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4 Nations 2014

roughyedspud

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surprised no one has posted this...but league express ran a piece containing englands "provisional dates" for the comp..


25th oct v fiji or samoa as part of a double header with OZ v NZ at eden park,auckland

1st nov v australia at aami park,melbourne

8th nov v NZ at either auckland or wellington (id guess wellington)

15th nov final at suncorp,brisbane


id imagine the fiji/samoa v australia & fiji/samoa v NZ would be in sdyney & newcastle?


thoughts?
 

Springs

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Well that's kinda just the same grounds as 2010. Pretty boring if true.

NZ's game against Fiji/Samoa will be in NZ surely.
 

mattystans000

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Any provisional dates for the other games? Definitely gonna have taking some leave to go down to Melbourne in November on my mind now at least! Cheers.
 

roughyedspud

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the fixtures are better....england v NZ has to be last as it'll be a winner takes all....that was'nt the case back in 2010...the last round was a completely dead round...
 

roughyedspud

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Any provisional dates for the other games? Definitely gonna have taking some leave to go down to Melbourne in November on my mind now at least! Cheers.

nope...just have to make a educated guess...

round1 25th oct

round 2 1st/2nd nov

round 3 8th/9th nov

final 15th


i suspect the dates will be officially announced at the next RLIF meeting towards the end of feb?
 

mattystans000

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Yeah true. Guessing that Sydney will host the Aus v Fij/Sam game, like the PNG game at Parra in 2010, maybe same venue again even... A better stadium (or rather a better internationally supportive Sydney crowd deserving of a better stadium to host it) would be, well, better. One can hope a trip to the SFS will be in order.
 

roughyedspud

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just priced up a 3 week trip starting in melbourne,sydney then brisbane for the final....best get saving lol
 

Springs

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the fixtures are better....england v NZ has to be last as it'll be a winner takes all....that was'nt the case back in 2010...the last round was a completely dead round...

So you're expecting Australia to win all 3 games then?

Would like to see England play somewhere other than Melbourne for once.
 

roughyedspud

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So you're expecting Australia to win all 3 games then?

good point.....erm im not sure,australia are entering into a transition stage...retirements and injuryies could have a big impact imo...


and i hazard a guess that the VIC government pays top dollar to have a england v australia test days before the melbourne cup..
 

Bronco Rob

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If it works out to be Fiji being the 4th team, I would love to see their match with NZ or Aust played in Suva. How much would this give the game a boost in Fiji? Even with the extra costs surely the RLIF can see the forest for the trees with this proposition as a full house of 15k in Suva would be better for the game than a 12k crowd in Parramatta Stadium! Add in a few days of clinics run by the test players in townships would help the game enormously and I'm sure the players would love it.
 

Bronco Rob

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Actually I just checked and the national stadium in Suva has a capacity of 30k which we'd be hard-pressed to match if the game was staged in Oz or NZ.
 

CC_Roosters

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If a fiji game is not played in suva then it really is going to be more of the same lack of development outside Aus and NZ for the next four years.
 

deluded pom?

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Actually I just checked and the national stadium in Suva has a capacity of 30k which we'd be hard-pressed to match if the game was staged in Oz or NZ.

Good call Rob. The same match in Australia wouldn't get anywhere near 30,000 no matter where it was played. We have you take a chance sometime and if Fiji get there then this is a golden opportunity.
 

deluded pom?

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good point.....erm im not sure,australia are entering into a transition stage...retirements and injuryies could have a big impact imo...

Didn't you say the same thing prior to the WC 'spud? Do Australia do transitions? They just seem to churn out world class players, especially in the main positions, year on year with barely a hiccup on the field.
 

RHCP

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Didn't you say the same thing prior to the WC 'spud? Do Australia do transitions? They just seem to churn out world class players, especially in the main positions, year on year with barely a hiccup on the field.
I agree. Transitioning from Cooper Cronk to DCE, Brent Tate to Michael Jennings, James Tamou to Andrew Fifita...

Even in a so-called transitional period Australia will have an extremely strong side.
 

roughyedspud

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no i actually said the WC was their last as nailed on favourites for anything and i would'nt be surprised if NZ & ENG swapped the next couple of 4nations comps...
 

deluded pom?

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no i actually said the WC was their last as nailed on favourites for anything and i would'nt be surprised if NZ & ENG swapped the next couple of 4nations comps...
That's a big call 'spud seeing as Australia will be at home this year. Will you be having a few of your Lancashire big white fivers on them not winning the 4N?
 

The Great Dane

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no i actually said the WC was their last as nailed on favourites for anything and i would'nt be surprised if NZ & ENG swapped the next couple of 4nations comps...

I think you've got a case of wishful thinking.

In every position we have a more then adequate replacement, as RHCP said
Transitioning from Cooper Cronk to DCE, Brent Tate to Michael Jennings, James Tamou to Andrew Fifita...

Every generation some people have claimed that the next generation of Kangaroos won't be able to compete at the same level as the last generation of Kangaroos, and every time those people (including myself at one point) have been wrong.

When the Kangaroos are finally knocked off their perch at the top of the RL mountain it wont be because the new generation is unable to live up to the lasts standard, it'll be because another nations team (ironically most likely all developed in Australia) will simply become stronger and more creative then the Kangaroos.
 

roughyedspud

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adequate replacements yes...but the biggest factor will be the all important spine who will all play for different clubs..even different states....

anyway we'll see....its way too early to get into team selection....thats sept/oct talk lol



ps just a quick one....can players retire from international yet still play origin?
 

The Great Dane

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adequate replacements yes...but the biggest factor will be the all important spine who will all play for different clubs..even different states....

Ahh so what!

Most of the players will have played together or know each others style enough that after a few games they'll start to fall into each others patterns as if they've been playing on the same team for years.

Though it helps that Smith, JT, Slater, CC, etc all have heaps of experience playing together, it's really not a game breaker if the players have less experience playing with each other.

Besides, the Kangaroos spine has been constantly changing during their international careers, Johns, Karmichael Hunt, Lockyer, Buderus, Brett Stewart, Bird, etc have all been in the spine at one time or another in the same time that they have been in and out of the spine and it hasn't seemed to have caused the Kangaroos to much harm (if any at all).

anyway we'll see....its way too early to get into team selection....thats sept/oct talk lol

Injures allowing the spine will be almost exactly the same as it has been for last couple of years, but undoubtedly GI will get a couple of games at fullback and DCE will probably get a run as well at some point.

England isn't much harder to predict in the spine either, I'd bet that injures permitting Sinfield, Tomkins, Roby and Widdop will be Englands spine come the Four nations, unless that joker that you lot call a coach still hasn't learnt a lesson and plays Rangi bloody Chase again :lol:. I mean good god Chase couldn't even get a starting position with the Wyong Roos.

Personally if I was McNamara I'd be begging Brough to come back to play for England to replace Sinfield, but I can't see that happening.

ps just a quick one....can players retire from international yet still play origin?

I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure that if you retire from representative honors you retire from all representative honors. But as I said I'm not certain.
 

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