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AFL 2006 - Premiership Odds

CyberKev

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For those who may be interested, the latest betting market (just days out from season 2006) reads as follows:
St Kilda $5.00
Adelaide $6.00
Geelong $6.50
West Coast $6.75
Sydney $11.00
Brisbane $13.00
Port $21.00
Melbourne $23.00
Fremantle $23.00
Collingwood $23.00
Essendon $26.00
Bulldogs $26.00
Kangaroos $34.00
Richmond $41.00
Hawthorn $61.00
Carlton $126.00

Given that it is the punters that frame the market, we can assume from Collingwood's odds that there are way too many deluded Magpie types out there (not that this was ever really in doubt), given that the Pies shouldn't be shorter than $41 (and that's being kind).

You could also say the same for Essendon and Port Adelaide (given the shape of both club's lists), although the latter probably retain a few brownie points given that their last flag was only two years ago and they did finish 2005 off strongly. Brisbane could surprise I suppose, but they don't appear to be great value at such a short price (given recent form).

Melbourne are certainly the best value here at $23, but I'm reminded of the old adage from my taxi driving days that 50% is fine as far as commission goes, but 100% of nothing will still equal nothing, and given that the Demons are too soft to win the whole comp, there's probably not a lot of genuine difference between where they are now and the $13 they probably should be at.

If you're thinking about wagering on a final 8 or wooden spoon finish, it may be worth bearing in mind the following sobering points:

  • Year in and year out, almost without fail, one side will surge from outside the eight (the previous year) into a top four spot.

    Commonly, two sides will fall out of the eight and be replaced by two strugglers from outside the eight the previous year.

    Carlton may be raging hot favourite for the spoon, but they did finish tenth with much the same list two years back, and no side has gone back to back with wooden spoons since the late Fitzroy club in 1996. Its also not uncommon for sides from outside the bottom four to crash heavily into 16th spot;

    Any Collingwood fan you will meet will tell you that the Pies are certainties for the 8 and good things for the top four (allowing for a good injury run). They predicate this on the side making the GF with a good injury run in 2003. What they fail to appreciate is that the competition has moved on significantly over the past 30 months, their list has diminished, and their key players have become older and more injury prone.
In short, you'd have to be daft to bet on AFL football, but if you're that way inclined, I urge you to give Collingwood a wide berth (unless you're dropping a speculative quid or several on them for the kitchen implement).
 

lockyno1

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How the Bulldogs are below Collingwood is an absolute joke! They are the best bet in my view.
 

CyberKev

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lockyno1 said:
How the Bulldogs are below Collingwood is an absolute joke! They are the best bet in my view.

Clearly their fans lack the confidence in them to have them higher.

That being said, the Dogs are no chance given their height deficiencies.

Still, I'd have them higher than Collingwood, yes.
 

meltiger

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CyberKev said:

  • Year in and year out, almost without fail, one side will surge from outside the eight (the previous year) into a top four spot.
Brisbane...
 

CyberKev

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meltiger said:

I'm not buying the hype around Collingwood.

They're the first side I'm writing off for 2006 and the season hasn't even begun yet.
 

meltiger

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CyberKev said:
I'm not buying the hype around Collingwood.

They're the first side I'm writing off for 2006 and the season hasn't even begun yet.


Nor am I buying the hype around the Dogs, especially with the height issues you make light of... They will get flogged by taller teams.
 

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chileman said:
Top 8 maybe.....top 4 would be a miracle *chile watches meltiger walk on water*

Top 4 -

St Kilda? Probably
West Coast? - Thanks to Subiaco, almost certainly
Geelong? Capable but consistency an issue
Melbourne? See Geelong
Sydney? Capable but see them only jagging enough wins to get somewhere between 5-8 and launching their finals campaign from there (Have a side suited to finals conditions)

Brisbane, have 12 games @ the GABBA and 1 down at Carrara. They should in all reality pull off somewhere between 10-13 wins from those games, if they can land 12, it's only a hop skip and a jump to the top 4 needing 3-4 more wins away from QLD

Especially with 1 Jonathon Brown seeming like he's primed for a big year having learnt the lesson that then AFL won't let you play like Brereton anymore (To the detriment of the game I might add)

Brisbane will be top 4
 

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Betcha Richmond will be hoping they play the Lions at Carrara ;-)
Swans will take care of the Lions at the Gabba, they always do :p
 

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meltiger said:
Nor am I buying the hype around the Dogs, especially with the height issues you make light of... They will get flogged by taller teams.

Perhaps, but given the woeful nature of the Collingwood ruck & Midfield divisions, the Magpies will struggle against pretty much everyone.

I'm not much of a wrap for the Magpie talls for that matter, young Cloke (Travis) excepted.
 

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meltiger said:
Brisbane, have 12 games @ the GABBA and 1 down at Carrara. They should in all reality pull off somewhere between 10-13 wins from those games, if they can land 12, it's only a hop skip and a jump to the top 4 needing 3-4 more wins away from QLD

This sounds good in theory, but also should have been the case last year.

If Brown can't stand up they're in trouble, particularly with Lappin & Hadley already effectively out for the season.

They also have limited options down back, where Leppitsch has been struggling for several years now fitness wise.

A few of their veterans appear to be both sated and past their best, and signs are that the youngsters needed to replace them aren't at a sufficient level.

Again they will rely on Brown & Akermanis for their impetus, and will depend heavily on Michael standing-up down back. If any of these players is away for a prolonged term they will be in bother.

Could finish anywhere from 5th to 12th, but a top four spot appears out of reach.
 

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meltiger said:
GABBA, R4, April 22.

I'm already booked for a week on the sunny Gold Coast :D
:shock: Let us know when you're coming up....will meet up and have a few palate cleansers! :D
 

meltiger

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CyberKev said:
This sounds good in theory, but also should have been the case last year.

If Brown can't stand up they're in trouble, particularly with Lappin & Hadley already effectively out for the season.

They also have limited options down back, where Leppitsch has been struggling for several years now fitness wise.

A few of their veterans appear to be both sated and past their best, and signs are that the youngsters needed to replace them aren't at a sufficient level.

Again they will rely on Brown & Akermanis for their impetus, and will depend heavily on Michael standing-up down back. If any of these players is away for a prolonged term they will be in bother.

Could finish anywhere from 5th to 12th, but a top four spot appears out of reach.


Again, all good in theory, but what people are underestimating is the loss of Brown last year.

Don't get me wrong, Brisbane will not win the premiership ... But they are good enough to win enough home games to make the top 4.

There is only 2 genuine top 4 teams, and lots of contenders.
 

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meltiger said:
Top 4 -

St Kilda? Probably
West Coast? - Thanks to Subiaco, almost certainly
Geelong? Capable but consistency an issue
Melbourne? See Geelong
Sydney? Capable but see them only jagging enough wins to get somewhere between 5-8 and launching their finals campaign from there (Have a side suited to finals conditions)

Brisbane, have 12 games @ the GABBA and 1 down at Carrara. They should in all reality pull off somewhere between 10-13 wins from those games, if they can land 12, it's only a hop skip and a jump to the top 4 needing 3-4 more wins away from QLD

Especially with 1 Jonathon Brown seeming like he's primed for a big year having learnt the lesson that then AFL won't let you play like Brereton anymore (To the detriment of the game I might add)

Brisbane will be top 4
Are you sticking with that amigo.....I still don't think they are top 4, hardly top 8 material!
 

meltiger

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chileman said:
Are you sticking with that amigo.....I still don't think they are top 4, hardly top 8 material!

They won't be the last team that'll get thumped at Kardinia Park.
 

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meltiger said:
They won't be the last team that'll get thumped at Kardinia Park.
How about a thumping at the Gabba tonight....by the way I'll PM you my mobile number so we can catch up for a beer and a yarn when you're up here! :D
 

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chileman said:
How about a thumping at the Gabba tonight....by the way I'll PM you my mobile number so we can catch up for a beer and a yarn when you're up here! :D

Totally forgot about that! Sorry mate was gonna PM you mine, will do so now.


& don't worry, I won't need security guards this time ;-)


They are playing tonight (Lions???)
 

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meltiger said:
They won't be the last team that'll get thumped at Kardinia Park.

Don't I know it...

We have to venture there next weekend, sob! :cry:
 

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