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ARU must go

skeepe

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With the disgraceful decision to sack Eddie Jones, coupled with the disastrous plan to re-introduce the Ricoh Cup instead of a much needed national club competition, it has become apparent that the ARU are nothing but a bunch of incompetent fools. They must go NOW for the good of the game.

FLOWERS OUT! KUMAR OUT! NOW!
 

skeepe

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The Ricoh Cup in the past was a tri-series involving Queensland, NSW and ACT players who weren't involved with the Wallabies. It failed miserably.

Now, they want to revive the concept with the 4 teams, plus 2 from Japan. How is that going to help develop Australian players?
 

Timbo

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The teams from Japan might not even feature now.

I'm working with several Kiwi's at the moment and they're baffled as to why we havent got an NPC style competition going here. It's a must needed developmental step for our semi-elite players but the ARU keeps sitting on its hands.
 

strong_latte

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Timbo said:
The teams from Japan might not even feature now.

I'm working with several Kiwi's at the moment and they're baffled as to why we havent got an NPC style competition going here. It's a must needed developmental step for our semi-elite players but the ARU keeps sitting on its hands.

Those fools should never have let John O'Neil go! He would have built us a national comp to rival the NPC!
 

blackfriday

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well look at what john o'neil has done for football aka. soccer. i dont know about you, but i think he has cleaned the administration up really well. im not going to sit here speculating on what o'neil could have done, we should be asking ourselves what can flowers do for australian rugby? his problem is that he was afraid of eddie jones and took no liberty at eddie surrounding himself 'yes sir, two bags full, sir' type of support staff.
 

Jackal Dog

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skeepe said:
With the disgraceful decision to sack Eddie Jones, coupled with the disastrous plan to re-introduce the Ricoh Cup instead of a much needed national club competition, it has become apparent that the ARU are nothing but a bunch of incompetent fools. They must go NOW for the good of the game.

FLOWERS OUT! KUMAR OUT! NOW!

For once I agree with you Skeepe, the ARU are bunch of elists wankers who do nothing for the game instead of Rugby growing in this country it is going backwards! Since Gary Flowers has taken over the job he has done nothing constructive at all.
 
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About the club comp idea: do the S12 teams have junior sides, or B teams, or reserve grade teams or whatever you call them? If so, do they play each other to mirror the scedule of the main clubs? If not, why don't they do that to as a developmental thing to fulfill the purpose of a club comp?
 

eastsrule

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John O'Neill saw the 'Rugby Revolution' after our World Cup win in 1999...

He organised the 2003 World Cup.

He had plans to do solid things to develop local talent and interest in the sport. These initiatives were toomuch for the ARU's conservative board. O'Neill should never have been fired, nor Carroll.

Flowers has done nothing and him playing the nice guy is the reason why this Eddie Jones scenario has become so dirty. Although, I do agree Jones had to be fired!

The NSWRU has been equally as bad. The battle to make Rugby a prominant fixture in the media and Australian hearts is an uphill batte. And that is forgetting that in 12 months the soccer team are going to their first world cup in 30 years....
 

blackfriday

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o'neil was never fired, he was poached by lowy to go to soccer. they could never fire someone like him and live to tell the tale.
 

Jackal Dog

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We don't need O'Neal back, we just need someone who has the balls to try new things and who can "unite the tribes" as they say cause at the moment the state unions(NSWRU, QRU) cannont come to a agreement on anything!
 

skeepe

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blackfriday said:
o'neil was never fired, he was poached by lowy to go to soccer. they could never fire someone like him and live to tell the tale.

Not entirely true. Kumar and the NSW rugby faction wanted him out, and they had the numbers to oust him.
 

aussies1st

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We need anyone that can see a super 4 competition is NOT a domestic comp. We need someone that can get our front row up to scrap which could come from a better domestic comp.
 

skeepe

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Reds revolt topples ARU chairman

By Roy Masters
Friday, December 9, 2005

A QUEENSLAND-LED coup unseated ARU chairman Dilip Kumar yesterday after criticism of him following the recent IRB meeting that awarded the 2011 Rugby World Cup to New Zealand.

Kumar supported Japan's bid to host the tournament but the Kiwis believed he had promised it to them in the eventual 12-9 ballot. Their wrath is such that the ARU feared New Zealand would not back Australia's push for a fifth team when the Super 14 competition next expands.

Australia wants a fifth Super 14 franchise in Melbourne to provide a nationwide spread of the code. But any Australian expansion would be conditional on the support of New Zealand, which, along with South Africa and Australia, comprises the competition's governing body, SANZAR.

Kumar was also the target of criticism following last week's dismissal of Wallabies coach Eddie Jones, with claims he had leaked information. As a NSW representative on the ARU board and a former chairman of the NSWRU, Kumar's decision to quit as chairman may dent Waratahs coach Ewen McKenzie's ambitions of taking over from Jones.

"There was unwarranted personal criticism of Dilip when the ARU board chose to support Japan's bid for the Rugby World Cup 2011," ARU president Paul McLean said in a statement. "The ARU board remains committed to its decision to support Japan's bid."

With the ARU to take over the secretariat of SANZAR next year, Kumar had decided to quit his role as chairman to try to ensure a smooth transition, the ARU said.

Kumar said his decision was in the best interests of Australian rugby but declined to comment further. When yesterday's meeting began at 1pm, Queensland's three delegates - Ben Kehoe, David Usasz, Robin Thompson - planned to move against Kumar and had the support of the ACT's Peter McGrath.

However, this counted for only four votes on the nine-man board and the rebels were intent on wooing chief executive Gary Flowers or Travis Hall, the players' association representative, or even convincing one of Kumar's two NSW colleagues - Mike Brown and Ron Graham - to desert his chairman.

As the bitter meeting progressed, Flowers made it clear he did not want to politicise the process and left the room, concerned he would be caught in the crossfire. He, along with Kumar, left and rejoined the meeting at intervals.

Eventually, the board made it clear Kumar's position was untenable and he stood down at 5pm before a vote was necessary. He will remain a member of the board but is expected to retire early next year.

Publicity over Jones's role after Australia lost eight of their past nine Tests created friction between Kumar and Flowers, who is now seen as secure in his position. Flowers took it upon himself to sack Jones before Kumar could come over the top and emerge as the ARU strong man.

However, influential figures in the corporate and marketing world are looking to attract former chief executive John O'Neill back to the code. Kumar and former ARU chairman Bob Tuckey were the two officials responsible for O'Neill's departure by mutual consent following the successful staging of the 2003 Rugby World Cup by Australia.

O'Neill is still bitter both had told him he did not have the support of the board, yet he subsequently discovered the matter had not gone to the directors.
It is understood O'Neill could be wooed back only if he was offered an executive chairman's role of the type his close friend John Coates enjoys as AOC president.

O'Neill, now the chief executive of Football Federation Australia, oversaw the Socceroos' recent qualification for next year's World Cup in Germany.

He receives a $1 million salary, enjoys the support of billionaire businessman Frank Lowy, travels extensively and is now a player in the world game. Currently in Germany for the World Cup draw, it would take a huge incentive for him to return to rugby. While the present members of the board were not responsible for his departure, O'Neill would seek a position in which he was not required to report to a table of directors.

Kumar's critics claim he has spent two years on the IRB board and is yet to make a contribution. All three bidding cities for the 2011 World Cup believed they had his vote. One opponent likened him to a good sheep dog, saying: "He works wide and he works quietly."

However, he invoked the rage of sheep-loving New Zealanders by backing Japan, believing it to be in the code's interests. Awarding Japan the tournament would have been a move away from the code's Anglo-Celtic power base and pleased the IOC, which is yet to invite rugby to the Olympics. The 2011 vote was closer than assumed and it angered the Kiwis, who believed they deserved the tournament after being dumped by Australia for 2003. Ireland had promised to support South Africa but the night before the vote South African officials found IRB chairman Syd Millar, a former Irish and British Lions prop, with his arm around All Blacks legend Colin Meads, sharing a pint.

Had Ireland's votes gone to South Africa, they would have moved into the second round ahead of New Zealand. In rugby politics, vengeance is more lethal than the bottom of a ruck.

A new ARU chairman will be elected today.

http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/n...-chairman-kumar/2005/12/08/1133829723943.html

Kumar was a cancer on the game. The sooner he reitres and disappears from view, the better.
 

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