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AFL Round 19

CyberKev

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Thought I'd open this one up to get in a quick comment at halftime in the Eagles vs Bulldogs clash from the Dome.

The Bulldogs lead by 7 goals and have had much the better of the opening half. I have no doubt that the margin will tighten as the Hounds inevitably tire in the second half, but they have been super impressive to this point.

They certainly have some dash about them.

Meanwhile, at AAMI Stadium, its a full-on dogfight midway through the second term as the undermanned Demons take it right up to the Crows. Go you redlegs.
 

meltiger

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St Kilda will flog their arses come September.

We've been arguing for weeks Kev (about other things), but I have been saying it since Richmond played them ... West Coast will not win the premiership.

Grant 5 - How the hell are they going to stop St Kilda's forward line?!


GO DOGS!
 

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the CATS really are falling from grance

what has happened to their midfield, they used to be one of the best in the comp not so long ago
 

CyberKev

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meltiger said:
St Kilda will flog their arses come September.

Yes.

meltiger said:
We've been arguing for weeks Kev (about other things), but I have been saying it since Richmond played them ... West Coast will not win the premiership.

Haha.

Its all in good fun.

We may be getting a reputation as the "old married couple" of the forum though :badgrin:

meltiger said:
Grant 5 - How the hell are they going to stop St Kilda's forward line?!

How will anybody if they stay at full strength?
 

CyberKev

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Twizzle said:
the CATS really are falling from grance

what has happened to their midfield, they used to be one of the best in the comp not so long ago

Yeh, its always a bad thing when you fall from grance! Its bad enough when you fall from grace, even! :p

Geelong have had a bad injury run. They did seem like the side that could cope with it better than most, but I've always said that depth at a club always looks better than what it really is when you don't actually have to use it.

When St Kilda was struggling earlier in the year, it was no surprise that they had some key injury concerns and it played havoc with their structure.

Two wins from three will still get Geelong there.
 

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Well, Adelaide have pulled away from a beleaguered Melbourne side to all but seal second spot. Its been a fantastic effort given the season they put in last year, but I'd still be very surprised if they didn't bow out this September in straight sets.

On to the Eagles vs Bulldogs clash...

I've been very critical of the Eagles, despite their privileged spot on the table, and I honestly believe they can't win this title. They do have some talented players. Dean Cox is the best ruckman in the land, Wirripunda is fantastic out of a back pocket, Braun runs obtrusively all day and always gives 100%, as does the much maligned Chick out of defence. Cousins will most likely underline a fine career by winning the Brownlow and he always gets strong support out of the centre from the unsung Fletcher. Judd is the media lovechild, mainly because of his withering runs and ability to snap lovely goals. He usually gets good possie stats and is a dangerous player, but his thinking isn't always that flash and its no surprise to regularly see him outside of the key effective possession getting players. Outside of these players, the Eagles are sorely missing the perversely underrated Andrew Embley and exciting young CHF prospect Hansen.

They will have these players back for the finals (I think), but they will surely be underdone for such big matches. More worryingly for the side:

    • Phil Matera has dropped away up forward as a dangerous goal kicking small, and it looks very much like his best days are behind him;
    • Matera's battle underscores the vulnerability of the Eagles up forward. Lynch tries hard, but his skills are painfully average, and he is as bad a kick for goal as you could ask for from an experienced forward. McDougall struggled today and has struggled badly in the past. Hunter moved up forward also and was found wanting, with his move further exposing the side down back. Staker has some promise, but he is hardly a world beater, and not the sort of player that can be relied upon in the full glare of the finals' spotlight. Frankly, I just don't see how they can get enough goals when the stakes are high in the finals;
    • Similar woes face the side down back, where Glass has had a great year and looks quite steady at FB. I've already mentioned Wirrpunda out of a pocket who is a top player, but outside of that there is not a lot to get excited about. Hunter is no better than average when he is down there and while Braun can be a strong presence, he is often needed up forward (ditto for Chick).
    • These structural woes are shown-up in the Eagles game plan. Last weekend, the Eagles steadfastly refused to play corridor football, despite playing a struggling and undermanned Hawthorn outfit at home. While they had a lot more scoring shots, it was hardly surprising an inordinate number were behinds as they were routinely pushing speculative shots from way out wide. They played similar football today. If you're a top side, and you're increasingly unwilling to play direct football, then you're asking for defeat in the finals' cauldron.
As for the Hounds, I was very, very impressed. We all know they have some fine young talent, but today was mainly a day for the old guard. Chris Grant, Rohan Smith, Scott West and Brad Johnson were all fantastic this afternoon, and will all leave big holes at the club as they retire over the next two seasons.

From a Hawk perspective, the Norwich eligible player I would most like to see at Hawthorn (in terms of bringing the most for structural improvement) is neither Deledio or Griffen (not that I wouldn't kill for both), but rather it is big Will Minson. Talented young ruckmen are in short supply, and not only does he have sturdy size about him, but he also has a deep-set aggro streak.

There's a lot to like about the Bulldogs, who could be the next big thing from next season on. They still have plenty to play for this year, and it wouldn't surprise me to see them win all of their remaining three games to sneak into the eight.

Here's hoping they get there, because they have the capacity to shake things up a bit.
 

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Very in depth Kev lol you know ya stuff though..

I think its Melbourne Vs Geelong next week (?) so you would think the loser of that will miss the 8.. which im thinking will be Melbourne.

ALL the results (bar maybe dogs winning) have gone Richmonds way, and we have been given a top 8 finish on a plate... yet we dont want to take it!!!! Win tonight and we're home.
 

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A nice fight put up by the Tigers in the West this evening, but the Dockers too good in the end to the tune of 27 points.

It will be tough for both sides to make the eight from here.

Richmond now need to defeat the Bulldogs, Hawthorn & Geelong over the next 3 weeks and, quite probably, also hope that other results fall their way.

Fremantle are within 2 wins of the eight, but have tough clashes with West Coast, St Kilda & Port Adelaide (at AAMI).

You wouldn't want to have money on either side making it on the strength of that.

Elsewhere, Sydney all but booked a place in September by beating the Bombers to the tune of 20 points. Big bad Barry Hall had a big night out kicking 7, and Essendon must surely be wishing the season over.
 

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Not good at all.
But im proud of the fight the Tiges put up.. the future is looking good.

A red hot Dogs will be almost un-beatable next week, Hawthorn "could" be a win and probably a fired up Geelong in geelong....
Chances look slim for the mighty tiges, but they atleast have been in contention for the finals.. unlike previous years.

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Its hard to know who the form teams are, they seem to be getting knocked off every 2nd week, but i guess the Saints and Adelaide are both looking good. Eagles are just waiting for finals to come.. and when they do may not be going into them with the confidence they had hoped they would..


Very very interesting year of footy.
 

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camsmith said:
Chances look slim for the mighty tiges, but they atleast have been in contention for the finals.. unlike previous years.

Some weeks back I suggested that 48 points may not be enough to get you into the eight, but now I'm thinking that 44 may do the job (provided that you have a healthy enough percentage).

Will elaborate further later.

Richmond fans will sit back and hope that miracles do happen and that Hawthorn, Carlton & Collingwood all find a way to salute this afternoon.

What would the odds on that be?
 

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Collingwood you weak-gutted f*%#@^s!!!! :evil:

Leading by 3 goals well into time-on in the final term and you still find a way to let through 4 junktime Kangaroo goals to lose and deny me the perfect 8 bloody round I so richly deserved!!!

Pathetic!

Fine effort by Carlton who looked set to roll the Power for much of the day before the premiers broke them in the final term. Its hard to remember a reigning champion that looked so ordinary, but somehow they still find themselves alive in the finals race.

Carlton must surely fancy themselves to avoid a second wooden spoon on the form of the past fortnight.

I can't argue that Hawthorn doesn't deserve it on the performances put in during the same period. A very poor match today, and while Brisbane benefited enormously from a string of dubious umpiring decisions and withered Hawk legs late following on from last weekend's game in Perth, I can't argue that we didn't get what we deserved in the end.

F%#@&*g Collingwood!
 

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Essendon are finished for the year, played pretty well tho. If we lose to anyone may as well be Sydney.
 

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I am still riding hope that Collingwood will get the spoon! I can see both the Hawks and the Blues winning 1 more, but I can't see Carlton winning 2!
 

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lockyno1 said:
I am still riding hope that Collingwood will get the spoon! I can see both the Hawks and the Blues winning 1 more, but I can't see Carlton winning 2!

The Hawks winning one more?

Who the flock are we going to beat?!
 

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meltiger said:
Richmond? lol

St Kevin's Old Boys would be more of a chance.

We'll be lucky to have enough players to field a side in two weeks time.

Its embittering to the max and I hate to have to admit it, but the spoon is ours... :cry:
 

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meltiger said:
Don't Carlton still have to win again??

If they don't beat Collingwood this week they will coffee scroll Essendon the following week.

They're set to pull another 2003 great escape. They were the worst side in the comp that season too, but the Hounds somehow wound-up holding the spoon.
 

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CyberKev said:
The Hawks winning one more?

Who the flock are we going to beat?!

Both Essendon and Richmond you have a good chance of winning!

Carlton have Essendon and Collingwood! So they have a chance!
 
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Richmond have gone on their usual slippery slide down the ladder

Notice your signature has changed these days meltiger?? West Tigers are not sh*t any more, so if you want a Tigers team to support in september you might have to fly to Sydney, cause there wont be one in Melbourne.
 

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