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Aussie NPC?

aussies1st

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parra_panther said:
The Ricoh Challenge, or something like that. Agreed. It was more an after thought, following the Super 12, was played during the international season, and not surprisingly generated f*** all interest.

That was the one, I was wondering WTF was going on when they were doing it. We were already all Super 12'd out so seeing the same 3 teams playing each other was plain boring.
 

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The problem with a strong semi -pro comp is the travel cost factor(even the A league is a 1st division soccer),the playing standard,there may well be enough support in NSW and Qld but a lower grade comp including WA Vic and SA who would care.In WA they are interested in s12/14 and tests full stop.The tooheys comp was going to do something,it is just coasting along and only the loyal follow it anyway.SA and NZ are different they have a big grassroots spread and support over their countries Oz doesnt.
 

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If we do get a aussie "NPC" hopefully the quality will be better than the Tooheys Cup, I tuned in to the semi-final between Manly and Eastwood yesterday and my god it was bad......
 

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*Sigh* looks like nothing has really changed NSW and the rest of the unions are at odds: http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2005/09/11/1126377197466.html?oneclick=true

There seems to be 2 different proposals on the table:

1. APC: this is basically the Super 8 NSW & QLD are against this
2. Revised Toohey's New Cup: this would feature 6 NSW teams, 3 QLD teams, 1 WA, 1 ACT, 1 VIC it seems only NSW are fond of this idea.

Personally I am in favour of the second, but it must be done right turn the clubs into franchises no more Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood etc. cause no one cares about them with adequate advertising this will attract people to the game.

Allow a small numebr of imports (say a max of 4 per a side?) to increase the competitiveness and quality of the competition one of the ARU's policies has always been to only allow homegrown players in their competitions this is all well and good but honestly we don't have the depth to produce quality players as fast as SA and NZ can and besides imagine the publicity a few high profile players could generate like a Brian O'Driscoll, Johnny Wilkison.

Like the A-League has done we must "unite the tribes" as John O'Neal would say.
 

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It better get better as I don't think we can win another World Cup like this. We badly need to get a front row up to international standard. We have a lot of depth in the backs but the forward pack is a major worry.
 

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The problem with option 2 is that the ARU would insist that NSW include teams from Woolongong, Central Coast and Newcastle, leaving 3 spots for Sydney.

The Sydney clubs would probably be very insistant that 3 Sydney clubs are elevated to APC status, which would result in bitter infighting, as this APC is the NSWRU and Sydney Club brainchild anyway.

They just need to start the bloody thing fresh. Whilst it's nice going to Coogee Oval and watching the Wicks play of a weekend, it's not the same as professional sport.
 

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What I would like to see is the 6 teams be combinations/mergers of the current existing ones (eg. Parra and Penrith merge into one team)
 

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Hmmmmm ok having read that it appears to be a 'damn the provincial centres' approach and stick with established sides.

How on earth would they decide who stayed and who went? In Sydney, I imagine Ranwick, Eastwood and Uni would get through, as they're the power bases, probably Norths and Souths too so they can cover the demographics.

I have no idea how they'd choose the Brisbane clubs, and I just don't know enough about the Brisbane club system to know where the power bases are.

This would create a serious problem for the NSWRU IMO. If clubs like Easts, Parramatta, West Harbour are suddently relegated to a local competition with other second tier clubs (such as Drummoyne) whilst Randwick and co. go on to national competition then I think they'd be left with a lot of disgruntled rugby fans.

Also, there's a stadium issue IMO. At the moment, only West Harbour plays out of a NRL Standard stadium, in Concord Oval. (I imagine this competition would require similar standards to the NRL) Places like Milner and Pittwater Park are of reasonable standard but definitely not up to scratch, venues such as University and Coogee are definitely sub-par. I imagine there would be similar problems in Brisbane.

With all the time they've had to get this thing going I hope that if/when it gets going next year it isn't totally half-baked.
 

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As I said I would scrap the existing teams and start new "Franchises" which have a number of clubs to draw from as their player base, it is the exact same the system the South African S12 sides use every team bar the Sharks draw players from 2 or more provinces.
 

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War looms over provincial competition

By James MacSmith
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The NSWRU is set for a showdown with the other Australian provinces and the ARU over plans for a national provincial competition.

The union reckons the move could be a financial disaster and will kill off the game at grassroots level.

With Australian rugby in a minor crisis after five successive Wallabies losses, there is broad agreement that another tier of rugby, below Super 14 and similar to New Zealand's NPC and South Africa's Currie Cup tournaments, needs to be developed to foster depth in the code.

But NSW officials are at loggerheads with the ARU and two rival provinces over what shape the new model should take.

Plans for an Australian Provincial Competition, involving teams from NSW, Queensland, ACT, WA, Japan and the Pacific Islands, have been floated since May, and there were hopes it would be signed off at a meeting of rugby chief executives in Sydney tomorrow.


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This will now not happen.

There are significant fears the APC is little more than a rehash of the defunct Ricoh Championship, that it will struggle to attract sponsors and fans and will kill off club rugby through a player drain.

Significant moves, however, have been made behind the scenes to bring a national club competition much closer to reality.

The Sun-Herald understands Sydney club bosses have, after years of opposition, taken significant steps towards a rationalisation of the Tooheys New Cup, Australia's leading club competition.

One proposal is for a 12-team competition, with six teams from Sydney, three from the Queensland (mostly likely the Brisbane club competition) and one each from Perth, Melbourne and Canberra. Powerful Sydney clubs such as Sydney University and Eastwood would most likely be able to fulfil the mooted criteria on their own, while others, such as Penrith, Parramatta and West Harbour, would need to merge.

NSWRU chief executive Fraser Neill was reluctant to detail any proposals on expanding the Tooheys New Cup into a national competition, but said his union was against the APC proposal.

"The biggest issue we have is that if it doesn't work we have to live with it," he said. "If we kill club rugby off, that will be the end of it, we won't be able to bring it back. You only have one shot at these things - soccer took 18 months working at the A-League but they look to have got it right.

"Everyone agrees we need a new competition but I have big questions about the viability of the APC proposal and whether it will achieve what we want it to. The feeder system has to accommodate where the players come from.

"Of the players in this year's Super 12, 87 per cent came from NSW and Queensland. The players have an attachment to the clubs and the clubs are a vital part of rugby in this country, something that we need to keep alive. And the feedback from the players about the proposed competition is, 'What does it mean to win it?'."

Neill said he expected the Western Force and the Brumbies would support the proposed APC, while Queensland was likely to join the NSWRU in opposing it.

"If I was Perth or the Brumbies I would be going all out insisting it happen, but we have big doubts about it," he said.

Brumbies chief executive Rob Clarke said he expected heated talks between the provinces and the ARU over the matter.

"There is sure to be spirited discussion on the topic but we have to make sure we do what is best for Australian rugby," he said.



http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au
 

bayrep

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Aus cannot afford NOT to do this. NSW rugby has too much power at the Union level to block proposals. There fear that it will kill off grass roots rugby is not a reason to not do something. How do they know it will happen unless they try. The current system isnt working at international level which is what they are trying to improve.
 

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Spot on bayrep. They will never win another game if this doesn't go through. Also how would it kill the grass roots rugby? If the comp is unsuccessful you just go back to normal its not like their current system has the backing of big sponsors.
 

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I'm just afraid it looks like provincial NSW and QLD centres will miss out.

I don't really see it accomplishing much if the ARU only focuses on the capitals.
 

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