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AFL 2005 - Round 2

CyberKev

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Personally, I'd prefer to forget that round 1 happened at all, given that it was a disaster for me on a number of levels, save for the win that I had with my fantasy footy side. Nonetheless, one can't just take the Sherrin and go home, so here we go with round 2.

The Blues kick things off tonight with what should be another tight clash with an Essendon side that is clearly in decay. Fascinatingly enough, while the results of recent clashes run 3-2 the Bombers way, none of these contests have been won by the designated "home" side. A bad omen for Carlton? Perhaps, but they do lift markedly for these games and have shown a lot more to this, admittedly early, stage of the season. While the Blues lost last week, they would have been delighted with the showing by Koutifides and it will be difficult for Essendon to contain him, along with Fevola and Whitnall. Young Bradley showed fab signs for Essendon at CHB last week, but they're certainly getting little else from their youth faction.
Carlton by 16 pts

Hopes are high out Footscray way that the region's beloved Bulldogs may finally be set to break free of the dreaded bottom four. I'm almost certain that they will accomplish this, but I can't see them getting much joy from this particular game. Melbourne hold a convincing 4-1 lead on recent clashes, and while the margins haven't been large, I like the look of the Demons who are playing with real purpose and confidence. I'm expecting a high standard game here, with Melbourne moving a step closer to a top four finish.If Richmond & Hawthorn are looking for inspiration, they could do worse than look to the Demons, who looked washed-up a couple of years back, but are surging back due largely to the presence of a capable youth brigade.
Melbourne by 27 pts

Geelong looked solid against feeble opposition last week and should find West Coast much more of a challenge at Fortress Subi. The last five clashes between these sides have retruned two wins apiece, plus a draw. Subi is no fun for any side, but Geelong was unlucky to lose by 2pts in adverse conditions last season, and did belt the Eagles by 70pts there as recently as 2001. That being said, you have to back the fleet-footed Eagle brigade almost every time at Subiaco. The side was very average in getting a lucky win against Adelaide last week, but is more than capable of taking things up several notches on home soil. I'm expecting a top game here, possibly the best of the round.
West Coast by 12pts

The Kangaroos vs Sydney will be an intriguing encounter, with Sydney leading 3-2 in recent clashes, including a fine 51pt result at this venue (Canberra) last season. The Kangaroos did fight back to win a thriller at the SCG later in the season, but I'll still plum for the Swans in this game. Sydney comfortably overran an insipid Hawk side last week, and while they'll certainly find stiffer resistance here, the confidence gleaned from getting a win up will help their cause enormously. The Kangaroos also won well against Carlton, but there is a vulnerability inherent in this side, and the pace and endeavour of Sydney will go along way to exposing it here.
Sydney by 20pts

There hasn't been a lot made of the Grand Final "replay", but this could be a consequence of the game not involving any VIC-based sides. Brisbane leads 3-2 on recent results, including a tight 10pt win in their only meeting at this venue. It need also be said that Port struggled yesterday, while Brisbane had a strong win against fine opposition in St Kilda. Despite this, I'm going to break ranks and tip the reigning champions at home. Brisbane covered the absences of key players Brown & Black brilliantly last week, but against a rebounding Power outfit away from home, they shouldn't fare as well. Port will be desperate to get back in winning mode and will want to maintain a vestige of psychological dominance over the side they vanquished so impressively last September.
Port Adelaide by 15pts

St Kilda leads Fremantle 3-2 in recent clashes and should be able to move further ahead here. This is not to suggest that the Saints don't have their fair share of worries, of course. The loss to Brisbane wasn't a disgrace by any means, but with Reiwoldt going down and Gehrig remaining plagued by back problems, the side does look more vulnerable than usual up forward. By contrast, Freo played well last week and should head to Tasmania with renewed confidence. That being said, I remember how awful Freo was in going down to a brittle Hawk outfit at this venue last year, and I doubt that they have the mental fortitude to win games like this awy from home.
St Kilda by 34pts

Collingwood holds a superb 5-0 recent record over Adelaide and will rightly fancy its chances of extending this on the weekend. Adelaide is a very ordinary outfit, but to its credit it worked West Coast well last week and was unlucky to lose in the end. Collingwood is reeling from the bad news received regarding Nathan Buckley and will also struggle this season, with both sides likely to finish bottom four. Collingwood looks the steadier proposition, given the game is being played in Melbourne and should be able to close the Crows out of the contest.
Collingwood by 17pts

What can one say about the Hawthorn vs Richmond blockbuster? Richmond leads 3-2 in recent contests, with winning margins ranging from a solitary point to four whole goals. They will start very slight favourite here and fancy their chances, but its not a result that can be confidently predicted either way. Hawthorn's attack is dismal, but the same can be said of the Tiger defence. Hawthorn's capacity for making poor ball delivery choices is near legendary, but you won't find a more inaccountable unit than Richmond. While both sides were terrible last week, Hawthorn was slightly moreso. Mediating this, however, is the return of Mitchell, Barker & Beaumont for the Hawks which should provide a healthy boost. I'll go for Hawthorn in this one purely out of a desperate, hopeful bias.
Hawthorn by 8pts[/b]
 

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I hope you saved this CK, because it will be lost after the conversion, and you will need to post it again.
 

CyberKev

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Twizzle said:
I hope you saved this CK, because it will be lost after the conversion, and you will need to post it again.

Sure Have, Twizzle.

I got your heads-up in the tipping thread and copied the entire post to a word document.

Ta.
 

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My Tips for the week.

Essendon
Melbourne
Sydney
West Coast Eagles
Port Adelaide
St Kilda
Collingwood
Richmond
 

Choppies

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Dear Mel.

Hawks fans do not like you right now.

Love Hawthorn. ;-)

very bad sporting weekend for me. Hawks, Pies and Roosters lose. :cry:
 

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Great weekend for me.. RICHMOND AND THE MIGHTY STORM WIN!


Not often that happens lol.. usually its just the storm that saves me from having a shit week :D
 

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Choppies said:
Dear Mel.

Hawks fans do not like you right now.

Love Hawthorn. ;-)

very bad sporting weekend for me. Hawks, Pies and Roosters lose. :cry:

It wasn't all bad news...

Box Hill got off to a winning start in the VFL with young Hawk Jordan Lewis playing a blinder (only played 3 quarters and racked up 30 well used possessions), younger Hawk Jarryd Roughhead taking a slew of marks and kicking 4 goals, and young KPP prospect Tim Boyle returning after missing all of last year with a badly broken leg to win his position comfortably at CHB. Ruoury Kirkby also debuted in defence and while nowhere near as prominent as the other 3, did some nice things late in the game as he adjusted to the tempo.

Expect Jordan Lewis to slot into the Hawk side for his debut (along with ruckman, Simon Taylor) this weekend. Don't expect him to be playing back at Box Hill anytime soon.

As for Hawthorn, a loss is a loss, but given the effort put in (the Hawks would have had the edge in general play, damn our ever deficient forward structure!), and allowing for the strong return of Mitchell, I wasn't devastated. The sight of young collosus, Franklin on the paddock is a nice anaesthetic, that's for sure. Will be rolled by Shannon Byrne for the Rising Star nomination this week, but one suspects that his turn isn't far away. Should be an interesting clash with Essendon this week.

And Liverpool won in the EPL too...
 

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Who was the young red head playing in the backline in the first half? He really impressed me. The bloke has alot of courage and plays well above his weight. Going to be a good player.

Franklin looked good but against the Richmond backline ... Had minimal opposition.

On another note, the Hawk members sitting in front of us were highly unimpressed with the 'Poo and Wee' chant we were singing all day. They really should get over themselves. Not our fault they look like they have shit stains on their guernseys :roll:

Did you sign up as a member btw? It looks as though they gave away scarves as a part of the clubs loyalty pack... With 30k members, that would cost a fortune!!!
 

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meltiger said:
Who was the young red head playing in the backline in the first half? He really impressed me. The bloke has alot of courage and plays well above his weight. Going to be a good player.

Josh Thurgood. Was a key driving factor in Box Hill's late charge to the GF last year and earned subsequent promotion from the rookie list. Has a lot of ability and equal amounts of courage, but desperately needs more body weight. Got smashed in a Saint sandwich during the Wizard Cup and gets plenty of adverse attention due to his scant frame. Is being called 'Sideshow Bob' by Hawk tragics and and looks likely to become something of a cult figure.

meltiger said:
Franklin looked good but against the Richmond backline ... Had minimal opposition.

:lol: Mark Graham... In fairness to the old bloke, players a lot younger and better than him are going to struggle to man-up on Franklin.

meltiger said:
Did you sign up as a member btw? It looks as though they gave away scarves as a part of the clubs loyalty pack... With 30k members, that would cost a fortune!!!

Haven't yet, but intend to before the cut off date. Its no biggie for me timewise, as its not as if I'll be getting to any games anyway. I'm guessing they got some very special deal with the scarves. We can certainly deduce that there's a massive mark-up on them in the stores.

How did Deledio travel yesterday?
 

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:lol: The scarves look good though gotta admit. Saw some, with "Member 44 years" and so forth.


Agree that Thurgood needs some weight, is very very skinny, although made some great runs out of the backline yesterday and at one point had the courage to run virtually through a pack. That was what impressed me the most given the kids size.

Don't get me wrong btw, this 'Black Reiwoldt' talk about Franklin I think is spot on. Just hopefully he gets some time to develop before the media jumps on too hard.

Brett went well, taking time to adjust to the pace but will be a gun. No question about it. The top 3 will all be stars (Franklin, Deledio and Griffen). Be interesting to see how the next three go though. Tambling will hopefully be on the park this week against the Dogs (Not sure if he played for Coburg, played about 3 quarters last week though) & Roughhead had a good game for Box Hill apparently?


Hawthorn will beat the scum this weekend btw ...
 

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meltiger said:
Agree that Thurgood needs some weight, is very very skinny, although made some great runs out of the backline yesterday and at one point had the courage to run virtually through a pack. That was what impressed me the most given the kids size.

Sideshow will either make it or die in the attempt, probably the latter given Hawthorn's recent history :(

meltiger said:
Don't get me wrong btw, this 'Black Reiwoldt' talk about Franklin I think is spot on. Just hopefully he gets some time to develop before the media jumps on too hard.

I think this "Black Reiwoldt" talk is a wank... Riewoldt is the best player in the game and Franklin has miles to go before justifying that sort of talk. He'll go alright, but such hyperbole should be kept in perspective for a good while yet.

Meltiger said:
Brett went well, taking time to adjust to the pace but will be a gun. No question about it. The top 3 will all be stars (Franklin, Deledio and Griffen). Be interesting to see how the next three go though. Tambling will hopefully be on the park this week against the Dogs & Roughhead had a good game for Box Hill apparently?

I'm 99% sure Hawthorn would have ran with Deledio had they had first pick. Some Tiger tragics I know said he ran alright on the weekend, which would be pleasing given his age. I was a big wrap for Griffen predraft, and I'm surprised he hasn't surfaced yet. Still, given the young players coming along in the Bulldog midfield, there wouldn't be a need to rush him. I'd expect Tambling to play this week, and it will be interesting to see how quickly he adjusts to the tempo. Roughhead will still be some weeks away, even allowing for the plodding efforts of Barker & Holland #-o


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Hawthorn will beat the scum this weekend btw ...

Nah... They're ordinary, but we're still worse. Feel free to tip it though, mate, as I need to close the gap on you in the tipping :D
 

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CyberKev said:
meltiger said:
Agree that Thurgood needs some weight, is very very skinny, although made some great runs out of the backline yesterday and at one point had the courage to run virtually through a pack. That was what impressed me the most given the kids size.

Sideshow will either make it or die in the attempt, probably the latter given Hawthorn's recent history :(

LOL - Hopefully he doesn't and does put some weight on cause he certainly can play. Another I was impressed with yesterday was the little black dude you had out there. Absoloutely creamed us - Was just too quick. Very very fast.

CyberKev said:
meltiger said:
Don't get me wrong btw, this 'Black Reiwoldt' talk about Franklin I think is spot on. Just hopefully he gets some time to develop before the media jumps on too hard.

I think this "Black Reiwoldt" talk is a wank... Riewoldt is the best player in the game and Franklin has miles to go before justifying that sort of talk. He'll go alright, but such hyperbole should be kept in perspective for a good while yet.

That's exactly what I'm saying - Hopefully the media leave him alone. Don't kid yourself though, he will be one of the stars of the comp & won't just be a pure forward. I think he actually moves better than Saint Nick.....

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meltiger said:
Brett went well, taking time to adjust to the pace but will be a gun. No question about it. The top 3 will all be stars (Franklin, Deledio and Griffen). Be interesting to see how the next three go though. Tambling will hopefully be on the park this week against the Dogs & Roughhead had a good game for Box Hill apparently?

I'm 99% sure Hawthorn would have ran with Deledio had they had first pick. Some Tiger tragics I know said he ran alright on the weekend, which would be pleasing given his age. I was a big wrap for Griffen predraft, and I'm surprised he hasn't surfaced yet. Still, given the young players coming along in the Bulldog midfield, there wouldn't be a need to rush him. I'd expect Tambling to play this week, and it will be interesting to see how quickly he adjusts to the tempo. Roughhead will still be some weeks away, even allowing for the plodding efforts of Barker & Holland #-o

Hopefully Tambs gets on the park... Wasn't running well in the VFL trial game last week so he may be another week away mate. I think the most interesting thing with him is how he and Krak will fit into the same structure...

Holland - Agree, he is truely crap. Hawthorn would be haning out for that contract to end ...

Barker - Clarkson has been talking up his performance in the Melbourne media lol


CyberKev said:
meltiger said:
Hawthorn will beat the scum this weekend btw ...

Nah... They're ordinary, but we're still worse. Feel free to tip it though, mate, as I need to close the gap on you in the tipping :D

:lol:

Hawthorn are my roughie :)
 

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meltiger said:
Agree that Thurgood needs some weight, is very very skinny, although made some great runs out of the backline yesterday and at one point had the courage to run virtually through a pack. That was what impressed me the most given the kids size.

I just hope he doesn't cut his hair... He'll wreck the legitimacy of the best and most apt nickname in the game. Ideally he'll win best first year player at the club and get presented with a specially designed silver rake as a trophy :twisted:

meltiger said:
That's exactly what I'm saying - Hopefully the media leave him alone. Don't kid yourself though, he will be one of the stars of the comp & won't just be a pure forward. I think he actually moves better than Saint Nick.....

I'm yet to see solid evidence that he thinks like him though, much less can regularly pull down 12 marks and slot through 3 goals a game.

I try to be more sedate with hyperbole on players since I got caught-up in the delerium of Hawthorn's 1991 premiership win and unequivocally dubbed Stephen Lawrence "the player of the nineties!" :oops:

For Franklin, its definitely a case of "clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with Al."

Half the population wants to annoint him a demi god, while the other half label him a head case who's a sure-fire bet to chuck it in before July to become a prawn fisherman in Cairns.

meltiger said:
Hopefully Tambs gets on the park... Wasn't running well in the VFL trial game last week so he may be another week away mate. I think the most interesting thing with him is how he and Krak will fit into the same structure...

I'd probably ease him in via the bench initially, rotating him with Krakouer of a flank. I'm not sure of what the Tiger wings are like, but his pace would reap dividends there.

Long term, would the Tigers be hoping to have Coughlan as the designated centre; Tambling as the rover and Deledio as the ruck rover?
 

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CyberKev said:
Long term, would the Tigers be hoping to have Coughlan as the designated centre; Tambling as the rover and Deledio as the ruck rover?

I think you would find that the wing as you mentioned to start him would be where they would be wanting Tambs to play long term - ala a Peter Matera type. Obviously Mark is the anointed one for the Centre position, although watching him so far this year - He's still not fit and I doubt he ever will be. :(

Krak is definately not a winger though, his toughness at the footy and tackling skills are exceptional and his place is more a rotating on the ball/small forward role rather than being plomked on a wing.

Deledio, I would like to see him play from the back of the centre square through to the forward line.
 

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