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Balmain Tigers League club development trouble?

Borat.

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http://www.smh.com.au/national/pressure-on-keneally-for-a-decision-on-metro-20100205-niqn.html



THE Keneally government is in a stand-off with the Balmain Tigers Leagues Club over the fate of the controversial proposed metro line to Rozelle.
The club's chairman, David Trodden, yesterday tried to force the government to commit to the $5.3 billion project by issuing a statement claiming to have received assurances from the office of the Premier, Kristina Keneally, that the Rozelle extension would proceed.
Two weeks ago, Ms Keneally said the government had ordered the Sydney Metro Authority to stop buying properties around the junction of Victoria Road and Darling Street, Rozelle - the site of the proposed Rozelle metro terminus - ''until the NSW Government makes a final decision shortly on the project''. Her comment provoked speculation that the Rozelle extension would be scrapped.
But Mr Trodden's statement read: ''We are comforted by meetings attended by Tigers representatives with senior officials from the Premier's office and local MP Verity Firth, where it was confirmed that no decisions had been made to abandon plans for the Sydney metro extending to Rozelle.''
Last night Mr Trodden, a Balmain lawyer, confirmed that he had met the Premier's chief of staff, Walt Secord, and her director of policy, Pat Garcia, on January 21 and 22, two days after the Premier's comment. The club's chief executive, Tim Camiller, also met Ms Firth on January 22.
Mr Trodden told the Herald that neither Mr Secord nor Mr Garcia had said - or even hinted - that the government was planning to axe the Rozelle link.
''What they left us with was the distinct impression that no decision had been made to cancel the project, specifically the Rozelle leg of the project,'' he said.
A spokesman for Ms Keneally insisted that ''no decision has been made'' on the future of the Rozelle extension.
Mr Trodden said the club - which was in deep financial trouble until it received a $200 million bailout from a development company run by former footballer Benny Elias - had been given until April 1 to vacate the site so the Metro Authority could use it as a construction site. The club plans to move for up to five years and Mr Elias's company, Rozelle Village, plans to spend $98 million redeveloping the site with two office towers.
But Mr Trodden would not say if the club or Rozelle Village had signed an agreement with the metro authority for compensation if the project is cancelled.
Even if it is, Rozelle locals may only win a temporary reprieve. Kilner Mason, a spokesman for the Pyrmont community opposed to the metro, said local businesses had received letters last week saying the authority was still negotiating to compulsorily acquire their properties.
Tino and Maria Vieira had been told the ''pause [in the acquisition of Rozelle properties] does not in any way affect negotiations on your property''.
 

westie

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Have been thinking about this. Obviously it's worse for them than thought... though I'd like to hear some updated thoughts from people that actually know. The bit i'm most interested in is Elias' involvement. You don't spend so much money for small personal gain.
 

Tiger Hawk

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Where does it say in that article that the development is in trouble? It only alludes to the possibility that the metro line extension to Rozelle won't proceed - but even that's not a certainty. When has the LC redevelopment ever hinged on the metro proceeding (which is what the article is implying)? I'm sure the club wants the extension to proceed (given the likely increase in foot traffic) but the original redevelopment, which stretches back some 6 odd years, predates the metro proposal by some time.
 

westie

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I never said it wouldn't get built. But there's been a lot of money spent on the assumption the Metro would be next door. Hence Trodden's desperation. I'm sure Benny's just laughing.
 

Goddo

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I want the Metro built. Hopefully the threat of legal action or compensation for breach of contract from the government forces them to continue with it.

Lets face it, our cities infrastructure is pathetic. We need this. I also support the Tigers here, Balmain have mortgaged their future on this. The government should be held to account if it doesn't work out.
 
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Lets face it, our cities infrastructure is pathetic. We need this. .

Sydney's infrastructure is pathetic - however whether the proposed metro serves any real useful purpose is highly questionable. The money spent on it almost certainly could be spent more effectively on other infrastructure projects.
 

Borat.

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Metro is doomed as start delayed


ANDREW CLENNELL STATE POLITICAL EDITOR

February 18, 2010
THE metro system is dead, with the Keneally government to abandon plans to begin work on the project this year, amid a push from Treasury officials to delay the lines for 20 years.
Senior government sources have confirmed plans to start work this year will be scrapped in a transport blueprint to be announced on Sunday amid pressure from the Treasurer, Eric Roozendaal, and his officials to defer or dump the project.
This will allow the Coalition an opportunity to dump the project cheaply if it wins office as expected next year.
Treasury officials were pushing yesterday for work to begin on the Western Metro as late as 2030, despite an original deadline on the CBD Metro to begin mid-year.
A Herald investigation yesterday revealed bureaucrats and political fixers inside the state's transport agencies altered official reports as part of a widespread government effort to suppress criticism of the controversial $5.3 billion CBD Metro.
The Herald last week published the results of an independent inquiry that recommended the government dump the metros and focus instead on new heavy and light rail projects.
In recent weeks the government had settled on planning for the construction of an $8 million to $10 million Western Metro, which would travel from Westmead to Pyrmont, to replace the proposal to build the $5.3 billion CBD Metro from Central Station to Rozelle.
Cabinet sources say while the Transport Minister, David Campbell, is pushing hard for the go-ahead for the Western Metro as soon as possible, Mr Roozendaal and Treasury are blocking it and are likely to succeed.
Meetings between senior ministers and high-level officials continued through most of yesterday and into the evening.
''It is a constant battle against Treasury,'' said a senior cabinet source.
The metro proposal has been rocked by the Herald's transport blueprint in which rail supremo Ron Christie recommended construction should not begin until 2020. Mr Christie said the government instead should start work immediately on lines between Epping and Rouse Hill, in the north-west, and Glenfield and Leppington, in the south-west. Mr Christie also said work must start on a $2 billion Epping to Parramatta rail line, which would connect with an existing line south to Liverpool.
The deferral of the project leaves large question marks over what the Premier, Kristina Keneally, will announce in her Land Use and Transport Plan.
Light rail for the CBD has been mooted, and the government is understood to have ruled out any plan to reinstate a north-west rail link.
The executive director of Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, Brendan Lyon, said industry had spent $50 million to $60 million so far in the tender process for the metro and there would be compensation claims if the project were scrapped.
He said the tender costs did not ''include the costs of having those people there on that project when there was an opportunity to have those people doing something else''.
The opposition's spokeswoman on transport, Gladys Berejiklian, said the metros were doomed if the Coalition won.
''We want to reassure the community - if we do win the next election, our absolute priorities will be to construct the north-west and south-west rail links.''

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/metro-is-doomed-as-start-delayed-20100217-odyy.html
 

Spot

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Does Borat offer any opinions, or is he the classic cut and paste poster? Come on champ, give me an opinion
 

chunk

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Elias was on the radio this moring and strongly impied that the redevelopment was not going ahead now because the metro was not going ahead.

This surely is a grab for compo (which i hope so) because the redevelopment was approved before any mention of the metro.

Am I right? Or did he only get on board when the metro was an option?

Why now has he decided that he is not going ahead with Leagues Club redevelopment?
 

super_coach

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They are now buggered. The club is loosing a squillion at present and without a major development is heading down the gurgler and without the metro much of its appeal to the developers goes out the window. So even if they were awarded some substantial compensation I doubt weather it would help them long term. The club game now is a very tough bussiness especially in a yuppie location.
 

Borat.

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Does Borat offer any opinions, or is he the classic cut and paste poster? Come on champ, give me an opinion


I only cut and paste baitch:cool:

So I cut n paste the below...

I'd look at seeking compensation like the Tender's are....

Looks like its not going to happen now....Benny must be nervous, or hopefully we score a large payout.....no idea what sort of assurance we recieved on the deal, but surely a man of Elias expertise has more than a handshake as is reported.....
 

Borat.

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Elias was on the radio this moring and strongly impied that the redevelopment was not going ahead now because the metro was not going ahead.

This surely is a grab for compo (which i hope so) because the redevelopment was approved before any mention of the metro.

Am I right? Or did he only get on board when the metro was an option?

Why now has he decided that he is not going ahead with Leagues Club redevelopment?

1 Cause the place is a bitch to get to....and 2 probably get the comp first and then redevelop using the payout to secure $$ at a lower interest rate....
 
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I never said it wouldn't get built. But there's been a lot of money spent on the assumption the Metro would be next door. Hence Trodden's desperation. I'm sure Benny's just laughing.

Hey Westie, are you getting excited? It could put Balmain in a perilous financial situation again.
 

Fein

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Hey Westie, are you getting excited? It could put Balmain in a perilous financial situation again.

That's what it seems to me reading this TV Ted.

That said, has the Balmain Leagues Club been producing grants to the football club over the past few years?

If it hasn't (like Souths hasn't) then it really shouldn't matter, should it?
 

Tiger Hawk

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Just got members email and had this:

URGENT CALL T0 ACTION- On behalf of Balmain Tigers
This SATURDAY 28th APRIL 2012 Balmain Tigers needs your support! A decision will be made soon that will determine the future of our Club forever.

If we do not get enough public support NOW we may never return to our heartland.

Visit our Information Centre at 697 Darling Street, Rozelle at 12.00 noon this Saturday 28th April 2012 to show your support.

Click here for more information on the Rozelle Development.
 

madunit

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2 years since we last heard anything in here about this.

As I'm way out of the loop here, is anyone able to give me a recap as to what was proposed, what hurdles there have been and what the issues are now?

Big ask I know.

Thanks guys.
 

Tiger Hawk

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I followed it quite closely pretty much up until 2009 but have really just not paid close attention over the last couple of weeks. According to the website, revised plans were submitted last week which, following a very casual review, appear to address some of the environmental and economic concerns. There is a huge local element that do not want the club redeveloped full stop so I would suggest the club is still up against it.
 

madunit

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so was the decision to sell off the club a few years ago the right move in hindsight?
 

gronkathon

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With the debt accrued I think it had to go that way. It is unfortunate. So many great memories of the old club
 

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