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AFL 2005 - Round 12

CyberKev

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Is it 2006 yet? Another midway point of the season and another dose of 'also-ran's lament' ](*,) Oh well, whilst reduced to viewing the season from a perspective that ostensibly removes one's own side from the picture entirely, at least I can see that we're undergoing as interesting a season as I've seen for some time.

The Kangaroos would've been rapt to get that win up. That being said, my preseason suggestion that the side was locked-in a disturbing holding pattern has well and truly been borne out. Indications are that the Roos will finish anywhere between 7-10 and I'd be expecting another finish of around 9 or 10. The club lacks impact and genuine improvement power, and its only a matter of time before the ladder forces inherent in the contemporary code overwhelm it.

The Tigers will rightly rue the loss and Terry Wallace was rightly lamenting his side's ineffective finsihing in the media. The loss of Nathan Brown hit home hard yesterday and will continue to hurt for the remainder of the year. Brown aside, I sense a lowering of confidence in the side and if Wallace isn't careful this could quickly degenerate in full-on negative momentum. Its far from a "razor blades @ dusk" scenario for the side yet, however, and we'll watch them closely over the next few weeks.

Both the Tigers and the Roos can ill-afford to falter with Brisbane & Port showing clear signs of a major resurgence, and with an indifferent Freo side likely to come home far stronger. I'm still not sold on Collingwood yet, but a win this afternoon will only increase the anxiety among the more fragile sides currently positioned in the eight.

Geelong remains a genuine flag contender, but will need to lift markedly in future weeks. Adelaide played a wonderful game in the conditions at Skilled Stadium and came within a poofteenth of getting the points in a war of attrition against a Cat outfit with its back to the wall (and subsequently at its most dangerous). The Crows remain the most intriguing side in this competition. Preseason you would have been hard pressed finding a handful of punters willing to position the Crows anywhere other than the bottom four for 2005, but the much maligned Craig has been little short of a revelation in the manner that he has transformed the team. If anything, the side can consider itself unlucky not to be sharing the lead with West Coast, given that they've had a couple of tight and unlucky losses.

West Coast is clearly the talk of the comp and its ever arrogant and obnoxious supporter base are all over the football websites claiming the premiership in June. As far as I'm concerned it's sh*t for sale with the Eagles and I'm just not buying. The revised finals draw may play into the clubs hands as it seeks a soft road to the GF, but while they may well get there, I still think they're a thrashing waiting to be implemented.

St Kilda has been disappointing this season, but given the level of manpower the side has been missing each week, this shouldn't come as a surprise. The tight nature of the competition plays into the Saints hands though, and I expect to see the club dangerously poised in the top four come season's end.

Sydney? Pfft! Another ordinary side caught in an ongoing holding pattern, look elsewhere.

At the other end of the table, The hapless Hounds look for all the world like a 13th placed side and will be hard pressed avoiding the ignominy of a fourth successive bottom four finish! The bottom three is effectively settled 10 weeks out, with the remaining rounds likely to do little more than finalise the finishing order.

Essendon will probably find enough to avoid the priority pick zone with a 14th place finish, but that will probably be as much as they are capable of this year.

Predictably, Hawthorn's early promise is fading faster than the dashboard of some mull head's Datsun 180B in the harsh glare of the northern coastal sunshine! Even the Peter Schwab All-HBF sides of yore couldn't have looked any more impotent than the Hawk outfit of the past fortnight! Supporter patience was always going to be sorely tested by the Clarkson long-term overhaul approach, and given whats' sure to be in store for the week's ahead, I can but give thanks for St George-Illawarra's surging NRL fortunes.

Its utterly ludicrous to even contemplate a round 22 ladder that won't find Hawthorn anchored to 16th spot, but Carlton is the favourite for this dishonour, which speaks volumes for the unholy mess the once proud Blues find themselves in! Another loss, belted by Brisbane, Fevola injured, several players facing suspension... The club doesn't look like it could buy a win even if it had the money to do so!

Both the Hawks and Blues need 3 wins to escape the priority pick zone and I'm buggered if I can see either of them making it! One side has to get a win when they play each other, but other than that...
 

meltiger

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Pathetic, disgraceful, a sub-standard performance not worthy of a place in Australian Rules highest level

That's the clown Tivendale out of the way... Now the rest of the side...

Pathetic, a sh*t team, dud coach, were outnumbered 5-1 (at least) in the stands at their own home game and we made them look like f'ing superstars.

At the end of the day though, as good as they looked in the second half of the third and early in the last appeared to be ... We had 30 shots on goal to 24.

Turn 10.20 into 20.10 and we win. Not the end of the world, devestating result it appears to be on the surface. If we had of kicked even 4.4 in the first quarter (Rather than 2.6 we would have won)
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West Coast - I am finding this whole West Coast love in that the media are participating in quite hillarious.

Their so-called 'superstar midfield' are a bunch of show pony run with players, in the last two weeks when Richmond and Essendon have turned up the heat and applied pressure they have crumbled. They may have snuck over the line thanks to that little rodent Matera but I can promise you, Geelong's midfield for one will carve them in half come September and finals pressure.

West Coast will not win the premiership.
 

camsmith

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Meltiger, pretty much my thoughts.


Its hard to think how Tiva gets so many games for us when he continues to turn the ball over week after week. Put me in the side ffs.

I have a big decision to make next week, do i go to the Storm v Panthers or the Tigers v Adelaide game as they are both on Saturday night..........................


hmmmmmmmmmmm... thinking...... Richmond not playing after this w/e might make me swing towards going to see them... but i guess ill give it a few more days thought.
 

JTR

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The Dees are looking great this season! :D

Not happy about the 5 days break between yesterdays game & West Coast on Saturday, but meh! We can take 'em!
 

camsmith

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pfft all teams have a tough break like that at some stage..

Im hoping for a draw between the Dees and W.Coast.. both lot of fans are pissing me off enough as it is.. if one of the teams wins this weekend... then bloody hell... ill have to walk around with cotton in me ears..............




PLLLLLLLLEASE DRAW.
 

CyberKev

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camsmith said:
pfft all teams have a tough break like that at some stage..

This will be the third occasion this season that a side has had to come off a five day break. Both previous sides to do so (Bulldogs & Essendon) were both beaten by Melbourne & Brisbane respectively. I'd like to see some long term figures on how sides have performed coming off a five-day break.


camsmith said:
PLLLLLLLLEASE DRAW.

Nah, give me a Melbourne win over this mob any day of the week.
 

CyberKev

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Hmmm... Hawthorn Assistant Coach, Todd Viney is certainly not one for pushing the usual "Yeah, nah" uncontroversial views...

Todd Viney said:
Saturday was the first game for the year in which Mark Williams struggled. Of course, I can't comment directly on the umpires' interpretation of some of the tactics employed against 'Willo' by the Saints, but friends of mine at the game noticed that similar tactics that we employed on a couple of high-profile St Kilda forwards down the other end, were on the receiving end of different interpretations by the men in charge.

LOL! "Friends of mine at the game noticed..." That's gotta be the website equivalent of wording-up stooges to ask loaded questions of you ar a press conference so that you can just answer each with a pointed "no comment" knowing that the media hacks will spin it into a story for you anyway.

Todd Viney said:
But it is also clear that when you're a bottom side, you're the whipping boys of the competition in several ways and that you have to work hard to earn every kick, from a teammate or the umpires.

Translation: "If you're camped in the bottom four you're a sh*t team and umpires are as aware of this as anyone, so if a 50-50 call happens along said umpires will automatically side against you on an assumption that the lesser side is always going to be at fault"

I've been arguing this line for years, but I've never seen anyone on a coaching staff actually put it in writing.

Todd Viney said:
Jarryd Roughead took a couple of nice grabs for Box Hill and will come into contention this week. Circumstances may dictate that Buddy Franklin also plays, even though his game against the Saints was probably his worst for the year. Buddy needs to play like a man, not a boy and perhaps compete that bit harder and keep his feet that little bit more. He could so with a reminder of how to go about his footy with Box Hill, but then again, with Barks out of the side, we may not have that option.

Surely its an act of treason for a member of a coaching staff to be publicly referring to a young footballer's deficiencies, the rumour mill will surely go into overdrive with talk of Hawthorn offering up Franklin as trade bait now ;-)
 

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