There is one person who appears to have an attitude problem on the field and that's Stuart Broad
 

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a bit different to the Aussie selectors as KP's form warrants his selection. His last innings has to be the best innings in the history of cricket to be followed by an axing

Should i need to remind you about the great Jason Gillespe and his 201*
 

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He strode to the crease with Australia in deep trouble at 1/67 still a whopping 130 behind the might of Bangladesh.

By the time he was done he had steered Asutralia to a lead of 380.
 

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Jacques Kallis, he knows

Pietersen a big loss for England - Kallis
Firdose Moonda
August 14, 2012

England hoped to neutralise the acidic build-up of the final Test against South Africa by presenting Tim Bresnan, who admitted to the media he "probably won't know" too many of the details surrounding the Kevin Pietersen saga. South Africa poured further alkaline on the situation by calling on their most experienced, yet increasingly outspoken player, Jacques Kallis, to field the questions two days before the Lord's Test.

If Kallis seems to be taking it lightly, it may be because he has been through much more. Kallis has lived through the match fixing saga under Hansie Cronje, World Cup chokes and most recently, seeing his closest team-mate, Mark Boucher, suffer a career-ending injury.

In that time, he has gone from being the player who talked like he would rather be eating his own foot than addressing the press to someone who has enjoyed sharing his opinion. In New Zealand in March, Kallis launched an almost unprompted attack on the Decision Review System, speaking in an unusually candid way about ball-tracking technology. When this tour started in unfortunate circumstances, he was at Graeme Smith's side when Boucher's retirement statement was read and matter-of-factly announced that the incident served as a reminder that it was "not about cricket anymore, it is about a mate".

This time, the Kallis tonic was again served when Pietersen, texting, and the breaking down of boundaries between players of different countries because of twenty-over leagues came up for discussion. South Africa's defence against receiving messages that allegedly contained unflattering details about the England dressing-room, is that such content was never shared. Team manager Mohammed Moosajee said the communication was only "friendly banter" between players who had formed relationships at the IPL.

Kallis has not been linked to the messages but would have come into contact with Pietersen and many other players on his travels and said there is nothing unusual about striking up friendships. "You keep in contact with a few guys that you wouldn't have before the IPL because you're now team mates," he explained. "You congratulate guys when they do well and keep in touch. It has changed how international players look at each other but that's just off the field, on the field it's back to business."

His answer was tempered with a warning about the extent of communication that players should have during an international series. "You have got to be careful about just what you send and if you do send messages keep it pretty much to a mate of yours," Kallis said.

"If a guy does well and you want to send him a message the guys will do that especially if you're watching on TV. You have to be a little more careful during series you're playing against each other but even then, you know, I think we've moved on from those days when the guys didn't have any contact with each other."

There was an implication in Kallis' answer: that players should choose their words more carefully, something he has done himself. When Kallis was asked if he followed the KP-parody account, he admitted he did not but said he would not be too concerned if there was a fake feed created for him, because it already exists. "I think there are one or two, before I joined I was already on there. I don't know too much about Twitter."

That much is true. Kallis refused to join Twitter until the June 7 this year, when he posted a message saying he had "given in" and signed up. He has posted 69 tweets, almost all of them to do with sport.

There are four accounts which use Kallis' name and one of them, @JQKALLIS, passed as a reasonable enough impression of the man himself to attract a high number of followers, in excess of 6,000. When Kallis was told about it, in June last year, he laughed it off. None of the accounts have ever posted damaging messages about Kallis. Keeping his communication with the Twitter-verse limited has probably saved Kallis a lot of hardship and he does not intend to change that.

Despite the problems it has caused for Pietersen, Kallis thinks the ECB and Pietersen "will sort it out because he is too good a player to be kept out of the international scene." None of that can happen by the time the Lord's Test starts though and Pietersen's absence could play into South Africa's hands.

Kallis said South Africa will not view it that way, even though AB de Villiers admitted at a function at South Africa House on Monday night that the bowlers would be pleased not to have to bowl at Pietersen in this match. Kallis maintained the team stance that "we don't focus on the opposition," because it was something they did too much in the past.

He expects England to feel Pietersen's absence, though. "He's a world class player. Any time he's not in your side it does make a big difference. I think they're going to miss his experience for sure but cricket's not a one man sport. There are 11 guys who can take a Test match away from us. We're certainly not preparing in any other way than we would do if he was playing. It is a big loss for England."

Experience means a lot to Kallis - he cited it as the biggest factor in South Africa's string of successes away from home and the one thing he thinks can contribute to them taking the No.1 ranking off England in less than a week's time.

"The guys are maturing and learning a lot from the way we're doing things. Hopefully the experiences we've had in the past, the guys will be able to tap into and pull us through and bring it out in this Test match," he said.

"It is a mature side and experienced side who know exactly what their roles are and exactly how to go about their business. That does make life a lot easier. Knowing how to go about your business which is different than having a young side who don't."
Sauce
 

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I am utterly unconvinced that England get it, however. I think their handling of the situation hasn't been right. KP might be a giant douche, but the fact that the media knew anything about this saga from when it began was not because of others leaking it, not him, but he seems to be copping all the punishment. His press conference was very unfortunate. The text messages I really don't think were a big deal at all, but for some reason the ECB thought it appropriate to turn them into one. There does appear to be some disharmony in the England dressing room, but I do not think that KP is the sole cause of it. I don't think that parody account was a big deal at all, but I also don't believe that England players were not involved, particularly Stuart Broad who I think has an attitude problem which affects the team on the field, even though he denied being involved in that account - which he would have felt he had to - I don't believe him. Also, when he talks , he comes across as a giant douche. In this statement I hear one thing being said loud and clear by Broad "I am friends with people KP is not friends with". I know that the British papers exacerbate these sorts of things, but I think that the ECB is acting in a very interesting way indeed. Whilst KP did plenty wrong, he isn't the one who caused the big problem here, he just wanted to try to negotiate a contract in way which suited him. Everybody asks for things in contract negotiations, but his doing so resulted in this circus. The things he has come out and said publicly haven't helped him. Without knowing everything, it is still clear that both parties are handling things badly and omitting KP hurts the England side.
 

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lolgiantdouche.jpg
 

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http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-south-africa-2012/content/story/577389.html?CMP=chrome

Posted by Jonathan Jono Lane on (August 15 2012, 07:53 AM GMT)
KP rarely makes a match winning contribution, but often fails to contribute when a match changing innings is required from him. England's success has been down to a bowling attack that has usually performed well enough to take 20 wickets and a batting line up in which Cook and Trott and more recently Prior have formed the backbone of the innings. England's improvement over the last few years has been despite the presence of KP not because of it. Bye bye KP! Go and cry somewhere else.
 

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Without KP both with bat and ball, the second test would have been a big loss for England, just because KP doesn't always produce doesn't mean he's not an important member of the squad. None of the members of the England squad consistently produce on all terrains. I think the fact that KP is so easy to dislike makes it easy for people to say things like that, but they are bollocks
 

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KP is KP..

We have a shocking record against the poms with the big Seth Efrikan in their side..

I'll be stoked if he isn't there for the next ashes..

As i'm sure Seth Efrikan fans are just as happy he's missing from this test..

The guy is a tool (or a giant douche) but he can bat..
 

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exactly, and anyone in England is stupid to actually not want him there or think it's good not having him.

All over text messages he sent to friends who happened to play for the opposition. Before this test series started, Steyn was misquoted as having said that KP would not make it into the South African side, he made a complaint on Twitter about being misquoted which led to this interaction between he and KP
Kevin Pietersen said:
RT @DaleSteyn62: I love how I get miss quoted! Its ok buddy.. Couple freebies to get me going next week & I'll forgive you! Haha
Dale Steyn said:
@kevinpp24 Haha! A couple short and wide should do the trick! Haha! See u next week!

Did CSA care or notice (even though that comment was made publicly and was actually about games to be played)? No, because they are not stupid and reprimanding one of your best players in a way which hurts your team for making a joke with a friend of his who happens to play for the opposition is stupid.
 

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exactly, and anyone in England is stupid to actually not want him there or think it's good not having him.

All over text messages he sent to friends who happened to play for the opposition. Before this test series started, Steyn was misquoted as having said that KP would not make it into the South African side, he made a complaint on Twitter about being misquoted which led to this interaction between he and KP
Kevin Pietersen said:
RT @DaleSteyn62: I love how I get miss quoted! Its ok buddy.. Couple freebies to get me going next week & I'll forgive you! Haha
Dale Steyn said:
@kevinpp24 Haha! A couple short and wide should do the trick! Haha! See u next week!

Did CSA care or notice (even though that comment was made publicly and was actually about games to be played)? No, because they are not stupid and reprimanding one of your best players in a way which hurts your team for making a joke with a friend of his who happens to play for the opposition is stupid.
 

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this is amazing, both captains speaking about this issue on the same day. It is amazing for the differences and the bs from the ecb which is clearly highlighted by what Straussy does say here coupled with what the ECB have said re the naming of the side for this test match
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19266117

and here is Graeme Smith, who despite his douchery makes a range of valid points and shows the stark contrast between how the sides are sitting coming into this match. His comments here are a little bit funny because he is now the most capped test captain, he equalled AB in the last test and no one seemed to notice or pay any heed to it. In this test he will surpass AB and become the single most capped test captain and still all that is really being talked about is KP and now he won't even be playing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19270724
 

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South Africa won the toss and elected to bat first

South Africa
Graeme Smith (captain), Alviro Petersen, Hashim Amla, Jacques Kallis, AB de Villiers (keeper), Jacques Rudolph, JP Duminy, Vernon Philander, Dale Steyn, Morne Morkel, Imran Tahir

England
Andrew Strauss (captain), Alastair Cook, Jonathan Trott, Jonny Bairstow, Ian Bell, James Taylor, Matt Prior (keeper), Graeme Swann, Stuart Broad, James Anderson, Stephen Finn.
 

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