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Battle between Eel's Jarryd Hayne and Newcastle's Kurt Gidley to be NRLs top fullback

The Colonel

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Battle between Parramatta's Jarryd Hayne and Newcastle's Kurt Gidley to be NRL's top fullback

| August 05, 2009 12:00am

THEY roomed together during Origin and share a genuine respect for each other's ability.

<DIV class="article-body rank0" id=article-body>And both are adamant about one thing: the other holds the key to Sunday's vital clash between Newcastle and Parramatta.
Talk to Knights skipper Kurt Gidley about Jarryd Hayne and he doesn't need prompting on the Parramatta fullback's influence on the Eels' premiership resurgence.
"I haven't seen a lot of their games but I know how good he's been going for them," Gidley said.
"To be honest, I could never work out why he wasn't playing fullback for them from the start of the season.
"The way he is built - he's a big boy - and just his kick returns are outstanding.
"His stats don't lie and we have already spoken a bit about him this week and how our kick-chase ha s to be spot on.
"We need to keep the ball away from him as much as we can."
Hayne is just as glowing in his praise of the Newcastle No. 1 and his effect on the Knights.

"He's a massive influence for them and one of the key players we are going to have to contain," Hayne said of Gidley.
"He's up there with the best players going around and was great during Origin. He had his leadership head on and was a big help for me personally.
"But it's back to club footy and if we can keep him quiet, it would be a big factor in us winning.
"It's a big game for us. They're in the eight but we're still chasing.
"We need the win more than they do."
Neither player was prepared to buy into any argument about whether Sunday's showdown between the pair would decide NSW's best fullback.
The stats say it's Hayne.
In 10 games at fullback, he has scored eight tries, averaged 214m a game, had 19 line breaks and broken a staggering 97 tackles.
It's those numbers which have plenty of people claiming the Eels star is the best player in the game right now.
Gidley's 15 games for the Knights have produced three tries and 50 goals for 112 points, he's averaging 166m a game and has made 71 tackle busts.
But their styles can't be compared, with Gidley playing as many as three or four positions in the one game and not your traditional fullback's role.
The stats also don't measure their influence on teammates and how they play.
Gidley said he was happy to be back at fullback for the Eels game after his switch to halfback against the Sydney Roosters failed to ignite the Knights.
"It probably didn't work like we wanted it to," Gidley said.
"But there was a lot more to it (the loss) than that. We need to get back to the way we were defending three or four weeks ago."
Gidley is adamant the coaching dramas at the club can't be used as an excuse for heavy losses against Manly and the Roosters.
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slippy

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Cmon don't even try and spice that battle up, Hayne sh*ts all over Gidley and proved it in origin. Better fullback, better player, better stats.

Although a good question is, is he more crucial to the Knights fortunes than Hayne is to ours?
 

Bigfella

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"To be honest, I could never work out why he wasn't playing fullback for them from the start of the season.

Is Ron Jeremy Kurt Gidley?

Especially when you consider the further evidence:-

I haven't seen a lot of their games but I know how good he's been going for them," Gidley said.

Lives on the Central Coast.

Has anyone ever seen them in the same room?;-)
 

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Cmon don't even try and spice that battle up, Hayne sh*ts all over Gidley and proved it in origin. Better fullback, better player, better stats.

Although a good question is, is he more crucial to the Knights fortunes than Hayne is to ours?

I think Hayne is ahead but doesn't sh*t all over Gidley at all...
 

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Gidley plays a better 2nd 5/8 role than Hayne. Also jumps in and runs from dummy half often.
 

yy_cheng

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What I like is when Burt picks up the ball from a kick, draws the defender and passes it to a sprinting Hayne.

How can we get that working all the time?
 

ParraAds

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What I like is when Burt picks up the ball from a kick, draws the defender and passes it to a sprinting Hayne.

How can we get that working all the time?

That's very much dependant on the quality of the kick chase.
 

oldmancraigy

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What I like is when Burt picks up the ball from a kick, draws the defender and passes it to a sprinting Hayne.

How can we get that working all the time?


The thing I don't understand is how that works so often!! I mean, SURELY nobody acutally thinks that Burt is going to run it himself????

Haven't they watched tape?

[not mocking Burt just having some fun - enjoy it ok?]

I'd say Hayne has more weapons than Gidley - he has size, speed and steps. He can muscle over from close range, he can finish a break, he can scythe through the line and he can even set up his team mates.

Gidley has 4 try assists on the year - Hayne has 5. There's no difference in their ability to set up tries (well - it's marginally in favour of Hayne I guess).

Gidley is a toiler who is 260% effort, tries hard, injects himself wherever possible, but just lacks the class to be one of the topline players.
Hayne has always had the class - now he's showing the effort too.
 

mrblue

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I find it hard to compare, Hayne is the form player in the NRL it's bound to end sooner or later for a bit. Gidley is constantly so good and has more weapons then Hayne imo.

Gidley was in career best form at fullback earlier this year (hence his selection as fullback for NSW). So he's in a purple patch too. I'd like to see Hayne's 2007 stats at fullback compared to Gidley in 2009. I reckon he'd still come out on top, and by a large margin too.
 

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Gidley was in career best form at fullback earlier this year (hence his selection as fullback for NSW). So he's in a purple patch too. I'd like to see Hayne's 2007 stats at fullback compared to Gidley in 2009. I reckon he'd still come out on top, and by a large margin too.

Ok, here we go:

Gidley 2009 stats:
15 games
4 try assists
75 tackle breaks
165 meters
3 linebreaks
Kick return meters: 56
3 tries

Hayne 2007 stats @ fullback:
11 games
3 try assists
79 tackles breaks
159 meters
12 linebreaks
KRM: 66
5 tries

Hayne 2008 stats @ fullback:
6 games
2 try assists
34 tackle breaks
140 meters
6 linebreaks
KRM: 50
2 tries

The staggering thing is that in his 27 career games at fullback, Hayne has made 34 linebreaks :shock:

I don't know if there are other valid "fullback stats" - but on the basis of the numbers, it would appear as if Hayne's 2007 and 2008 numbers are arguably as good, if not better, than Gidleys. Less overall meters, but greater impact in terms of linebreaks and setting up tries (and scoring them too)

As I've said elsewhere, Gidley's meters per game stat is artifically inflated by his dummy half running - he spends a LOT of time picking up the ball late in the half and scooting for 10-12m around tired forwards. Good meterage but I always question whether or not it benefits the team to have a FB playing "second hooker" - would it be better to have him out wide? (that's a discussion for another place)
 

SDM

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Gidley is just like Funch, gives the "experts" hard-ons but no one knows why. He is the bloke who never deserved to shrug the utility role.
 

perverse

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gidley is hit and miss. he will have games where he tears the opposition to shreds with his involvement, and have other games where he stifles his team by getting in the way a little too often. his best stats will definitely come from '08, not '09... he has been pretty average this year to be honest. i'd say adapting to the captaincy would have a bit to do with this.

hayne is a freak of a talent and a genuine gamebreaker. both have wildly differing styles. gidley is the type of bloke you really need to build a gameplan, in fact the whole team, around to get the best out of him. you could drop hayne in any team and his attributes and talents would have the same effect. it's a hairy discussion to have... but in terms of worth at club level they are both in the upper echelon of players.
 

born an eel

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The thing I don't understand is how that works so often!! I mean, SURELY nobody acutally thinks that Burt is going to run it himself????

Haven't they watched tape?

[not mocking Burt just having some fun - enjoy it ok?]

........................
Burt actually averages more metres per kick return than Hayne.
 

The Colonel

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John Morris and Gidley have a lot in common. Very good utility players that can be used in a variety of positions when the need arises but yet to truly settle at one in particular outside of one season....

Gidley had one great season at fullback.
Morris had one great season at five eight.

Other than that the rest of the time they are very up and down.
 

Bigfella

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I know you don't rate Gidley Colonel but that is way OTT.

Gidley has performed at Origin level whereas Morris will never even clome close to playing Origin.

At his best Morris was an adequate 6 to Tim Smith's 7. At his best, Gidley has been one of the dominant player sin the entire NRL, and for more than one season.

There is no comparison.

At NRL level Gidley is an outstanding fullback. His skillset means he probably hasn't found his best position (you could say the same for elite players such as Marshall, Folau and Inglis to be honest).
 

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Hayne is superior to most players because of natural ability. He has the strength and as it seems now the linebreaking ability and size to create problems no matter who he has in front of him. His ability will almost certainly overcome someone like gidley who is mates with all the commentators that rate him so highly. Basically Hayne will create much better stats than anyone in the NRL (except maybe Jennings). The comparison is NUL and VOID ! He is young with speed and agility to burn. He now realises what being an NRL player encompasses! Watch him fly! Thank the superior being he is with us!!!
 

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