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A Simpler Suspension system

Jason Maher

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Lol@derplanders making shit up. It was a good shot by Graham. It only contacted Captain Sook's head because he fell over.
 

Nightward

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No, Grade 1 is fine.
I don't think Grade 1s should be worth suspensions straight up, and the carry over points and previous loadings are a double dip that often ensures they are.

1 of the 3 members of the judiciary didn't think it was worth a charge.
The charge (75 pts) without loading and carry over points isn't worth a week.

And they're blatantly wrong. They deliberately graded it as low as possible because of the value placed on an Origin appearance and knew even one week out would cost him that. It happens before Origin or after, he gets 2-3 weeks depending on how sensible the MRC and Judiciary feel like being that day.

2 weeks would satisfy me regardless of when it happens in the season. That seems fair for both the offence and to establish deterrence against any other player committing the same act.

Did you even read Adams post or were your eyes so full of tears because JT was the victim?

It doesn't matter who got hit like that. It only being given Grade 1 under the current system is a farce, and the notion it shouldn't even have been given a grading that high is beyond laughable.

A player deliberately hung an arm out to hit an opposing player high. That's Grade 2 territory minimum, not a reason to overhaul the system completely to ensure that a player selectors want for a rep team gets in.

All Wade Graham had to do was not go head-hunting. Then there wouldn't have even been a problem to start with. The onus is on him to avoid foul play, not on the NRL to change the rules to enable foul play to occur without impact on their career.

Hell, what happens next, the coaches whinging that someone who pile-drives a player in Round 25 gets eight weeks off and it takes them out of appearing in the finals series? You know that's exactly what would happen next.

Graham was lucky enough to get a low grading that wouldn't stop him from appearing in Origin 3 due to the time he'd take out preventing him from maintaining match readiness.
 

adamkungl

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So the MRC low graded a deliberate high tackle to get him off Origin then suspended him anyway?
Obviously there's been a lack of communication in the NSW rats and filth, can't even conspiracy properly :lol:
 

Caped Crusader

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Do you actually have eyes Nightward? JT was slipping over and Graham caught him high because of that

If hed stayed on his feet he cops the shot across the chest and noone is talking about anything but what a great hit Graham put on, simple as that

The fact you suggest he "deliberately" went high on JT, despite no evidence as to Grahams mindset, is clear evidence of your emotive response to a big name player in your team wearing a shot.
 

Nightward

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So the MRC low graded a deliberate high tackle to get him off Origin then suspended him anyway?

They graded it low because it was obviously an illegal play and had to do something. Even doing something weak is doing something.

Suspending him for just one week takes him out of Origin 2 and still gives him a chance to get back and play more games to get into Origin 3. A fairer grading takes him out of Origin 2 and very probably denies him a chance to make Origin 3.

Obviously there's been a lack of communication in the NSW rats and filth, can't even conspiracy properly :lol:

No conspiracy involved on the NSW level, just the usual nonsense about it being unfair for suspensions earned at the NRL level to apply to major games in the NRL and/or Origin and International games. Regardless of what state or country is doing the whinging in the media, they can shut their mouths because the system is already set up to consider those more valuable and adjusts suspensions accordingly rather than applying consistent, fair rulings.

Like I say, any other time of year he gets 2-3 weeks for that. But it was going to cost him an Origin jersey so they only gave him one.

Do you actually have eyes Nightward? JT was slipping over and Graham caught him high because of that

Graham caught him high because he had a swinging arm. Poor technique is arguable but lacks a track record. More likely the act was deliberate to try and hurt or at least rattle the opposing team's most valuable player and make it easier to win the match.

If hed stayed on his feet he cops the shot across the chest and noone is talking about anything but what a great hit Graham put on, simple as that

More likely Graham alters his point of aim and the hit is even more blatant, receives little to no reaction from the referees because they let too much of that go, and we wind up here any way with even less fig-leaf justification for an illegal play.

The fact you suggest he "deliberately" went high on JT, despite no evidence as to Grahams mindset, is clear evidence of your emotive response to a big name player in your team wearing a shot.

Not a Cowboys supporter.

And no, not being an NSW supporter doesn't factor into things either. I just want a consistent system of grading and suspensions from the MRC and Judiciary.

Or need I remind you how we had a player grab a ref's shirt and argue with him over a call in one game and another player make accidental contact with a ref in another, but it was the accidental contact that was punished since he should have been more mindful of their presence and the message needed to be sent to all players but collaring an official and having a go at them is acceptable as long as you're a rep-level player and/or wearing the right jersey?
 

Jason Maher

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Graham changed his position in a split second when JT fell to make sure the swinging arm didn't fly harmlessly over his head? Is that legit what you're suggesting? Wow, you're dumber than I thought.
 

lockyno1

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I know we hate to copy the AFL but they have a "fine" system for minor offences. 3 offences in a season is an automatic 1 match ban.
 

Caped Crusader

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Haha wow Nightwad, you still carry on like you some how know Grahams intent

Of course he was aiming to rattle JT, its clear he was looking to put a shot on. Its a forwards job. Still doesnt suggest he was looking to hit him high though.

Please stop pretending that its not the fact JT is a Qlder driving this BS. No way you care so much if it was Myles hitting Maloney in the same way
 

TheVelourFog

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Absolutely hate all the bullshit when players might miss an "important" game. Tough.

And other players/coaches coming out and having their say is counter-productive and frankly embarrassing. They should be fined for attempting to sway the MRC. Typical Amatuer Hour stuff from the NRL.

Other than that agree with the rest of the OP, sounds good
 

lockyno1

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Simple solution don't aim at his head in the first place! Aim at his belly- gives you more margin for error.
 

Nightward

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Please stop pretending that its not the fact JT is a Qlder driving this BS. No way you care so much if it was Myles hitting Maloney in the same way

I wouldn't care at all if the outcome was the same before, during, or after Origin. Nor would I care if the rule and grading was consistently, sensibly applied.

Until about two weeks before Origin 1 and as soon as Origin 3 ends, those tackles are worth 2-3 weeks.

But because it's Origin, and especially because of how badly NSW has been going and how important Wade Graham could be for them in this series, it's a big problem and Origin games shouldn't be effected and if you have a problem with illegal tackles it's only because you're a Queenslander/NQC fan.

Yeah, whatever. Go Tweet your support for Daley's comments or whatever, I'm out.
 

AJB1102

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Until about two weeks before Origin 1 and as soon as Origin 3 ends, those tackles are worth 2-3 weeks.

Exactly why Marty Taupau got 5 weeks for knocking Jack Bird out cold back in round 3 :crazy:

2-3 weeks for a slap in the gob :lol: give yourself an uppercut worthy of 12 weeks dickhead.
 

forby

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What would everybody being saying if the tackle was reversed and JT hit Wade Graham high in the tackle?
Blues supporters would have no problems with the system, and Maroons would be crying.
Regardless of who was involved JT got hit high and the player responsible paid the penalty.
It should make no difference whether SOO is involved. If Wade wasn't selected he would be sitting out the Sharks next game and nobody would care less!
 

txta2

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Yeah it was high but it wasn't intentional, the current system is a joke and misses this point. So the real grubs like Taupau and Brown should be the ones being rubbed out.
 

Bronxnation

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Yeah it was high but it wasn't intentional, the current system is a joke and misses this point. So the real grubs like Taupau and Brown should be the ones being rubbed out.

.... That's why it was graded as a careless.... Still hit him high... Can't do it. Intentional or not
 

Card Shark

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Can't agree with a fine system, the head must be protected. Players will become careless. The more they earn (bigger name they are), the more careless they can be.. It's not an even punishment for the same offence imo.

Streamline the grading system to 10 levels of high tackle - careless & deliberate 1 to 5.

To miss a SOO game, need to have accumulated 200 points, 250 for a grand final (rarer) & 150 for other finals. When they come back to a club game & they are still over the 100 points, they miss the next game.

Missing the big games should deduct more points off their tally as above.
 

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