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Amnrl

byrner

Juniors
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667
Mate its how they think they can best grow the game. Do u think The crowd cared that it wasn't the real usa team?
 

deal.with.it

Juniors
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2,086
It is nz v usa. 100%.
No one is saying it's an RLIF sanctioned test match.
Do casual fans in the usa know what the word test means, or who the rlif is? Come on!
 

Craigo

Juniors
Messages
202
My youngest toured Vancouver 2 years ago with his schools Rugby side. They played both the Canadian and Australian national anthems before the games. Were they the national rep sides for both countries? No, but were they representing their respective countries? Yes.
To say the game was between the USA and NZ was far from a lie....
 

spinnerhowland

Juniors
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788
Are there any other events on the table/in planning for other regions in the US?

At the moment the focus will remain on the RLIF and our application. I am not sure everyone completely understands the real meaning of becoming the NBG For a sport. There is a lot to consider. As much as the high profile status will focus on the National team, its name, selection process, etc. The truth is that we must continue to set up and work on the things we have been doing for the last 4 years.
- We must continue to develop a minor league (reserve grade comp) on the East Coast. that may be a 2nd tier comp with teams who are not ready for the USARL top tier. Or it may be teams in the USARL top comp who are able to field a 2nd team. or a combo of both. Obviously due to travel costs, the 2nd tier will need to be very regional.
- We need to continue the youth efforts in the North East, and also start developing relationships with High School and Colleges. We must find the right path to drive the game into a younger group of athletes.
- Expansion also needs to done. All the groups that we have been talking with over the last four years, will continue to need support and guidance. There are groups in Texas, Mid West, California, Hawaii, North West, etc. These are in addition to the groups who wish to start teams on the East Coast. And of course the former AMNRL teams who are interested in continuing in the USARL.
- Development of Officials and Coaches, as well as the development of administrators who can assist with both.
- Comp structure. We need to look at what kind of structure works for all these teams. A USARL Top Tier Comp for teams who can compete and fund at that level? Then a 2nd tier comp in a regional basis, then other remote regions, etc.
- Business and Sponsor opportunities. Another important part of developing an NGB.
- International relationships with teams, countries, administrators, etc.
- Developing a region with our neighbors in Canada and Jamaica to ensure we have a strong "global district"
- Look at TV deals in the future
- How does the partnership between the teams and league work? How does the league encourage teams to grow and prosper, whilst also maintaining control of the sport for the entire country. etc.
- Protection of the brand and development of new regional ones

The list goes on and on.

And these are only a JUST A FEW of that things that the "Phone will Ring About". When you think about all the things that we need to consider, there needs to be a lot of input, careful thinking, clear direction, and the one thing that many overlook...accountability. We are about to lay a foundation for a VERY big building that is expected to last forever, and we need careful planning. Of course a transparent plan is also important.

And we all need to remember, that during the first couple of years this all needs to be done without anyone being paid. Everyone volunteers their time in the USARL. From teams, the bod members, to the executives. It is all Pro Bono.

There are always things that can be found for many "costs". For instance we have found a Trademark Lawyer who was interested in a sponsorship during the Broadcast of the game last weekend. So we discussed the Trademark applications that will be needed moving forward as part of that partnership.

Among the current USARL membership with have a great number of people with incredible skills. Their regular day jobs included, Accountants, IT pros, PR and Marketing Firms, Lawyers, Event Planners, advertising sales, travel planners, etc.

We just need to make sure that the process is carefully planned with one eye on the entire picture.

And 99% of what we do will need to come from input of those who have the ability to understand the business of sports in the USA. All of us love the international perspective, and some great ideas that come from those overseas who offer it, but the truth is that a lot of things that "work" in other countries may not be successful in the USA.

Providing our application is approved, we are about to become the National Governing Body for Rugby League in the ENTIRE United States. If you stop and think about every phone call that the ARL gets, and the spectrum of what all those calls are about, it is a task that needs to be taken carefully.

We are about to set up a business that is expected to grow to include every state in the USA, last forever, cover athletes from kids to seniors, allow for a variety of operations levels, etc. Not exactly something that is to be taken lightly.
 

The Daddy3

Juniors
Messages
129
At the moment the focus will remain on the RLIF and our application. I am not sure everyone completely understands the real meaning of becoming the NBG For a sport. There is a lot to consider. As much as the high profile status will focus on the National team, its name, selection process, etc. The truth is that we must continue to set up and work on the things we have been doing for the last 4 years.
- We must continue to develop a minor league (reserve grade comp) on the East Coast. that may be a 2nd tier comp with teams who are not ready for the USARL top tier. Or it may be teams in the USARL top comp who are able to field a 2nd team. or a combo of both. Obviously due to travel costs, the 2nd tier will need to be very regional.
- We need to continue the youth efforts in the North East, and also start developing relationships with High School and Colleges. We must find the right path to drive the game into a younger group of athletes.
- Expansion also needs to done. All the groups that we have been talking with over the last four years, will continue to need support and guidance. There are groups in Texas, Mid West, California, Hawaii, North West, etc. These are in addition to the groups who wish to start teams on the East Coast. And of course the former AMNRL teams who are interested in continuing in the USARL.
- Development of Officials and Coaches, as well as the development of administrators who can assist with both.
- Comp structure. We need to look at what kind of structure works for all these teams. A USARL Top Tier Comp for teams who can compete and fund at that level? Then a 2nd tier comp in a regional basis, then other remote regions, etc.
- Business and Sponsor opportunities. Another important part of developing an NGB.
- International relationships with teams, countries, administrators, etc.
- Developing a region with our neighbors in Canada and Jamaica to ensure we have a strong "global district"
- Look at TV deals in the future
- How does the partnership between the teams and league work? How does the league encourage teams to grow and prosper, whilst also maintaining control of the sport for the entire country. etc.
- Protection of the brand and development of new regional ones

The list goes on and on.

And these are only a JUST A FEW of that things that the "Phone will Ring About". When you think about all the things that we need to consider, there needs to be a lot of input, careful thinking, clear direction, and the one thing that many overlook...accountability. We are about to lay a foundation for a VERY big building that is expected to last forever, and we need careful planning. Of course a transparent plan is also important.

And we all need to remember, that during the first couple of years this all needs to be done without anyone being paid. Everyone volunteers their time in the USARL. From teams, the bod members, to the executives. It is all Pro Bono.

There are always things that can be found for many "costs". For instance we have found a Trademark Lawyer who was interested in a sponsorship during the Broadcast of the game last weekend. So we discussed the Trademark applications that will be needed moving forward as part of that partnership.

Among the current USARL membership with have a great number of people with incredible skills. Their regular day jobs included, Accountants, IT pros, PR and Marketing Firms, Lawyers, Event Planners, advertising sales, travel planners, etc.

We just need to make sure that the process is carefully planned with one eye on the entire picture.

And 99% of what we do will need to come from input of those who have the ability to understand the business of sports in the USA. All of us love the international perspective, and some great ideas that come from those overseas who offer it, but the truth is that a lot of things that "work" in other countries may not be successful in the USA.

Providing our application is approved, we are about to become the National Governing Body for Rugby League in the ENTIRE United States. If you stop and think about every phone call that the ARL gets, and the spectrum of what all those calls are about, it is a task that needs to be taken carefully.

We are about to set up a business that is expected to grow to include every state in the USA, last forever, cover athletes from kids to seniors, allow for a variety of operations levels, etc. Not exactly something that is to be taken lightly.

Interesting post there Spinner it's great to finally (touch wood) have a single progressive governing body in place in the States.

My questions following up from your post is:

1. You've mentioned one of the aims of the USARL would be to develop relationships with high schools and colleges, my fear is that the sport as a whole in the US doesn't take youth development and the implementation of youth programs seriously. If the US is to develop and the point has been raised before about not using heritage players then this must lead to a stronger emphasis on clubs having a youth program, within the structure of an elite youth league in order to bring through better home grown talent. The point I'm making is that youth development is not just about building relationships with high schools it's also about delivering focused programs with clear goals, strategies and intentions. The USARL must learn if they are to progress that youth programs are not doing small things here and there.

2. Also, this 'VERY, big building', is it a new stadium for Rugby League in the states and when can we expect to here announcements on it?

3. In regards to having a top tier league, this has to be the way to go for the sport to progress, the states have all the resources needed to create a pro league, is this a consideration?

Regards
 

spinnerhowland

Juniors
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788
Yes it is a Metaphor. Pretty sure everyone (almost) got that.

DaddyTrey - are you from the US? Do you have an intricate understanding of youth sports in the USA? Your use of the word "must" seems to elude that you have experience in the youth sporting market in the USA?
 

IowaRL

Juniors
Messages
419
I'm really excited for the next year in Rugby League in America. I've got things I'm working on for the USARL, as well as building up the Crash for the Super Nines next year.

Spinner, you put on a fantastic show for the National Championship, I only wish I could have congratulated you for a great event in person.
 

The Daddy3

Juniors
Messages
129
Yes it is a Metaphor. Pretty sure everyone (almost) got that.

DaddyTrey - are you from the US? Do you have an intricate understanding of youth sports in the USA? Your use of the word "must" seems to elude that you have experience in the youth sporting market in the USA?

Ok point taken on the metaphoric use of the term 'building', could you answer the other two points raised. Thanks
 

IowaRL

Juniors
Messages
419
Connections are being formed and programs developed with the Ayrla in Rhode Island. Using thier experience, we hope to duplicate this is our other areas of the country.

Also, I don't think a pro league will work for at least another decade. Union has a head start, and they still can't finance a proper top flight comp.
 

spinnerhowland

Juniors
Messages
788
Ok point taken on the metaphoric use of the term 'building', could you answer the other two points raised. Thanks

Are you from the USA? Do you have a real understanding of "business in sports" in the USA.

1. You've mentioned one of the aims of the USARL would be to develop relationships with high schools and colleges, my fear is that the sport as a whole in the US doesn't take youth development and the implementation of youth programs seriously. If the US is to develop and the point has been raised before about not using heritage players then this must lead to a stronger emphasis on clubs having a youth program, within the structure of an elite youth league in order to bring through better home grown talent. The point I'm making is that youth development is not just about building relationships with high schools it's also about delivering focused programs with clear goals, strategies and intentions. The USARL must learn if they are to progress that youth programs are not doing small things here and there.
- If you have ideas feel free to explain them based on the knowledge you have on youth sports in the USA. Consider the insurance on kids under 18 in a country that has no free medical, the costs of that insurance, how to compete with current school programs of more traditional sports, finding funding for coaches, etc.

2. Also, this 'VERY, big building', is it a new stadium for Rugby League in the states and when can we expect to here announcements on it?

3. In regards to having a top tier league, this has to be the way to go for the sport to progress, the states have all the resources needed to create a pro league, is this a consideration?
- What resources are you talking about? Have you considered the cost of a pro-league with the large amount of travel needed in the USA, and the infrastructure that would need to be set up? The only way it works is with TV driving the, and underwriting, the deal.
What are your thoughts on how much this would cost based on an 8 team competition?
And think about the competing sports you are going to go up against.
 

Fatwing15

Juniors
Messages
262
In what way? They could have applied to join the competition, NOVA Eagles did and were accepted straight away, the rest of the clubs didn't because they were too stubborn and then the AMNRL as a whole purposely applied when it was too late so they could claim that they were being excluded and disrupt the competition. Hopefully we'll see the few remaining AMNRL clubs become part of the USARL structure next year, but if not then it's their own fault. I'm pretty sure all the clubs have been invited to join the USARL since day one.

I would not say that the clubs themselves were too stubborn, but may have put their trust in the wrong place. We trusted a system and a group that we all thought were going to work towards the best outcome possible. It didn't work out like we all thought it would. I don't think your are correct in saying that the AMNRL purposely applied late in order to disrupt the competition, either, looks like it was a failed last ditch effort to unite. Overall your post is way off base.

Only thing you are correct about is that all clubs have been invited and have the opportunity to gain membership.
 

Evil Homer

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I would not say that the clubs themselves were too stubborn, but may have put their trust in the wrong place. We trusted a system and a group that we all thought were going to work towards the best outcome possible. It didn't work out like we all thought it would. I don't think your are correct in saying that the AMNRL purposely applied late in order to disrupt the competition, either, looks like it was a failed last ditch effort to unite. Overall your post is way off base.

Only thing you are correct about is that all clubs have been invited and have the opportunity to gain membership.
Mistakenly putting your trust in a group despite all evidence to the contrary (and despite it being painfully obvious to anyone with eyes what was going to happen) sounds like stubbornness more than anything to me. And you obviously still haven't learned your lesson if you don't think there was any malice in the AMNRL management's decision to apply en-masse one week before the start of the USARL season, especially as they then went on to cry exclusion at every possible opportunity. TBH that organization was always on the line between malicious politicking and mind-blowing incompetence, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here. Either way, that's in the past and these people are now hopefully out of the game so as you say, hopefully things can now move forward under a united body.
 

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