Att MH For Refereeing Ruling

[dragondad]

Hey MH I know your a referee like myself so i thought i might ask this question to you.

Tonight for the Queensland's first try Adam Mogg,Rod Lawrence put his flag up signalling that the kick went in touch in goal.Now myself as a touchjudge,I always got told that the touchjudge is the one that controls the sidelines so you as a referee have to go on his descision.Since Rod put his flag up isn't it a fact that Steve as an imperative must rule that Mogg went out in touch in goal and cannot go upstairs?

Or has there been a rule change that even if the flag goes up the referee can go to the video and overrule the touchie?

 

[skeepe]

The referee has been overruling his touchies ever since the video ref came into play... just to double-check. Clark was well within his rights to do so.

The point is, that the touchie is supposed to wave his flag whenever the ball crosses the line, regardless of what has gone on before. Of course, most of the time it doesn't happen that way, there's no need if the touchie knows a legitimate try has been scored.

Just as a side note, the touchie in question in fact erred with his signal. If he was of the belief that Mogg was out, as it was in touch in goal he should have waved his flag in a figure eight motion and pointed to the 20 metre line. As it is, he simply raised the flag, which is only supposed to be used for crossing the touch line, not the touch in goal line.

Unless my eyes were deceiving me at that point of course. That's how I saw it.

 

[Captain Clark]

Well done Clarky!

 

[The Preacher]

The touchie gave the correct signal, the figure 8, and the rule hasn't changed, where it states that a referee cannot overrule a touchie on matters concerning the touch lines.
Clark simply ignored him.:shock:

 

[Dr Crane]

It happens regularly.

 

[skeepe]

The touchie gave the correct signal, the figure 8, and the rule hasn't changed, where it states that a referee cannot overrule a touchie on matters concerning the touch lines.
Clark simply ignored him.:shock:

I need to get my eyes checked. I thought I saw him raise the flag.

 

[The Preacher]

I need to get my eyes checked. I thought I saw him raise the flag.

It's quite strange really. For some reason during one of the many replay's I concentrated solely on the touchie to see his reaction. He definately had the flag at waist height, waving it back and forth across his body.
Not being a fan of administrators or officials, this was a one-off thing for me to do, and he definately gave the right signal.
I'm going to check the replay on bigpond just to make sure, but I think you'll find I'm right skeepe.

 

[jc155776]

Stop trying to find excuses. Try was fair.

 

[dragondad]

It definately was a Figure 8 motion

 

[Danish]

Stop trying to find excuses. Try was fair.

Precisely....



How can anyone complain about the correct decision being made???

 

[The Preacher]

Stop trying to find excuses. Try was fair.

Who's trying to find excuses ?? We were discussing the touchies role and reaction. Yes it was a try, nobody says it wasn't.
Get back under the house and stop this northern inferiority complex that seems to be in existence in everyone north of the Tweed, whether they win or not. FFS, Queensland won, and would've been extremely stiff if beaten.
QLD are S.O.O '06 Champions. Be happy.](*,)

And as for you Danish, you wouldn't know if a tram was up you 'til someone rang the bell to get off.
Who said here that it wasn't a try. Is your little outburst due to the fact that your hens failed to get a starter in the NSW side. Get your head out of your bum and look at things properly before you start your usual dribble. =P~

 

[***MH***]

I'll quote the International Laws that you are refering to...

SECTION 16
DUTIES OF REFEREE AND TOUCH JUDGES

Enforce Laws
2. The Referees shall enforce the Laws of the Game and
may impose penalties for any deliberate breach of
the Laws. He shall be the sole judge on matters of
fact except those relating to touch and touch in-goal.

Accept Touch Judge decision
10. The Referee shall accept the decision of an official
Touch Judge relating to touch and touch in-goal play
and to kicks at goal.

Under those laws, you could assume that the touch judge can't be overuled by the referee. However, the rulebook does not provide the protocols of consulting the Video Referee for such decisions. The only related rule that I could find was;

Consult Touch Judge
Notes 2. Before giving a decision, it is permissible for the Referee to consult either or both Touch Judges.

Now, as far as I am aware, touch judges in the Grade Squads are usually instructed to refrain from making ingoal decisions where a try is imminent so that the referee may forward the matter on to the Video Referee for a closer look. Usually at this stage, the touch judge would give the Referee an opinion of what he saw to take into account if Refs Call comes back as the Video decision.

So this week, you could expect that Rod would would get a kick up the butt from Stoney and the other referee coaches for making any signal at all.

But at park level this weekend DragonDad, I hope that you'll stick with your Touch Judges decision!

 

[dragondad]

Well i was right

Got a crack at U14s which is pretty hard for me because it is only 1 year younger than me and i have to be 2 years older to officiate in that age.

 

[VictorTheViking]

Who cares whether or not the touchie made the correct call, what he didnt do was pick up on any of the forearms nsw were using in the tackles while on the ground, sweet justice as far as im concerned.

 

[dragondad]

Who cares whether or not the touchie made the correct call, what he didnt do was pick up on any of the forearms nsw were using in the tackles while on the ground, sweet justice as far as im concerned.

And you are saying Queensland didnt?

Tate was penalised early on for going out of his way to put a blatant forearm on Gallen in the tackle.

 

[jc155776]

Who's trying to find excuses ?? We were discussing the touchies role and reaction. Yes it was a try, nobody says it wasn't.
Get back under the house and stop this northern inferiority complex that seems to be in existence in everyone north of the Tweed, whether they win or not. FFS, Queensland won, and would've been extremely stiff if beaten.
QLD are S.O.O '06 Champions. Be happy.](*,)

Im a NSW supporter wanker and was embarressed during that match for being one. Just because one lives somewhere doesnt mean they are of a certain allegience.

 

[The Preacher]

Im a NSW supporter wanker and was embarressed during that match for being one. Just because one lives somewhere doesnt mean they are of a certain allegience.

So who said it was not a fair try. Dragondad is a young bloke that is running the line and blowing the whistle. He was asking an older referee for a rule interpretation, he didn't say it was not a fair try. Open your eyes and read before you go off on another tangent jc. NOBODY SAID IT WASN'T A FAIR TRY !! UNDERSTAND !!:x

 

[VictorTheViking]

And you are saying Queensland didnt?

Tate was penalised early on for going out of his way to put a blatant forearm on Gallen in the tackle.

I never said we didnt, what I was trying to say was that NSW never got penalised for it, elbows, forearms, swinging arms, they did it all, never got stung once.

 

[jc155776]

So who said it was not a fair try. Dragondad is a young bloke that is running the line and blowing the whistle. He was asking an older referee for a rule interpretation, he didn't say it was not a fair try. Open your eyes and read before you go off on another tangent jc. NOBODY SAID IT WASN'T A FAIR TRY !! UNDERSTAND !!:x

Okay I can understand that much. Just sick of the sour grapes everywhere and this appeared similar.

I am sure that in a game without viedo refs and the like the touchie makes the call or what not, but this is completely different from that. The rules governing the refereeing of top line matches in the NRL, ARL and hell even QRL are altered to take into account the extra technology available.