Bears Confirmed & Rumoured Signings

[Gobsmacked]

Shows what having a good coach can do in terms of the players they can attract

Look at Gus's lure to get Galvin. He said he the best talent he's ever seen..
In club land , players are the commodity, you need them and you're bidding against 17 other clubs! You've got to roll out the red carpet, put in a big offer and let them know how much they'll mean to your club, how much you want them!

Exact opposite to a Maroon jumper or Australian jumper, there's only 1 jumper and all these players that want it!

Mals previous positions set him up to have the complete opposite attitude to players than he needs to have.

If he had it right, there would have been an all expenses paid holiday to WA with a helicopter flight to Rotness Island reported for Tino and the like.

I haven't seen any genuine attempt to court a player other than a big offer.

On the other issue, those signings announced mid January weren't announced because they were likely given over Christmas to think it over - that's the most likely scenario imo

 

[Perth Red]

Look at Gus's lure to get Galvin. He said he the best talent he's ever seen..
In club land , players are the commodity, you need them and you're bidding against 17 other clubs! You've got to roll out the red carpet, put in a big offer and let them know how much they'll mean to your club, how much you want them!

Exact opposite to a Maroon jumper or Australian jumper, there's only 1 jumper and all these players that want it!

Mals previous positions set him up to have the complete opposite attitude to players than he needs to have.

If he had it right, there would have been an all expenses paid holiday to WA with a helicopter flight to Rotness Island reported for Tino and the like.

I haven't seen any genuine attempt to court a player other than a big offer.

On the other issue, those signings announced mid January weren't announced because they were likely given over Christmas to think it over - that's the most likely scenario imo

I’m sure if any of the big names linked with us by the media were serious the club would have done exactly that.

we need a couple of big names over next month or two, inc our capt.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

I’m sure if any of the big names linked with us by the media were serious the club would have done exactly that.

we need a couple of big names over next month or two, inc our capt.

i dont think ya need big names at all. not in the sense of top tier players.
just really need blokes who can play as a team/for each other and understand the task.

best example is sharkies.
sharkies had no big names when their consistent top 8 roster was assembled.
people will say hynes but hynes in 2022 ha dplayed 38 games to that point. he was no different to wishart now. he was only a regular starter in 2021 at storm because of papy's injuries. he was unproven as a half.

they signed finucane as their weekly standards setter. if bears can jag a mcinnes and sorensen to do the same for 2027/28 thats awesome. graham was honest toiler. fifita's output was on the decline/ moylan was injury prone. tolman was good value. those 4 blokes were basis of experience but none were out and out big names in 2022.

now dont get me wrong because big names/top tiers would be an absolute awesome acquisition but its clearly not happening for 2027. so build a workmen tough squad instead.

check sharkies 2022 roster and experience..
4 players above 200 games, 2 players above 120 games and rest under 75 games.

 

[Gobsmacked]

i dont think ya need big names at all. not in the sense of top tier players.
just really need blokes who can play as a team/for each other and understand the task.

best example is sharkies.
sharkies had no big names when their consistent top 8 roster was assembled.
people will say hynes but hynes in 2022 ha dplayed 38 games to that point. he was no different to wishart now. he was only a regular starter in 2021 at storm because of papy's injuries. he was unproven as a half.

they signed finucane as their weekly standards setter. if bears can jag a mcinnes and sorensen to do the same for 2027/28 thats awesome. graham was honest toiler. fifita's output was on the decline/ moylan was injury prone. tolman was good value. those 4 blokes were basis of experience but none were out and out big names in 2022.

now dont get me wrong because big names/top tiers would be an absolute awesome acquisition but its clearly not happening for 2027. so build a workmen tough squad instead.

check sharkies 2022 roster and experience..
4 players above 200 games, 2 players above 120 games and rest under 75 games.

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I think Perth will get a fair few Sharks players, there's plenty off contract and if they're going to win anything, they know they need to make changes.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

I think Perth will get a fair few Sharks players, there's plenty off contract and if they're going to win anything, they know they need to make changes.

theyre likely destined to sign 2 to 4 sharkies players regardless. because its just how the market is unravelling.
15 off contract sharks.

just like theres a chance that chiefs likely get some bunnies for 2028.. theres 22 off contract souths end of 2027..

dont see why you think they know they need to make changes, once they have 3 to 4 experienced game older players their roster has its footprint.

the 4/5 blokes they have now which will make their core leadership group are no different to 2023/24 sharkies line up.

fifita, tolman, finucance, graham, moylan all retired shortly after that 2022 season.

these guys like henry curran wishy meaney will be the ones moving forward after the initial season. i think the sharkies parallels are there above in stats.

 

[Perth Red]

i dont think ya need big names at all. not in the sense of top tier players.
just really need blokes who can play as a team/for each other and understand the task.

best example is sharkies.
sharkies had no big names when their consistent top 8 roster was assembled.
people will say hynes but hynes in 2022 ha dplayed 38 games to that point. he was no different to wishart now. he was only a regular starter in 2021 at storm because of papy's injuries. he was unproven as a half.

they signed finucane as their weekly standards setter. if bears can jag a mcinnes and sorensen to do the same for 2027/28 thats awesome. graham was honest toiler. fifita's output was on the decline/ moylan was injury prone. tolman was good value. those 4 blokes were basis of experience but none were out and out big names in 2022.

now dont get me wrong because big names/top tiers would be an absolute awesome acquisition but its clearly not happening for 2027. so build a workmen tough squad instead.

check sharkies 2022 roster and experience..
4 players above 200 games, 2 players above 120 games and rest under 75 games.

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Around about now dolphins were announcing three int forwards from a champion team. Inc the kiwi and storm co capt who would be club captain, And they still finished 13th. So yeh I think around now is a Good time to start adding some experienced class to the side. couple of quality signings may be what we need to show others we won’t be whipping boys and temp then to sign on also.

as for Finucane not being a ‘big’ name, he was Storm co-captain , 6 times gf, premiership winner, origin player and nsw vice captain. not a bad cv when he signed for sharks, I’d be quite happy to sign someone of that calibre!

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Around about now dolphins were announcing three int forwards from a champion team. Inc the kiwi and storm co capt who would be club captain, And they still finished 13th. So yeh I think around now is a Good time to start adding some experienced class to the side. couple of quality signings may be what we need to show others we won’t be whipping boys and temp then to sign on also,

some context needs to be given on this 2023 phins 13th spot.

they finished 13th because the rotten luck of injury in the second half of the season.
they went into round 14 with 7 wins/5 losses/1 bye

they were competitive in every game to that point



3 of the 5 losses the game was there to be won.
the 2 other losses they were in it until half time. faded in 2nd half. 1 of those games a sin bin cruelled them.

round 5 loss to dragons it's the second half where phins dropped lollies.


round 7 loss to souths phins again dropped bundle in 2nd half and had 3 tries scored against them when phins had man in bin


them the breaks.
important to have the stats and data with context though because memory alone isn't good enough.

the phins were competitive because of that added sprinkles of experience.

 

[Trifili13]

SP&B, you can't compare the Sharks who have been in the comp for 50 plus years with an established fan base and their roster and who they are looking to attract to a start up up club in AFL heartland and say they should go for similar players. Sure you need players with good work ethics but Perth needs a few big names to win games and get fans interested. Dolphins is also not the same as Perth as they had an established fan base, pathways and are in league heartland and easier to attract players already in QLD or East Coast Australia than uprooting and moving 5000 km to the other side of the country that Perth has to do.

Perth needs to be careful it doesn't struggle in the first say 5 years as it's supporter base may potentially fall off as we have seen with existing clubs like the Dragon's and Tigers who have huge followings but gameday numbers are low as those teams have struggled near the bottom of the comp. Perth might even be worse as they don't have a large existing fan base to fall back on in hard times.

 

[Gobsmacked]

theyre likely destined to sign 2 to 4 sharkies players regardless. because its just how the market is unravelling.
15 off contract sharks.

just like theres a chance that chiefs likely get some bunnies for 2028.. theres 22 off contract souths end of 2027..

dont see why you think they know they need to make changes, once they have 3 to 4 experienced game older players their roster has its footprint.

the 4/5 blokes they have now which will make their core leadership group are no different to 2023/24 sharkies line up.

fifita, tolman, finucance, graham, moylan all retired shortly after that 2022 season.

these guys like henry curran wishy meaney will be the ones moving forward after the initial season. i think the sharkies parallels are there above in stats.

A consistent team is the Sharks but the goal is to win a competition. This year will be the same.. also rans..
" They know" they need to make changes to win a comp.
It's not a coincidence that there's so many players off contract.

 

[Centy Coast]

A consistent team is the Sharks but the goal is to win a competition. This year will be the same.. also rans..
" They know" they need to make changes to win a comp.
It's not a coincidence that there's so many players off contract.

The Bears need to aim to have a consistent competitive squad, forget premierships (that isn’t going to happen).
I’m shattered that we missed Tino but if we can nab Lindsay Smith and possibly Toby Rudolf I’d be very happy.
Add Cam McInnes and Scott Sorensen and I’d be over the moon.
For the backs I’d be chasing Tolutau Koula big time and Matt Burton.
These players wouldn’t send you bankrupt and we certainly know what you are getting in return.

 

[Gobsmacked]

SP&B, you can't compare the Sharks who have been in the comp for 50 plus years with an established fan base and their roster and who they are looking to attract to a start up up club in AFL heartland and say they should go for similar players. Sure you need players with good work ethics but Perth needs a few big names to win games and get fans interested. Dolphins is also not the same as Perth as they had an established fan base, pathways and are in league heartland and easier to attract players already in QLD or East Coast Australia than uprooting and moving 5000 km to the other side of the country that Perth has to do.

Perth needs to be careful it doesn't struggle in the first say 5 years as it's supporter base may potentially fall off as we have seen with existing clubs like the Dragon's and Tigers who have huge followings but gameday numbers are low as those teams have struggled near the bottom of the comp. Perth might even be worse as they don't have a large existing fan base to fall back on in hard times.

Perth are in for a hard 10 years.
We have our resident experts who tell us how wonderful everything is falling into place but in reality not one team in the comp is comfortable with what they're doing, they're all trying to do more and get an edge.
In Perth it's all theory, it'll take 10 years before they're getting close to fine tuning.
Melbourne are only sorting out their pathways now after 30 years and it'll take another 5 before it's dialed in. They were super fortunate to be able to assemble the roster they did. Perth don't have that luxury, they don't even have the level of player availability that the Dolphins had and they're on the other side of the country.

If Perth got the right coach with a good contact book, it could have been less painful but at this stage it's 10 years before we are talking finals.

The funny thing is though, the best supporter base is built on hard times.

 

[Gobsmacked]

The Bears need to aim to have a consistent competitive squad, forget premierships (that isn’t going to happen).
I’m shattered that we missed Tino but if we can nab Lindsay Smith and possibly Toby Rudolf I’d be very happy.
Add Cam McInnes and Scott Sorensen and I’d be over the moon.
For the backs I’d be chasing Tolutau Koula big time and Matt Burton.
These players wouldn’t send you bankrupt and we certainly know what you are getting in return.

Unfortunately chasing Tino and Cambell among others did a bit of damage to the Bears timeframe and player perception.
Players like the ones you've noted would have been good early targets. I said at the start of the thread that those were the type of players Perth should have gone hard early for and paid overs to get them. They'd be in a much stronger position at this point.
As it is now, the managers of these players can use the clock to drive up the price.
They should be putting in big offers with time constraints on those offers or they be backed into a corner.
You need a couple of signings soon.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

SP&B, you can't compare the Sharks who have been in the comp for 50 plus years with an established fan base and their roster and who they are looking to attract to a start up up club in AFL heartland and say they should go for similar players. Sure you need players with good work ethics but Perth needs a few big names to win games and get fans interested. Dolphins is also not the same as Perth as they had an established fan base, pathways and are in league heartland and easier to attract players already in QLD or East Coast Australia than uprooting and moving 5000 km to the other side of the country that Perth has to do.

Perth needs to be careful it doesn't struggle in the first say 5 years as it's supporter base may potentially fall off as we have seen with existing clubs like the Dragon's and Tigers who have huge followings but gameday numbers are low as those teams have struggled near the bottom of the comp. Perth might even be worse as they don't have a large existing fan base to fall back on in hard times.

sure i can. because i am comparing it on a season by season perspective with numbers of nrl games experience.

i am comparing prospective bears 2027/28 seasons to sharks 2022/23 from games played/big names.
i am comparing the way the rosters were structured and experience within the rosters.
this was in a chat regarding big names required to be targeted.

I gave evidence that sharks 2022 squad had no big name. they had 4-5 experienced players and the rest of the group had sub/under 75 game players. they were/are super competitive.

outside of a.fifita (229), d.finucane (218), m.moylan (146), c.mcinness (130),w.graham (259), & a.tolman (296)
the Sharks average nrl experience in 2022 was only 39.36 games..
thats the data, thats the stats. thats the real life context

if you include the 6 players over 100 & 200 you get to 81.11 games average.

this has nothing to do with fan base, or how long they been in the comp for. this has to do with the 30 man roster make up and how much experience is required to be able to achieve a half decent finish that is competitive.

for comparison the 2027 bears have average 60.23 first grade experience with their current 13 signed players.
that includes 4 players on single digits (e.bitungane & c.vea'ila, l.smith all 2 games, l.laulilli 9 games) and (1 more sub 30 gamer in iszac f. with 29 games)

A consistent team is the Sharks but the goal is to win a competition. This year will be the same.. also rans..
" They know" they need to make changes to win a comp.
It's not a coincidence that there's so many players off contract.

that is hindsight. most players in this current sharks squad were locked in for 2/3/4 years between 2022-2026 and have been relatively unchanged during that run.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Perth are in for a hard 10 years.
We have our resident experts who tell us how wonderful everything is falling into place but in reality not one team in the comp is comfortable with what they're doing, they're all trying to do more and get an edge.
In Perth it's all theory, it'll take 10 years before they're getting close to fine tuning.
Melbourne are only sorting out their pathways now after 30 years and it'll take another 5 before it's dialed in. They were super fortunate to be able to assemble the roster they did. Perth don't have that luxury, they don't even have the level of player availability that the Dolphins had and they're on the other side of the country.

If Perth got the right coach with a good contact book, it could have been less painful but at this stage it's 10 years before we are talking finals.

The funny thing is though, the best supporter base is built on hard times.

to be fair cob, you could be classified as a "resident expert" due to you being across many topics here in the forum yet majority of them you're off with no stats, no data and no analytics backing up many of your opinions.
in fact you have laughed at many responses to your posts which have data, stats and analytics which support a counter-argument.

you assume it'll take a decade of hard years but the only teams in the comp who have suffered a great time of hard times have been because of those clubs high end management mis-management. poorly run head offices, shithouse admins etc.

another thing is you bring up storm pathways for example. yes its true they have taken 30 years to sort out.
but the facts are this, bears pathways from their net-zero start and the nrlwa is vastly better resourced, more improved and of better quality for 2027 than what the storms pathways net-zero start was in 1998.
nrlwa in 2027 has far greater numbers than nrlvic in 1998.

youre just assuming alot of stuff above and putting it out there with such conviction and yet disregard the facts that the raw stats and data doesnt really support your opinons. so whats your opinions actually based on? gut feel and vibe?

Unfortunately chasing Tino and Cambell among others did a bit of damage to the Bears timeframe and player perception.

according to who or what data? they went for a few players here and failed and moved on. how would you know its damaged player perception?
reality is distance in location is and will always be the key item here for players.
players with young families with struggle to decide if the money is worth it.
when it comes to a good offer laid out some blokes have pretty good partners who can make do no matter where they live, other blokes have partners who need core friends and family to get by.
them the breaks. thats whats key at the end of the day. thats the reality of life. all this other mumbo jumbo here isn't it cob.

 

[Trifili13]

sure i can. because i am comparing it on a season by season perspective with numbers of nrl games experience.

i am comparing prospective bears 2027/28 seasons to sharks 2022/23 from games played/big names.
i am comparing the way the rosters were structured and experience within the rosters.
this was in a chat regarding big names required to be targeted.

I gave evidence that sharks 2022 squad had no big name. they had 4-5 experienced players and the rest of the group had sub/under 75 game players. they were/are super competitive.

outside of a.fifita (229), d.finucane (218), m.moylan (146), c.mcinness (130),w.graham (259), & a.tolman (296)
the Sharks average nrl experience in 2022 was only 39.36 games..
thats the data, thats the stats. thats the real life context

if you include the 6 players over 100 & 200 you get to 81.11 games average.

this has nothing to do with fan base, or how long they been in the comp for. this has to do with the 30 man roster make up and how much experience is required to be able to achieve a half decent finish that is competitive.

for comparison the 2027 bears have average 60.23 first grade experience with their current 13 signed players.
that includes 4 players on single digits (e.bitungane & c.vea'ila, l.smith all 2 games, l.laulilli 9 games) and (1 more sub 30 gamer in iszac f. with 29 games)


that is hindsight. most players in this current sharks squad were locked in for 2/3/4 years between 2022-2026 and have been relatively unchanged during that run.

Number of games played obviously has some role to play. You also have to look at the make up of that experience. You can have a bunch of old plodders that give you experience but you have Buckley's of winning anything or being competitive.

New teams in any code or country need to be winning games to attract and retain a fan base. That means you need players that will make a difference on game day. Workmanlike players with good attitudes are needed to keep training standards up and do the dirty work on game day. But you need elite players to win anything.

Someone mentioned Finucane above. He is your typical solid player, good attitude that will do the dirty stuff that every team needs. But he ain't winning you anything. You need say a Munster or a Walsh, or similar types to win games.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Number of games played obviously has some role to play. You also have to look at the make up of that experience. You can have a bunch of old plodders that give you experience but you have Buckley's of winning anything or being competitive.

New teams in any code or country need to be winning games to attract and retain a fan base. That means you need players that will make a difference on game day. Workmanlike players with good attitudes are needed to keep training standards up and do the dirty work on game day. But you need elite players to win anything.

Someone mentioned Finucane above. He is your typical solid player, good attitude that will do the dirty stuff that every team needs. But he ain't winning you anything. You need say a Munster or a Walsh, or similar types to win games.

you didnt have a munster or walsh to win sharkies games between 2022-2025.

ya had kennedy who was serviceable.
brailey who really hit his best in 2025 after 2/3 years as being a tier down from best hookers,
hynes who was much maligned after his random dally m season where he played half for the first time in nrl,
5'8 was between atkinson and trindall with trindall winning out.
their 2025 versions weren't the same as their 2022 versions but the output and results stayed consistent.

reliable forwards who weren't stars. backs who were minor experienced in 2022 and only really exploded from 2023/24. thats how it unfolded in real time. look at the stats and data, it backs this argument up.

yes, youre right that finucane isnt the match winner during the weekly game but he wins ya the weekend games from his monday morn to thursday arvo efforts that sets the team up for the thurs evening to sunday arvo.
without him the braileys dont know what that extra 1% is thats required.

i also think we talking about 2 different things here.
i ain't talking about winning prems. thats unrealistic.
im talking about setting up to be competitive and have a crack almost every game.
that sets up the foundations to build into eventually be able to land a fish and be a challenger.

the sharkies are proof of this. to lesser extent so were phins.
bears wont get a big fish in 207 and likely 2028 either. so build a competitive roster who can put out effort each week.

good chat though cob.

 

[Gobsmacked]

to be fair cob, you could be classified as a "resident expert" due to you being across many topics here in the forum yet majority of them you're off with no stats, no data and no analytics backing up many of your opinions.
in fact you have laughed at many responses to your posts which have data, stats and analytics which support a counter-argument.

you assume it'll take a decade of hard years but the only teams in the comp who have suffered a great time of hard times have been because of those clubs high end management mis-management. poorly run head offices, shithouse admins etc.

another thing is you bring up storm pathways for example. yes its true they have taken 30 years to sort out.
but the facts are this, bears pathways from their net-zero start and the nrlwa is vastly better resourced, more improved and of better quality for 2027 than what the storms pathways net-zero start was in 1998.
nrlwa in 2027 has far greater numbers than nrlvic in 1998.

youre just assuming alot of stuff above and putting it out there with such conviction and yet disregard the facts that the raw stats and data doesnt really support your opinons. so whats your opinions actually based on? gut feel and vibe?


according to who or what data? they went for a few players here and failed and moved on. how would you know its damaged player perception?
reality is distance in location is and will always be the key item here for players.
players with young families with struggle to decide if the money is worth it.
when it comes to a good offer laid out some blokes have pretty good partners who can make do no matter where they live, other blokes have partners who need core friends and family to get by.
them the breaks. thats whats key at the end of the day. thats the reality of life. all this other mumbo jumbo here isn't it cob.

My arguments are based off a wide range of data/ stats, projections, critical thinking and a solid dose of common sense. The success of a football club is broader than any data set. Economics, geography, psychology, history, anthropology among others.
You have to boil it all down to a broad overview to gauge future outcomes.

psychology of a professional footballer ( a typical)is an enigma all of it's own. It's a long rabbit hole to go down to explain why the best players in the game rejecting a club negatively effects the perception of what other players have of that club... it's pretty obvious.

Yeah, I'm assuming it's going to be a long , hard 10 year fight for Perth. There's no data on the planet available to suggest otherwise.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

My arguments are based off a wide range of data/ stats, projections, critical thinking and a solid dose of common sense. The success of a football club is broader than any data set. Economics, geography, psychology, history, anthropology among others.
You have to boil it all down to a broad overview to gauge future outcomes.

psychology of a professional footballer ( a typical)is an enigma all of it's own. It's a long rabbit hole to go down to explain why the best players in the game rejecting a club negatively effects the perception of what other players have of that club... it's pretty obvious.

Yeah, I'm assuming it's going to be a long , hard 10 year fight for Perth. There's no data on the planet available to suggest otherwise.

theres no data to suggest it will be either.
even today ive provided this thread with stats for 2 arguments (comparing bears 2027 to sharks 2022 and why its applicable in relevance to the big name. sharks had no big name and what the average nrl game experience across their squad is ) and dolphins start to 2023 season and why they finished where they did. factors that played a part.

So while you're claiming your arguments are based on the above as well stats/data its not because youve never provided anything.

i thought maybe ya just lazy, so ive even taken the time to search up things that could factually back your opinions up and nothing comes close to it.

youre just making it up cob, its nothing more than ya gut feel. which hey might prove right but right now its fan fiction.

 

[Gobsmacked]

theres no data to suggest it will be either.
even today ive provided this thread with stats for 2 arguments (comparing bears 2027 to sharks 2022 and why its applicable in relevance to the big name. sharks had no big name and what the average nrl game experience across their squad is ) and dolphins start to 2023 season and why they finished where they did. factors that played a part.

So while you're claiming your arguments are based on the above as well stats/data its not because youve never provided anything.

i thought maybe ya just lazy, so ive even taken the time to search up things that could factually back your opinions up and nothing comes close to it.

youre just making it up cob, its nothing more than ya gut feel. which hey might prove right but right now its fan fiction.

Matt Moyland, Dale Fanucan, Nico Hines, Wade Graham, Andrew Fafita.. were all big names and you've already been taken to task on that by another poster, I thought it wasn't necessary.

But once again " data is irrelevant. Only real fans of the game saw them as big names, nobody would know who they are in Perth, so there's a nuance and broad knowledge that is the only reliable indicator.

Dolphins had the Bromich bros and Kafusi at this point - 3 big names, best coach in history and still struggled .. it doesn't take a genius to figure out Perth are in for a tough slog.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Matt Moyland, Dale Fanucan, Nico Hines, Wade Graham, Andrew Fafita.. were all big names and you've already been taken to task on that by another poster, I thought it wasn't necessary.

But once again " data is irrelevant. Only real fans of the game saw them as big names, nobody would know who they are in Perth, so there's a nuance and broad knowledge that is the only reliable indicator.

Dolphins had the Bromich bros and Kafusi at this point - 3 big names, best coach in history and still struggled .. it doesn't take a genius to figure out Perth are in for a tough slog.

nicho was 36 games into his career in 2022.
fifita was on downslide. had his time between 2015-2018. (retired after 22.)
moylan played most games in 2022/23 but was on downslide. (retired after 23)
graham was on downslide (retired after 23)
finucane played 17 games 22, 13 games 23 and 3 games 24 (retired in 24)

4 out of those 5 were experienced campaigners 100%. one was relatively unproven.
they werent big names in 2022 though
cleary, munster, ponga, tedesco, turbo, latrell they were big names in 2022.

once again data isnt irrelevant, you only now revert to this "real fans" because the stats don't actually marry up and back your argument. lol.
dolphins were cruelled by injury second half of 2023. they started strong. stats are above.
ive provided facts and context to this.

your memory isnt what history is cob. your filling in the gaps with imagination.
doesnt take a genuis to be able to spend 5 minutes to actually research things. do that and ya not left with the garbage ya trying to sell.