Another Shambles in Italy

[Raider Ultra]

Man U fans are merkins anyway.

 

[ParraDude_Jay]

I can vouch from first hand experience that the security at Stadio Olimpico is a joke, but that said, People have to realise that it is not Manchester and English fans that turn up singing their smart ar5e songs and looking for trouble are going to get it. I would not walk down the road in Manchester singing about Alex Fergusson blowing goats without expecting there to be a risk to my health and safety involved.

Oh so it's justified then? It's OK to knife rival fans if they are singing songs about your sports team?

Edit: And get over yourself with calling people racist, P.C. arsehole.

 

[Dragonsforthewin]

too many sensitive guys here, id say it comes with that new metro trend..

 

[President Lee]

Oh so it's justified then? It's OK to knife rival fans if they are singing songs about your sports team?

Edit: And get over yourself with calling people racist, P.C. arsehole.

No it is not ok to knife people, but if you stick your head in a crocodile's mouth and it bites it off, then it is more your fault than the crocodile's.

You get over yourself you bigoted merkin - all australians are whining pillocks!

Did I say anything wrong?

 

[Dragooner]

95% of people who make even remotely 'racist' comments on this forum are completely bullsh*ting and are just poking fun at you. Don't take offence to it. If I go...

Italians are mother f*cking merkins because they knocked Australia out of the World Cup

Now is everyone gonna start calling me a racist sh*t for a comment that has no meaning what so ever. Everyone here is a keyboard hero. They type sh*t that has no meaning. Get over it or go and f*cking cry you babies.

 

[fish eel]

Oh so it's justified then? It's OK to knife rival fans if they are singing songs about your sports team?

Edit: And get over yourself with calling people racist, P.C. arsehole.

Dude, didnt they get knifed on the bridge they were told to stay away from?

The same bridge that they left a police escort to cross knowing the roma ultra's were going t be there?

Sure.....they were just signing songs.....:sarcasm:

 

[ParraDude_Jay]

No it is not ok to knife people, but if you stick your head in a crocodile's mouth and it bites it off, then it is more your fault than the crocodile's.

You get over yourself you bigoted merkin - all australians are whining pillocks!

Did I say anything wrong?

You don't like Aussies? Well you know where the door is. I also find it ironic you'd call someone racist and then one post later make a slur against Australians, on an Australian forum no less.

Dude, didnt they get knifed on the bridge they were told to stay away from?

The same bridge that they left a police escort to cross knowing the roma ultra's were going t be there?

Sure.....they were just signing songs.....:sarcasm:

I'm not trying to defend them, I agree they asked for trouble but the fact that Italian football fans are carrying knives deserves more attention than anything the United supporters did (unless of course the United fans had weapons of their own). What has the sport come to when a public bridge that leads to a ground is off limits because of all the psychos who cause trouble on it?

 

[President Lee]

You don't like Aussies? Well you know where the door is. I also find it ironic you'd call someone racist and then one post later make a slur against Australians, on an Australian forum no less.

Thanks for proving my point. When people are slurring all Italians, to object is to be a PC @rsehole, yet when someone slurs Australians you show them the door.

Double standard?

 

[ParraDude_Jay]

So you don't see what's wrong with living in this country and not tolerating Australians? I don't think it was a particularly racist comment, you're just being over sensitive. Hell when the people he's calling arseholes are sticking knives into foreigners for supporting the opposition I think it's at least a little bit warranted, fair?

And for the record I don't have any problem with Italians myself, I'm actually going to learn the language this year with a view to spending a year over there down the track.

 

[President Lee]

So you don't see what's wrong with living in this country and not tolerating Australians? I don't think it was a particularly racist comment, you're just being over sensitive. Hell when the people he's calling arseholes are sticking knives into foreigners for supporting the opposition I think it's at least a little bit warranted, fair?

And for the record I don't have any problem with Italians myself, I'm actually going to learn the language this year with a view to spending a year over there down the track.

1. I don't live in Australia.

2. I don't actually have any problem with Australians. [EDIT: I am a Sharks fan for goodness sake] What I was trying to do was to demonstrate that some of the things that are said about Italians on this forum are hurtful, I had hoped (clearly in vain) that when similar things are said about Australians it would make poeple stop and think that it is not cool to make blanket statements about a race or nationality that are offensive.

3. "Italians are arseholes" is a rascist statement. If you don't believe me, look up the word 'rascist' in the dictionary. "All Italians should be gassed in concentration camps" (as said by dragonsforthewin in this thread a couple of pages ago) is rascist, sure. But it is beyond rascist. So far beyond it is indefensible. So indefensible that I can't believe you are defending it.

4. I hope you get over to Italy. You will love it. Make sure you get to a big Serie A or Champions League game while you are there. It is the thrill of a lifetime. At least it was for me. You won't see any trouble if you heed warnings and don't go looking for it. Get to the games nice and early. Don't wear team colors until you get inside the stadium. Make sure you get seats in the areas occupied with the fans of the team you plan to cheer for. Even better, sit with the Ultras of a big team like Roma. The singing rings in your ears for days afterwards. I also reccommend getting along to a lower league game - Serie C2 or lower. The atmosphere is different but jst as exciting as Serie A and it is a real insight into Italian football culture.

 

[Bumble]

4. I hope you get over to Italy. You will love it. Make sure you get to a big Serie A or Champions League game while you are there. It is the thrill of a lifetime. At least it was for me. You won't see any trouble if you heed warnings and don't go looking for it. Get to the games nice and early. Don't wear team colors until you get inside the stadium. Make sure you get seats in the areas occupied with the fans of the team you plan to cheer for. Even better, sit with the Ultras of a big team like Roma. The singing rings in your ears for days afterwards. I also reccommend getting along to a lower league game - Serie C2 or lower. The atmosphere is different but jst as exciting as Serie A and it is a real insight into Italian football culture.

Just make sure you follow the right team or get stabbed

Italian football "culture" = pathetic joke

 

[ParraDude_Jay]

1. I don't live in Australia.

Actually I was thinking maybe you didn't, fair enough then I shouldn't have assumed.

3. "Italians are arseholes" is a rascist statement. If you don't believe me, look up the word 'rascist' in the dictionary. "All Italians should be gassed in concentration camps" (as said by dragonsforthewin in this thread a couple of pages ago) is rascist, sure. But it is beyond rascist. So far beyond it is indefensible. So indefensible that I can't believe you are defending it.

I haven't defended anyone calling for Italians to be gassed as far as I know. I just don't think calling Italians arseholes is racist. My real problem is how defensive people are over non-English speaking cultures being insulted. I could say "Americans/Pommies are arseholes" and nobody would care or call me racist, but as soon as you drag a race of people into it that don't speak the same language as you or have a different skin colour, they want you in jail. That's my problem with the P.C. nonsense in general, but I apologise for taking a shot at you over it.

And getting to a few football matches is definitely on the agenda for Italy, a few people now have told me the lower league atmospheres are some of the best to be had so I'm really looking foward to it.

 

[President Lee]

Actually I was thinking maybe you didn't, fair enough then I shouldn't have assumed.

I haven't defended anyone calling for Italians to be gassed as far as I know. I just don't think calling Italians arseholes is racist. My real problem is how defensive people are over non-English speaking cultures being insulted. I could say "Americans/Pommies are arseholes" and nobody would care or call me racist, but as soon as you drag a race of people into it that don't speak the same language as you or have a different skin colour, they want you in jail. That's my problem with the P.C. nonsense in general, but I apologise for taking a shot at you over it.

And getting to a few football matches is definitely on the agenda for Italy, a few people now have told me the lower league atmospheres are some of the best to be had so I'm really looking foward to it.

I accept your apology and I accept that you were not defending the comment about the gas chambers. That comment was a big part of where I was coming from with my original post. The Italians are arseholes one I would have let go if it was not for the other one. But nobody should have to read about how they should be sent to their death because of their anscestry.

Yes there are problems in Italy but saying all Italians are at fault for this is like saying that all Australians are to blamefor the Cronulla riots. I am just sick of it, thats all.

At the risk of this turning into a debate more suited to the 4 corners forum, I agree with you if you are saying that people should be consistant and not tolerate rascism no matter the skin color of who it is directed at. It is not about being PC or restricting freedom of individuals to say whatever they want, it is about caring about other people. Just because you have the right to say something does not mean you should. I have the right to support the Dragons, but that would still be a stupid thing to do.

If I call an English person a pom, I don't mean it in a derogatory way, but I have come across a lot of Poms who hate that word and when you use it to describe them, they hate it. So I don't do it. That is not being P.C. it is just not wanting to upset people just because I have to be a big man and say whatever I feel like.

But anyway, you seem like a nice person and I am sorry if anything I said has upset you.

 

[President Lee]

Just make sure you follow the right team or get stabbed

Italian football "culture" = pathetic joke

I have been to 3 games in Italy including a derby between Roma and Lazio and I never saw a single act of violence. Nothing. Zip. Zilch.

I was cheering my lungs out for Roma and waving a scarf around while standing less than 20 metres away from the Lazio supporters. There was no danger at all.

What I did not do was go up to the Lazio fans and talk smack. I did not go on their side of the stadium. I did not throw anything at them. I did not go to where they were exiting the stadium after the game and gloat about how my team won. Miraculously, I never got a scratch on me.

The Manchester fans were there to pick a fight. Fact. Time for you to accept it and move on.

Why don't you go over there and experience it for yourself before you talk such rubbish?