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Now i would like to see an actual hall of fame, maybe opened for next years 100 year clebrations but i doubt this is going to happen. People are saying Andrew Johns should skip the normal Hall of Fame and skip straight to Immortal status. Now as Paul Kent stated in thr Daily Telegraph Rugby League Week has decided on who the seven immortals have been.
Now what I would like to see is the Australian Rugby League take ownership of the immortal name and award status in the hall of fame after passing a certain criteria and immortal status after a tougher criteria.
What this criteria may be is up for debate but here are what some of the other sporting bodies decide on who is the next inductee in their hall of fame and what further criteria they may have for their own "immortals"
American football:
Enshrinees are selected by a 39-member committee, largely made up of sportswriters, officially known as the Board of Selector
The Board consists of one media representative from each NFL city,
There are also six at-large delegates (usually cities that lose NFL teams keep representation on the board; Los Angeles is the only current city to have lost an NFL team and not been granted an expansion team), and one representative from the Pro Football Writers of America. Except for the PFWA representative, who is appointed to a two-year term, all other appointments are open-ended and terminated only by death, retirement, or resignation.
Voting procedure
To be eligible for the nominating process, a player must have been retired at least five years, and a coach must be retired. Any other contributor such as a team owner or executive can be elected at any time.
Fans may nominate any player, coach or contributor by simply writing to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The Selection Committee is then polled three times by mail to eventually narrow the list to 25 semifinalists: once in March, one in September, and one in October. In November, the committee then selects 15 finalists by mail balloting.
Nine members of the Selection Committee also serve as a subcommittee known as the Seniors Committee to screen candidates who finished their careers 25 or more years prior. The Seniors Committee then adds two finalists from prior to the modern era, making a final ballot of 17.
The Selection Committee then meets the day before each Super Bowl game to elect a new class. To be elected, a finalist must receive at least 80 percent support from the Board, with at least three, but no more than six, candidates being elected annually.
Baeball:
Players are currently inducted into the Hall of Fame through election by either the Baseball Writers Association of America (or BBWAA), or the Veterans Committee, which is now composed of living Hall of Famers and recipients of the two major awards. Five years after retirement, any player with 10 years of major league experience, who passes a screening committee (which removes from consideration players of clearly lesser qualification) is eligible to be elected by BBWAA members with 10 years' membership or more. From a final ballot typically including 25-40 candidates, each writer may vote for up to 10 players; until the late 1950s, voters were advised to cast votes for the maximum 10 candidates. Any player named on 75% or more of all ballots cast is elected. A player who is named on fewer than 5% of ballots is dropped from future elections. In some instances, the screening committee had restored their names to later ballots, but in the mid-1990s, dropped players were made permanently ineligible for Hall of Fame consideration, even by the Veterans Committee. A 2001 change in the election procedures restored the eligibility of these dropped players; while their names will not appear on future BBWAA ballots, they may be considered by the Veterans Committee.
Under special circumstances, certain players may be deemed eligible for induction even though they have not met all requirements. This has resulted in only two inductions: Lou Gehrig, who was specially elected shortly after the disease ALS ended his career in 1939; and Addie Joss, who was elected in 1978 despite only playing in nine seasons due to his death from meningitis. Additionally, if an otherwise eligible player dies before their fifth year of retirement, then that player may be placed on the ballot at the first election at least six months after their death. Roberto Clemente's induction in 1973 set the precedent, when the writers chose to put him up for consideration after his death on New Year's Eve, 1972, and the shortened waiting period was added thereafter.
If a player fails to be elected by the BBWAA within 20 years of their retirement from active play, he may be selected by the Veterans Committee, which now votes every two years. The Veterans Committee also votes every fourth year on candidates from among managers, umpires, executives or builders.
Aussie Rules
A committee considers candidates on the basis of their ability, integrity, sportsmanship and character. While the number of games played, coached or umpired, or years of service in the case of administrators and media representatives, is a consideration, it alone does not determine eligibility. Players must be retired from the game for at least three years before they become eligible for induction, while coaches, umpires, administrators and media representatives are eligible immediately upon retirement. The committee considers candidates from all the states and territories of Australia and from all Australian Football competitions within Australia.
The following excerpt from the official Hall of Fame website highlights the main criteria used by the committee in selecting inductees to the Hall of Fame
The Committee shall consider a candidates outstanding service and overall contribution to the game of Australian Football in determining a candidates eligibility for induction into the Hall of Fame. Without limiting clause 5.1, the Committee may consider a candidates individual record, ability, integrity, sportsmanship and character. The number of football games played, coached or umpired or the years of service provided shall only be a consideration and shall not be determinative in assessing a candidates eligibility. A player, coach, umpire, administrator or media representative involved at any level of Australian Football may be eligible for induction into the Hall of Fame. Candidates shall be adjudged on the basis of their overall contribution to Australian Football, as opposed to one specific aspect. The Legends category is reserved for those who are deemed to have had a positive impact on the game of Australian rules. The title of Legend is intended to be bestowed on no more than 10% of the total inductees of the Hall of Fame (the actual percentage of "Legends" to total inductees is currently 10.23%). All "Legends" enshrined to date represent former players of the VFL/AFL, with the exception of Barrie Robran who played the whole of his career in the SANFL. Being named as a "Legend" of the Australian Football Hall of Fame is the highest honour which can be bestowed onto an Australian footballer.
the following are allready members of the australian rugby league hall of fame:
2002
Clive churchill (immortal), Reg Gasnier (immortal), Johhny Raper, (immortal), Graeme Langlands (immortal), Bob Fulton (immortal), Wally Lewis (immortal)
2003
Dally Messnager, Dave Brown, Wally Prigg, Keith Holman, Arthur Beetson (immortal), Mal Meninga
2004
Hary Bath, Norm Provan, Ken Irvine Harry Holder, Frank Burge, Vic Hey
2005
Jimmy Craig, Chris McKivat, Duncan Thompson, Brian Bevan, Brian Carlson, Ron Coote
2006
Ken Kearney, Sid Pearce, Charles Fraser, George Treweek, Duncan Hall, Peter Sterling
Now what I would like to see is the Australian Rugby League take ownership of the immortal name and award status in the hall of fame after passing a certain criteria and immortal status after a tougher criteria.
What this criteria may be is up for debate but here are what some of the other sporting bodies decide on who is the next inductee in their hall of fame and what further criteria they may have for their own "immortals"
American football:
Enshrinees are selected by a 39-member committee, largely made up of sportswriters, officially known as the Board of Selector
The Board consists of one media representative from each NFL city,
There are also six at-large delegates (usually cities that lose NFL teams keep representation on the board; Los Angeles is the only current city to have lost an NFL team and not been granted an expansion team), and one representative from the Pro Football Writers of America. Except for the PFWA representative, who is appointed to a two-year term, all other appointments are open-ended and terminated only by death, retirement, or resignation.
Voting procedure
To be eligible for the nominating process, a player must have been retired at least five years, and a coach must be retired. Any other contributor such as a team owner or executive can be elected at any time.
Fans may nominate any player, coach or contributor by simply writing to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The Selection Committee is then polled three times by mail to eventually narrow the list to 25 semifinalists: once in March, one in September, and one in October. In November, the committee then selects 15 finalists by mail balloting.
Nine members of the Selection Committee also serve as a subcommittee known as the Seniors Committee to screen candidates who finished their careers 25 or more years prior. The Seniors Committee then adds two finalists from prior to the modern era, making a final ballot of 17.
The Selection Committee then meets the day before each Super Bowl game to elect a new class. To be elected, a finalist must receive at least 80 percent support from the Board, with at least three, but no more than six, candidates being elected annually.
Baeball:
Players are currently inducted into the Hall of Fame through election by either the Baseball Writers Association of America (or BBWAA), or the Veterans Committee, which is now composed of living Hall of Famers and recipients of the two major awards. Five years after retirement, any player with 10 years of major league experience, who passes a screening committee (which removes from consideration players of clearly lesser qualification) is eligible to be elected by BBWAA members with 10 years' membership or more. From a final ballot typically including 25-40 candidates, each writer may vote for up to 10 players; until the late 1950s, voters were advised to cast votes for the maximum 10 candidates. Any player named on 75% or more of all ballots cast is elected. A player who is named on fewer than 5% of ballots is dropped from future elections. In some instances, the screening committee had restored their names to later ballots, but in the mid-1990s, dropped players were made permanently ineligible for Hall of Fame consideration, even by the Veterans Committee. A 2001 change in the election procedures restored the eligibility of these dropped players; while their names will not appear on future BBWAA ballots, they may be considered by the Veterans Committee.
Under special circumstances, certain players may be deemed eligible for induction even though they have not met all requirements. This has resulted in only two inductions: Lou Gehrig, who was specially elected shortly after the disease ALS ended his career in 1939; and Addie Joss, who was elected in 1978 despite only playing in nine seasons due to his death from meningitis. Additionally, if an otherwise eligible player dies before their fifth year of retirement, then that player may be placed on the ballot at the first election at least six months after their death. Roberto Clemente's induction in 1973 set the precedent, when the writers chose to put him up for consideration after his death on New Year's Eve, 1972, and the shortened waiting period was added thereafter.
If a player fails to be elected by the BBWAA within 20 years of their retirement from active play, he may be selected by the Veterans Committee, which now votes every two years. The Veterans Committee also votes every fourth year on candidates from among managers, umpires, executives or builders.
Aussie Rules
A committee considers candidates on the basis of their ability, integrity, sportsmanship and character. While the number of games played, coached or umpired, or years of service in the case of administrators and media representatives, is a consideration, it alone does not determine eligibility. Players must be retired from the game for at least three years before they become eligible for induction, while coaches, umpires, administrators and media representatives are eligible immediately upon retirement. The committee considers candidates from all the states and territories of Australia and from all Australian Football competitions within Australia.
The following excerpt from the official Hall of Fame website highlights the main criteria used by the committee in selecting inductees to the Hall of Fame
The Committee shall consider a candidates outstanding service and overall contribution to the game of Australian Football in determining a candidates eligibility for induction into the Hall of Fame. Without limiting clause 5.1, the Committee may consider a candidates individual record, ability, integrity, sportsmanship and character. The number of football games played, coached or umpired or the years of service provided shall only be a consideration and shall not be determinative in assessing a candidates eligibility. A player, coach, umpire, administrator or media representative involved at any level of Australian Football may be eligible for induction into the Hall of Fame. Candidates shall be adjudged on the basis of their overall contribution to Australian Football, as opposed to one specific aspect. The Legends category is reserved for those who are deemed to have had a positive impact on the game of Australian rules. The title of Legend is intended to be bestowed on no more than 10% of the total inductees of the Hall of Fame (the actual percentage of "Legends" to total inductees is currently 10.23%). All "Legends" enshrined to date represent former players of the VFL/AFL, with the exception of Barrie Robran who played the whole of his career in the SANFL. Being named as a "Legend" of the Australian Football Hall of Fame is the highest honour which can be bestowed onto an Australian footballer.
the following are allready members of the australian rugby league hall of fame:
2002
Clive churchill (immortal), Reg Gasnier (immortal), Johhny Raper, (immortal), Graeme Langlands (immortal), Bob Fulton (immortal), Wally Lewis (immortal)
2003
Dally Messnager, Dave Brown, Wally Prigg, Keith Holman, Arthur Beetson (immortal), Mal Meninga
2004
Hary Bath, Norm Provan, Ken Irvine Harry Holder, Frank Burge, Vic Hey
2005
Jimmy Craig, Chris McKivat, Duncan Thompson, Brian Bevan, Brian Carlson, Ron Coote
2006
Ken Kearney, Sid Pearce, Charles Fraser, George Treweek, Duncan Hall, Peter Sterling
