Best Premiers in the last 16 years?

[Valheru]

I think it's Manly 2008 (the cumulative finals for/against was like 800-4) but I would say that.

Realistically only fans from clubs that didn't win a premiership in the aformentioned period can make a call on this with objectivity IMO

Depends what your metric is. There is logic to say we should only count minor premiers turned premiers as they won both the regular season and the finals that eliminates some pretty handy teams though including 2021 Penrith, 2020 storm, 2019 roosters, 2012 storm and 2008 manly.

Every one of those teams did finish 2nd though.

 

[yobbo84]

Like to know the average age of the past 20 GFs. IMO, the Panthers will be on a good run for the next 5 years given their age and the fact that they do have room for improvement, especially in attack.

Shit happens though. We had some very good young players in '14... but then Dylan Walker went off the rails, Kirisome Auva'a got suspended for 12 months, Russell Crowe pissed off Luke Keary, George Burgess busted his hip and was never the same, Kyle Turner busted his neck and was never the same, Api Koroisau left for more game time, etc.

You'll be top 4 for several years, but absolutely everything has to come up Milhouse to win a competition.

 

[10$ Ferret]

Its hard to say, no one was going to beat Brisbane in 2000 if you include that.
The Roosters in 2002-2004 were dominant and should have won 3 in a row. But not good enough and Ricky blew it.
Aside from that from that no one really has stood out more than others.
St George were always going to win in 2010 but was it an even field, no I don't think so.
Souffs they took 2 years to get the gift. You can say what you want but they went downhil because the gift stopped giving.
But I think in the rest its been at least 2 or 3 teams that could have won

 

[Alderley Rooster]

Asotasi, SBW and Thurston on the bench.

Maitua would have been on the bench too except Price getting injured the week before.

Of course they had a great side. They acquired them illegally and then lost no-one when they were finally caught cheating. Massive asterix on that GF win. Not to mention Hazams double movement try

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Interesting you feel that way. I was never confident in 2018 until half time of the GF.

2019 though I never doubted that we would win the comp from the kick off of round 1.

Hovered consistently around the top four even when the team wasn’t firing properly but knew Teddy and Cronk would settle in eventually. Guess the bookies were thinking the same. Less confident the following year but mainly because b2b was historically difficult.

 

[Jono078]

Some may find this interesting. With my sim I have to collect data for points scoring etc and scale them. This is how each premiers stats look for attack and defense when scaling it to a rating out of 10;

Team	NRL Coaches	Attack	Defence	TOTAL
(07) Melbourne Storm	Craig Bellamy	9.2	10	19.2
(20) Melbourne Storm	Craig Bellamy	9.4	9.5	18.9
(13) Sydney Roosters	Trent Robinson	9.4	9.5	18.9
(17) Melbourne Storm	Craig Bellamy	9.3	9.4	18.7
(08) Manly Sea Eagles	Des Hasler	9.4	9.2	18.6
(21) Penrith Panthers	Ivan Cleary	8.6	9.9	18.5
(19) Sydney Roosters	Trent Robinson	9.2	9.2	18.4
(14) South Sydney Rabbitohs	Michael Maguire	8.6	9.2	17.8
(12) Melbourne Storm	Craig Bellamy	8.6	9.2	17.8
(10) St George Illawarra Dragons	Wayne Bennett	7.8	9.8	17.6
(11) Manly Sea Eagles	Des Hasler	8	9.5	17.5
(16) Cronulla Sharks	Shane Flanagan	8.6	8.8	17.4
(18) Sydney Roosters	Trent Robinson	8.1	9.2	17.3
(15) North Queensland Cowboys	Paul Green	8.7	8.3	17
(09) Melbourne Storm	Craig Bellamy	7.6	9.3	16.9
(06) Brisbane Broncos	Wayne Bennett	7.5	8.9	16.4

 

[Hutty1986]

Its hard to say, no one was going to beat Brisbane in 2000 if you include that.
The Roosters in 2002-2004 were dominant and should have won 3 in a row. But not good enough and Ricky blew it.
Aside from that from that no one really has stood out more than others.
St George were always going to win in 2010 but was it an even field, no I don't think so.
Souffs they took 2 years to get the gift. You can say what you want but they went downhil because the gift stopped giving.
But I think in the rest its been at least 2 or 3 teams that could have won

2010 not being an even field wtf

 

[hineyrulz]

PENRITH!!!

 

[Smug Panther]

PENRITH!!!

I have never seen such an actuate and just simulation in my life.


PENRITH!!!

 

[Jono078]

I have never seen such an actuate and just simulation in my life.


PENRITH!!!

Not sure if anyone else picked up on it, but I thought it was really ironic they lost week 1 of the finals and got their revenge in the GF!

 

[ColdWetPanther]

The Roosters in 2002-2004 were dominant and should have won 3 in a row. But not good enough and Ricky blew it.

I have never seen a side so ill-prepared for a GF than the Roosters in 2003, and that is coming from a Panther fan.

Actually, maybe the 2020 Panthers compares…

 

[ColdWetPanther]

Jono; I see a few of your simulations had one team conceding 50. Can we confirm that your programme is intuitive enough to recognise the curse, and these teams were automatically excluded from the chance to win the Premiership?

 

[Jono078]

I have never seen a side so ill-prepared for a GF than the Roosters in 2003, and that is coming from a Panther fan.

Actually, maybe the 2020 Panthers compares…

2001 Eels?

Jono; I see a few of your simulations had one team conceding 50. Can we confirm that your programme is unitive enough to recognise the curse, and these teams were automatically excluded from the chance to win the Premiership?

Haha nice pick-up... The curse isn't programmed in, but after this year I think it's about time I add it!

 

[Valheru]

Not sure if anyone else picked up on it, but I thought it was really ironic they lost week 1 of the finals and got their revenge in the GF!

Did you run the simulation 100 times mate like the others you do? Any stats on the most common premiers, grand finalists etc. After 100 simulations?

 

[TheRam]

My favourite premiers of the last 2 decades have been the Cowboys. They and that GF gave me a kick like no other over that time period.

I also liked the Bunnies, because I have a soft for them otherwise I couldn't give a toss about the rest, especially the multiple winning teams that just suck the life out of the comp. You know who you are.

 

[myrrh ken]

Depends what your metric is. There is logic to say we should only count minor premiers turned premiers as they won both the regular season and the finals that eliminates some pretty handy teams though including 2021 Penrith, 2020 storm, 2019 roosters, 2012 storm and 2008 manly.

Every one of those teams did finish 2nd though.

In fact the metric should be the quality of the opposition. Melb were weak this year which is a black mark against PENRITH considering they couldn't do the job last year against Smith.

I don't remember the other premiers other than my team. You couldn't dismiss them against this PENRITH side

 

[Incorrect]

Jono; I see a few of your simulations had one team conceding 50. Can we confirm that your programme is intuitive enough to recognise the curse, and these teams were automatically excluded from the chance to win the Premiership?

Jono checking his simulator earlier this morning....

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I think it's Manly 2008 (the cumulative finals for/against was like 800-4) but I would say that.

Realistically only fans from clubs that didn't win a premiership in the aformentioned period can make a call on this with objectivity IMO

Great, that qualifies us as Warriors fans.

I say Manly 2008 too. 38-6, 32-6 and 40-0 in the finals series. Smashed an incompliant side in a GF record score, and to zero no less. There just hasn't ever been dominance like that in the modern era.

 

[Iamback]

Being minor premiers is cursed.
for that reason the Dragons of 2010 would be up there although that year the Storm lost all their points

 

[Jono078]

Did you run the simulation 100 times mate like the others you do? Any stats on the most common premiers, grand finalists etc. After 100 simulations?

No, not for this one. This is just pure simulation of one result and adding in the "any given day" factor to the results, but usually the cream rises to the top anyway.

In fact the metric should be the quality of the opposition. Melb were weak this year which is a black mark against PENRITH considering they couldn't do the job last year against Smith.

I don't remember the other premiers other than my team. You couldn't dismiss them against this PENRITH side

Funny you mention that.

I've got two videos I've done, just need to edit and upload. One is how far Andrew Johns can take the 2021 Knights and then the other is what if Cameron Smith had not retired this year, both interesting (IMO of course).