99% of stats are made up and awesomeness

[newman]

The sharks in 2012:

- Are first in line breaks
- Are first in tackle busts
- Are first in offloads
- Are first in metres
- Have the least missed tackles
- Have the second highest error count.

We've also just played two premiership favourites.


Before you reply, think about this. I know that the only stat that matters is that we are 0/2. I know that the club has a history of accepting mediocrity.

What I want to talk about is how on earth you change our rusted on losing culture. Anyone who knows anything about managing will tell you that absolutely toughest thing you can do is change the culture of an organisation, and most managers fail at it. Its pretty clear that we know how to lose. Logically, to change that you take steps to improve in all areas and the results should follow. Sadly, logic doesnt rule in this caper. Heaven knows how you turn the mentality of this place around. I wish Flano and his team luck, cause their gonna need it (and so far they aint getting it).

In other news, #1 sharks supporter Dave Faulkner is curating a music festival the likes of which have not been seen before and wont be again. Bubz, Miller etc you in? BIRDMAN! HARD ONS! 5,6,7,8 THE MOFO SONICS!

In other music news, I will be hitting my acoustic guitar strings really hard, struggling to make basic chord shapes and shouting into a microphone at the Brass Monkey tonight at 8 oclock if you got nothing to do. I will be supporting this guy: He has to be seen to be believed.

 

[carcharias]

red kross are my vintage.
this would be sweet.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

0-2

stats are for losers.

change the culture?

hire non cronulla people.

 

[newman]

change the culture?

hire non cronulla people.

Like Ricky Stuart, Trent Barrett, Brett Kimmorley, Peter Sharp, Tony Zappia and Chris Anderson?

 

[Windy70]

I guess the Culture changes when we start winning consistently and start having a real crack at the big one. I also guess we start winning when the culture changes

soooooooo.....yea. We're probably screwed.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Like Ricky Stuart, Trent Barrett, Brett Kimmorley, Peter Sharp, Tony Zappia and Chris Anderson?

who hired those guys?

 

[newman]

You tell me.

You got anything enlightening, interesting or even funny to add RCB?

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Well they were all basically hired by the same people.

Bazza. Sludge..all them blokes. Cronulla people.

these cronulla people, to a man are good people. they love the club. im sure they are fully committed to achieving what they want.
however they dont go above and beyond what it takes to win in this league.
theres a sense to me that the sharks are alwyas looking for peoples approval. the dogs dont aks for approval. they do. and sometimes they get burned. but they have 8 premierships or whatever, so...why should they give a f**k what anyone thinks?

Anderson came in at the time and said that the place had a loser culture and he was to change it.
now he ultimately failed in his quest and was fired, but he wasnt incorrect. he came from winners. his methodology and approach to the task was fundamentally flawed but he was not incorrect in his assessment of the club as a whole

him.


i dont have the exact qoute but i think it was frenzy or something said that even through the junior leagues the shire teams lose when it counts. only a couple of times won the young grades etc.

so theres something in that. i dont know what but it is what it is. the shire loses.

Ricky Stuart was a premiership winner at canberra
a premiership winner at the dogs in the lower grades.
a premiership winner at the roosters and made grand finals.

now, you could say "yeah but he had this and he had that"

does not change the fact that he won at those clubs. he's a winner. at the sharks..he lost. 12 games in a row wasnt it at one point? the year before they went really close. but ultimately not good enough.

It seems to me that part of the problem is financial. you need money to build and become powerfull. bulldogs and broncos have money.

however its not all money.

Manly, to me dont have all that much cash at hand. they are privately owned but they are always on that fringe of a bad situation money wise. but because they ALWAYS win. they always win. their players always lift. they always get the new guns coming through. they always have a strong team. they have the history of expecting and demanding winning. i dont think cronulla fans demand or expect as much on the whole. they want to win. but they do not demand it.

i would offer this as a suggestion.
if the development is infact succesful that could be the first swing back in our favour in a long time.
i would suggest that should the club get out of this financial hole they are in, then there should be a fresh search for a genuine CEO for the football club, a total review of operations (not the lip service one they did to fire stuart raper)and a new strategic plan put in place for the future (the next 10 years) and if it comes to it the top people Irvive for exampl, other board members who have beeen there a while to stand aside perhaps for someone of stronger business accumen to take control of the club. That or, they hire somebody to be the Group CEO of the whole shebangebang and havve that position hold more power than the chairman ofthe board.

this is not to say i do not appreciate what the current admin is doing. however it is my opinion that they are just getting by and are most likely out of their depth in a league that is only going to continue to be more professional. The league is in a transitional period now with the new IC.

it is my fear, that whilst clubs like brisbane, canterbury and the warriors (the sky city guy just invested in em) continue to grow off the field and strengthen their ties to business and success..teams like the sharks will fall too far behind. and in 5 years we will be far down the table.
other than that....

maybe we should look into covering all bases and getting one of them witch doctors that john safran met to do a ceremony at shark park to lift whatever curse is on the place.

 

[Plastered]

Tells me that we are crap at finishing off line breaks. The most frustrating aspect of our game IMO.

 

[Vin Fizz]

FLUFF ALERT: Lots of ways to change the culture Newm. Believe me I work in a field where a toxic culture is/was ingrained. I was involved with a change program that had some success. It all starts at the roots though. People prepared to take the role as a catalyst for change , bury their frustration and bring the heavy hitters in the club up what’s known as a “commitment curve”. You do that by your own commitment and getting skin the game. Yeah fluff I know but very very powerful. Google “Scarf Response”. How do we do it? Commit and get others to follow. This Forum probably has some influence, but I reckon you might already know that thoughJ. People shouldn’t think you can’t help from afar. I mean who knows one of the forum members could even end up being a chairman!!;-)

 

[Vin Fizz]

Tells me that we are crap at finishing off line breaks. The most frustrating aspect of our game IMO.

Bloody oath. Watched the Storm on the highlighst last night. They made line breaks as we do but they f**ken converted almost all of em! Pace, good lines, quality.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

well its all part of it.

i dont think the club believes it can win things. so the players dont. and so they drop it with the line open.

melbourne believes it will win ever game it plays. and so it wins most of em.

same with brisbane. they believe they will win and demand it.

the sharks hope they can win.

 

[Vin Fizz]

Withya RCB. Agree 100%. As I said in another thread get all the little things right everywhere and the players will be less accepting of mediocrity because poor performance reflects on the club in total not just on the field. Start NOW!

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

heres another thing

in our own club song. theres a line that says "go out and play without fear"

i think there is a sense of fear across the ground when they run out.

the fans fear a bad performance. the players fear a bad performance..or doubt themselves. and as a result they play tight, lose and play like shit.

theres also a line that says "if you wnat to see good football"

there hasnt been consistantly good football played at cronulla since 2002. only flashes in a sea of tedium.

 

[Miller Lite]

the sharks hope they can win.

^^

In a nutshell.

 

[Vin Fizz]

Ok ill have a go . Here are some facts....WE have won the u20's, reserve grade, Amco Cup, Pre season trophies and been minor premiers at least a couple of times (held the Giltanen Sheild i beleive). Since we established we have been in the finals often, played in 3 grand finals, we have been club champions, we contribute to the Australian Side, we have an Immortale and the current International Player of the Year and Blues captain plays and bleeds for us. The past years previous Dally M medalist is our 5/8th this weekend. These arent the charactersistics of losers. We own our own ground and should events transpire well will become one of the wealthy clubs. The supporters and members are the most loyal group in the NRL. The ONLY thing missing is that which we covert the most. So...the challenge is how do we transfer our successes into the big one?

 

[SadShark]

I'll assume we set no goals & I'll also assume there's no accountability.

Easy club to be at ain't it?

 

[Card Shark]

heres another thing

in our own club song. theres a line that says "go out and play without fear"

i think there is a sense of fear across the ground when they run out.

the fans fear a bad performance. the players fear a bad performance..or doubt themselves. and as a result they play tight, lose and play like shit.

theres also a line that says "if you wnat to see good football"

there hasnt been consistantly good football played at cronulla since 2002. only flashes in a sea of tedium.

What do we do Vin - I think RCB has hit the nail on the head.

Let's look at who we are & what we stand for & start playing like we "preach" we will in that wonderful tune.

 

[SharkShocked]

I would love to know what you guys define as it starts at the roots...

What are the roots in this case?

The support staff cutting the grass? Lining the chalk? The chick behind the desk at reception?

I know everyone says we have a losing culture because we have had quite a long drought, not only never winning a premiership but a few lean years of recent times and some shocking losing streaks. But for the life of me i can't believe that for any moment professional coaches, players or support staff have the opinion "i hope we win tonight". And it's not like the bloke pulling beers or the pokie attendants opinion bloody matters.

Financial pressures obviously make it hard for us to recruit the best players, administrators, trainers all of that jazz... but for me... if there was even the smallest hint of 'we can't do well this year' then those people should be weeded out and put on the heap pile.

Every single team in the competition should have one goal every year...win the f**kn thing. If players are signing up with us and expecting a holiday or expecting the fans to appreciate losses. Then that needs to be seriously addressed.

I don't care how bad your lineup get's rated by some nuffies on a forum or by some bigger nuffie like Daley in his 'reverse ladder'... you have to believe every game and every year that you can win the competition.... otherwise why else f**kn play?

If any of our support staff, administrators or anyone involved in any important capacity at the club thinks otherwise.... get rid of them.

So i ask you all.... what roots are the problem, because to me, it just sounds like another cliche with no meaning, no obviously physical presence and another excuse.

 

[Vin Fizz]

SS. You're the Roots matey. What are you going to do about it?