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And all you 'experts' know more than Benji??

N.C.

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LOLS all around...
Yes catebury have had a winning season but they will never win it with that brand of football -a sh*t halfback and Sh*t hooker who create nought...

souffs.....they are doing it right.FTW??..we did finish above them last year and they have only had one recent dismal finals appearance......

FFS next thing you will say is you wish you were a saints fan.....

Souths...? Well let's see. Over the last four years it pretty much looks like this:

Sacked the coach and took a punt on a young assistant coach. Bought back a favourite son (who, incidentally, could play). Bought an up and coming prop and a few good back-rowers. Brought in a good rookie halfback who still might even end up a great halfback. Made the finals, then faltered the next year. Tossed the coach because he didn't have the players' undivided attention or respect. Bought a forward pack. Re-enthused their fans...
 

matty-ducati

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maybe a movement amongst the bleachers is in need something similar to the manchester united one, there fans are switching to green & gold to get the attention of the media and push for movement against the owners the glazier family who has put the club into approx 700 million pound debt. started slow, now the green and gold is starting to stand out a bit hahaha that would be priceless
 

jasonl

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You know what the real point is. It's not that we're experts or anything else. It's that we're the fans. We pay for this man's lively-hood - a very good one at that. And we aren't happy. The rumblings really began 4 years ago and since then, everything we've said we weren't happy with has continued and, in cases, gotten worse. I don't feel a part of this club any more.

The local boys have been f**ked off in favour of imports who fail - while our lads go on to bigger and better things - despite all of us being against it at the time.

One man controls our club while even the board know he should be gone - politics again taking precedence over the right thing to do.

Our coach - the man we pay - calls us "so-called fans". That's us who stood on a muddy hill in the freezing rain with imaginary 5k crowds. That's us who have seen one finals appearance in 10 years - missing something like 6 under the bloke who questions our quality as fans - while he takes home 100's of thousands of OUR dollars.

The main problem is, and we don't need to be experts to know this. The main problem is - we lose. It's not good enough. A club like Canterbury had a losing season. They brought in a guy with no first grade coaching experience, a few new players. And were it not for some dubious decisions by officials, they'd have topped the league. Beaten only by another club who, despite performing significantly better than us, also brought in a new coach.

I've had enough - i'd had enough a long time ago. I won't be buying a "membership" until the club is ours again. On a similar note - I'm almost inclined to buy a Souths membership to help them in the race to 10k. Just because they are doing the right thing... while our club struggles.

Westie,

I think you sell yourself a touch short with the "just a fan" throwaway. Unlike most of the individuals who post here, for right or wrong (and hey, I disagree with a lot of what you say), you are a true student of the game.

Kudos.

With the Marshall thing - well, hell it was always going to happen. Marshall always has looked at Sheens as a Father figure and mentor. At times he has publicly said he would play under no other coach. Rightly or wrongly, this has to count as an important consideration. Similarly, when Farrah (a truly ambitious player) was courted - and courted quite seriously - he chose to stay within the Sheens stable.

The point is that Sheens seems to have a kind of magnetic hold over certain players. Which is fine, if those players are Daley, Stuart and Clyde. When however it extends to the recall of individuals like Fitzhenry and Fulton, then unfortunately the club, and as a direct consequence the fans, are facing frustration and disappointment.

Like day follows night.

I don't know nearly as much about the internal machinations as yourself and many of the guys on here but in my opinion WT have tied themselves, hook, line and sinker to a messiah personality in the form of Sheens - which is obviously unhealthy. Like Stalanist Russia, any dissent is quickly squashed.

Football clubs are funny things - politics and emotion play a disproportionate part in what runs out onto the field each weekend.

Hence poor old Johnny Morris, or Beau Ryan or any number of others - simple men just trying to make a living - being forced out into First Grade like frightened rabbits on a strange alien planet.

Winning in 05 gave Sheens enormous political capital. It wasn't just the winning but the style of winning that made it all so remarkable. Small mobile forwards backed up by one of the most extraordinary backlines ever to play (don't know who ended up with the awards but Brett Hodgsen and Scott Prince were far and away the best players in the NRL that season - Marshall was just icing).

And at the time, for a fleeting moment, it was thought that this might be the future of Rugby Leauge. Forget the ugly, headbanger style of Canturbury under Folkes, or the vicious gang defence of Easts under Stuart - this was finally, as the Europeans might say, a "beautiful game" (If in doubt, take a look at that first finals game against the Cowboys). And it could stand up to size as well - St George were unbackable going into that semi and we all saw what happened there.

Which brings us to now.

Size, power and the wrestle are again pre-eminent. Mid level talent like Cronk and Orford etc rule the game.

Damn shame.

Meanwhile Sheens lives in the past, surrounding himself with acolytes and obsequious officials clinging to folorn hopes that something, anything, will come from this.

The romantic in me says that it might. But looking carefully from the sidelines last week at the SFS, the gut tells me there is plenty wrong with this team and this club.

Cayless and Tiquiri - you gotta be kidding.

How the bookies have this team at 13/1 is beyond belief.

Westie, I admire your dedication and ardour, however, for the time being at least, it might just be time to put it to better use elsewhere.

Don't worry about Wests - the ghosts of Dallas, Captain Blood, Joe Cool, Pete Dimond and a thousand others still haunt the halls.

Which is nice eh?

Peace,

Jase
 

chunk

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You know what the real point is. It's not that we're experts or anything else. It's that we're the fans. We pay for this man's lively-hood - a very good one at that. And we aren't happy. The rumblings really began 4 years ago and since then, everything we've said we weren't happy with has continued and, in cases, gotten worse. I don't feel a part of this club any more.

The local boys have been f**ked off in favour of imports who fail - while our lads go on to bigger and better things - despite all of us being against it at the time.

One man controls our club while even the board know he should be gone - politics again taking precedence over the right thing to do.

Our coach - the man we pay - calls us "so-called fans". That's us who stood on a muddy hill in the freezing rain with imaginary 5k crowds. That's us who have seen one finals appearance in 10 years - missing something like 6 under the bloke who questions our quality as fans - while he takes home 100's of thousands of OUR dollars.

The main problem is, and we don't need to be experts to know this. The main problem is - we lose. It's not good enough. A club like Canterbury had a losing season. They brought in a guy with no first grade coaching experience, a few new players. And were it not for some dubious decisions by officials, they'd have topped the league. Beaten only by another club who, despite performing significantly better than us, also brought in a new coach.

I've had enough - i'd had enough a long time ago. I won't be buying a "membership" until the club is ours again. On a similar note - I'm almost inclined to buy a Souths membership to help them in the race to 10k. Just because they are doing the right thing... while our club struggles.

Do you really think anyone gives a f**k if you and twenty of your mates don't but another membership.

You have a very short memory if you think this club is struggling...remember pre Sheens....remember!!

''Last year, our three [licensed] clubs put in less than $700,000 - between them, not each. Some clubs put in $3-$4 million. People have got to understand we've got limited budgets. This is the first year we've actually had depth of players and been able to reinvest back into the organisation with more equipment and more staff." SMH 27th Feb, 2010

I think under these circumstances the club under Sheens has done pretty well
 
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hybrid_tiger

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Do you really think anyone gives a f**k if you and twenty of your mates don't but another membership.

You have a very short memory if you think this club is struggling...remember pre Sheens....remember!!

Yep here we go again - Balmain and Wests both sucked dog balls, so when we slightly improve and just miss out on the semi finals every year its an improvement and we should just accept it. FMD.

Answer me just one question. If we AGAIN miss out on the semi finals this year, do you want Sheens to remain as coach in 2011?
 

westie

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Do you really think anyone gives a f**k if you and twenty of your mates don't but another membership.

You have a very short memory if you think this club is struggling...remember pre Sheens....remember!!

''Last year, our three [licensed] clubs put in less than $700,000 - between them, not each. Some clubs put in $3-$4 million. People have got to understand we've got limited budgets. This is the first year we've actually had depth of players and been able to reinvest back into the organisation with more equipment and more staff." SMH 27th Feb, 2010

I think under these circumstances the club under Sheens has done pretty well


You're a special kind of idiot.

If Sheens hadn't pissed off the Wests Ashfield faction and promoted the division coming from Campbelltown - it's very reasonable to think they might give us more than they give the Magpies. I remember pre-Sheens. We used to get a f**k-load more money from the leagues clubs - limited only by what a struggling Balmain side could afford to pay.

Me and my 20 mates? Have a bo-peep at the membership tallies and you'll find it's more like 10-12 thousand when compared with other Sydney clubs who have their fans on-side.
 
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chunk

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You're a special kind of idiot.

If Sheens hadn't pissed off the Wests Ashfield faction and promoted the division coming from Campbelltown - it's very reasonable to think they might give us more than they give the Magpies. I remember pre-Sheens. We used to get a f**k-load more money from the leagues clubs - limited only by what a struggling Balmain side could afford to pay.

Me and my 20 mates? Have a bo-peep at the membership tallies and you'll find it's more like 10-12 thousand when compared with other Sydney clubs who have their fans on-side.

Sorry didn't mean to offend you.

You probably don't have any mates.

Your example of the Wests Magpies just highlights the poor management of the Magpies...amateurs. It was there decision in the first place to go out west. And they still couldn't succeed, even with all your so called money!

Wake up............If I was an old Magpies fan I would be just counting my blessings that people like Sheens have come to a club like mine. Once a basket case.............And I'll say the same for Balmain.

Finally, there's more to coaching than just making the eight and to believe otherwise is shallow
 

Magpies_74

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Seems Sheens only wants a 1 year extention now. So when Lang is off contract he can f**k off to Souths. If Wests Tigers Fail in the next 2 years no biggie....
 

innsaneink

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Sorry didn't mean to offend you.

You probably don't have any mates.

Your example of the Wests Magpies just highlights the poor management of the Magpies...amateurs. It was there decision in the first place to go out west. And they still couldn't succeed, even with all your so called money!

Wake up............If I was an old Magpies fan I would be just counting my blessings that people like Sheens have come to a club like mine. Once a basket case.............And I'll say the same for Balmain.

Finally, there's more to coaching than just making the eight and to believe otherwise is shallow

Get outta the 80's & 90's man...its the 21st century ...youre a reflection of the fossils on our board, 9th & 10th is acceptable. We been around a decade, One in ten is acceptable...guess what, its pathetic
 

N.C.

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Time hasn't dulled Sheens' steely edge
February 27, 2010

Risk taker ... Tim Sheens believes the Tigers are in good shape to challenge for honours this season.

The veteran coach still firmly believes near enough is not good enough - so much so he's prepared to walk away if success doesn't come to the Tigers soon, writes Greg Prichard.

Tim Sheens has been around for a long time, but to call him a survivor would be to suggest he has merely found a way to cling on, rather than achieve.

He has won four premierships. Had he not already won three of those with Canberra between 1989 and 1994, his career might have fizzled out after a four-year stint at North Queensland ended badly in 2001, but Wests Tigers clearly thought him capable of leading them somewhere special.

The club's faith seemed to have been vindicated when Sheens advanced them from 13th in 2003 to ninth in 2004 and, dramatically, a premiership in 2005. They haven't made the finals in the four years since, but are set to extend his contract, which runs out at the end of this season. That suggests both an acceptance by the club that circumstances beyond the coach's control have contributed to that recent record and, more importantly, a belief in his near-enough-is-not-good-enough philosophy.

Indeed, Sheens revealed to the Herald that he has pushed for only a short-term contract extension - possibly only one year - reasoning that failure to challenge seriously for honours either this season or next will signify that it is time for him to move on.

''You can play safe and maybe make the semis, but I wouldn't give up the grand final for four semi-final appearances,'' Sheens says. ''I like to take risks to try to establish a winning team. I don't think just making the semis is as big as people think it is. There are quite a few clubs that would give up a few semi-final appearances to win one premiership.

''I'm not giving myself an excuse, but unless you make the play-offs with a chance to win it, it's a waste of time. I don't say the only time we want to get there is when we're a chance to win it, but if we get there and go straight out, I mean, finishing ninth or finishing eighth and going straight out is not much different, really. It's just something on paper.''

It's no secret the Tigers have had big issues with money. The club has taken many games away from Leichhardt Oval and Campbelltown Sports Ground, giving up crucial home-ground advantage, in order to receive financial guarantees to play elsewhere. For a couple of years, they even took home games against the Warriors to Christchurch.

''When I took over, three years after they started, they had blown all of their money and owed the league a million dollars,'' Sheens says.

The Tigers have remained competitive, but in recent years have teased their fans rather than fulfilled their desires, losing games narrowly and finishing just outside the top eight.

Last year, but for a tight game late in the season in which Parramatta narrowly eclipsed them, it could have been Wests Tigers instead of the Eels who burst into the finals as the competition's loose cannon. But, even then, a heavy injury toll might have stopped them advancing much further.

''We lost two wingers in that one game against Parra, and one of them, Taniela [Tuiaki], had been the NRL's leading try-scorer all year,'' Sheens said. ''Plus, [prop] Bryce Gibbs got suspended, and when we went in against Canterbury in the last round, I had seven guys take local anaesthetics to play, so it wasn't healthy. We may not have gone into the finals in a condition to win it. But if you go in fit - in '05 we won it with a healthy squad and in '89, '90 and '94 we won with fit squads at the Raiders. In '91, we had players out and others playing hurt, and that contributed to our loss when we had a chance for a 'three-peat'. You look at [Melbourne coach] Craig Bellamy not having Cameron Smith and Ryan Hoffman available a couple of years ago, and last year [Manly coach] Dessie Hasler's nightmare with injury and issues.

''Any coach will tell you, you've got to have the right people available at the right time of year. Most of it [at the Tigers] comes down to a lack of budget to acquire depth of players. We've had to rely a lot on kids when we've had senior players out.

''Last year, our three [licensed] clubs put in less than $700,000 - between them, not each. Some clubs put in $3-$4 million. People have got to understand we've got limited budgets. This is the first year we've actually had depth of players and been able to reinvest back into the organisation with more equipment and more staff.

''The club's ticking along pretty well at the moment. We're producing our own kids, and we're very serious about continuing that, but it's only recently that we've actually gone back to buying some big-name players to support our junior policy. We haven't had the money to do so in the past, nor have we been attractive enough. People wouldn't come to us.''

The competition is more even than ever and Wests Tigers - now boasting Lote Tuquiri and the recently re-signed Benji Marshall on their books - give the impression that if everything clicks they could make run at the title this season. It is only a couple of weeks to the premiership kick-off now. The days are long, the preparation is intense and the aim clear.

''We're always building to try to get to that point of winning a premiership,'' Sheens says. ''You've got to win enough games along the way to put yourself in a position to play finals football and be a genuine chance, and then you've got to be able to take that extra step.

''It's not easy to do, there's a lot of hard work involved and a lot of stepping stones, but it's what you're in business for as a professional coach. If you take a team on, then on behalf of your club and your supporters and your sponsors, it's about trying to win it.''

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-dulled-sheens-steely-edge-20100226-p904.html
 

chunk

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You didn't answer my question.

No doubt I will be very disappointed but it would depend on the circumstances.

I suppose it comes down to what your satisfied with.

I'll take a consistent team who always give you bang for your buck.

A happy club with no issues, unlike many other clubs in the NRL.

A club who has always put in and who execised a number of demons a few years a go.

I'm happy I got a club to support who play a great brand of footy.

Even though they haven't made the eight they always have given themselves a chance

Carn the Tiges!!!
 

N.C.

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No doubt I will be very disappointed but it would depend on the circumstances.

I suppose it comes down to what your satisfied with.

I'll take a consistent team who always give you bang for your buck.

A happy club with no issues,
unlike many other clubs in the NRL.

A club who has always put in and who execised a number of demons a few years a go.

I'm happy I got a club to support who play a great brand of footy.

Even though they haven't made the eight they always have given themselves a chance

Carn the Tiges!!!

The sad part is I actually believe you are serious...
 
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No doubt I will be very disappointed but it would depend on the circumstances.

I suppose it comes down to what your satisfied with.

I'll take a consistent team who always give you bang for your buck.

A happy club with no issues, unlike many other clubs in the NRL.

A club who has always put in and who execised a number of demons a few years a go.

I'm happy I got a club to support who play a great brand of footy.

Even though they haven't made the eight they always have given themselves a chance

Carn the Tiges!!!

most coaches usually get sacked after not making the finals in 2-3 years,sheens hasnt made the finals in 4 years and if we miss out this year u still want him as coach
how can u be serious :roll:
 

Ninja

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No doubt I will be very disappointed but it would depend on the circumstances.

I suppose it comes down to what your satisfied with.

I'll take a consistent team who always give you bang for your buck.

A happy club with no issues, unlike many other clubs in the NRL.

A club who has always put in and who execised a number of demons a few years a go.

I'm happy I got a club to support who play a great brand of footy.

Even though they haven't made the eight they always have given themselves a chance

Carn the Tiges!!!


Mr Sheens, if you're going to post on a fan forum, try to make your identity a little less obvious
 

scarcev

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People on here would rather buy Souths memberships than Tigers ones....ha ha hardy effin har. Go buy a souths membership then. What have they done, 50,000 walk over a bridge to get them back and they cant get 10,000 to a game, theyve got players that turn up over there as class acts and then forget how to play football. Unlike Melbourne who turn average players into rep players this mob turns rep players into ordinary players. You complain about Sheens' recent record, then look at souths recent record. You blokes are kidding yourselves.

Bag our mob for sure, thats your right, but to say you'd go support or get a membership for Souths cos they are 'heading in the right direction or you like what they are doing' mate thats when I know youve been walking past Callan Pk without walking in the doors for too long.
 
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