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Big League Article - Benny Blames Sheens

madunit

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This is in today's Big League (If there are any spelling errors, they are mine as I have typed this up from the article)

Big League said:
Benny's Broadside: Forget the players - Lay blame on Sheens

Former Tigers great Benny Elias has questioned the future of the Wests Tigers coach Tim Sheens at the club after they were all but ruled out of the finals for the third year running.

Barring a miracle, The Tigers will not feature in the finals, meaning they've failed to reah September footy every year since winning the 2005 premiership. Sheens launched a tirade after their disappointing loss to Manly last weekend, telling many players their futures at the club were no longer secure.

However, Elias believes Sheens is culpable for their poor record over the past three years and said the club needed an overhaul if they were to survive and taste success once again.

"Since the Grand Final we haven't made a semi final...it's terrible and disastrous," Elias lamented.

"I think there needs to be a whole broom taken through the place. The great thing about sport is the scoreboard doesn't lie. The scoreboard is a reflection of the balance sheet. In a business, if you're in the red, you're in all sorts of strife. Our balance sheet is the scoreboard and at the moment we're in all sorts of strife.

"Do you change management? Absolutely, in business if some of it is not working you get rid of the personnel because they're the ones who are responsible for the bottom line."

Local juniors have been the focus of the Tigers for many years, but Elias believes Sheens needs to look elsewhere and start rebuilding the side.

"He's been there a long time now so he sifted through all the deadwood from when he first came to the place. Every player at the club today...he has been able to put pen to paper and bought those players," he said.

"I love Tim, I got him to the club, but sometimes you've got to be accountable because you are the bloke who signs the players.

"You have to get the right person or personnel to help you get the best result out of that team. That is the trick of Tim Sheens, to do that, and if you can't do that...well then you've got to ask the question - who is the right bloke for the job?"

Outgoing Tigers CEO Steve Noyce agrees the club's current situation is not acceptable following the success of 2005. The Wests Tigers will review it's recruitment and retention policies at the end of this season to address the problem.

"Clearly if you play professional sport you want to win comps and play finals series and if you're not doing that there are things you need to review right across the board," Noyce offers.

"Recruitment and retention is like painting the bloody Harbour Bridge - you're always looking at it. So I think once the season is finished the guys will sit down and go through this plan we have and if we think we need to readjust or revisit them we'll do that and work hard to make sure we turn things around."

The man responsible for recruitment at the Tigers, Warren McDonnell, supported Sheens' view some players had failed to live up to their potential.

"We're still very happy with our junior strength coming through the ranks, but perhaps a few of them we've been looking to take a bigger leap than they have when they've hit first grade," says McDonnell.

"We're certainly not going to be saying we're not playing local juniors, but we'll look at our structure and maybe we do need to look at bringing more rep players in but that comes at a price. It's a balancing act and getting it right is the magic key."

I think people who matter are starting to wake up to the sh*t going on and beginning to realise that Sheens has to be accountable.

Reading Noyce's comments, he sounds a bit agitated about the whole issue of recruitment and retention.
 

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Very interesting.

I wonder if this stimulates a bit of media attention. I hope it does. Perhaps rather than Sheens getting the sack, he may change his philosophies and start to make more reasonable team selections and make better recruitment decisions. However I do think we need a better defensive coach.

If something as simple as team selection is improved next year, maybe we will see a real improvement at the Tigers immediately.
 

madunit

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There's also an article about Peni Tagive. A good mag for the Tigers fans to get this week.

He talks about hoping to get his first full pre season of training under his belt so that he can get back to his best and be a permanent member of the first grade team next year.
 

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There's also an article about Peni Tagive. A good mag for the Tigers fans to get this week.

He talks about hoping to get his first full pre season of training under his belt so that he can get back to his best and be a permanent member of the first grade team next year.
Well you sold it on me. I am going to get a copy right now.
 

Spank

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Good to hear its at least being talked about by management at the club and they arnt ignoring it any longer.

ps: i love Peni cant wait to see him in the side permanently next year !
 

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Iam afraid Benny these days is seen as a loose cannon in the media and Sheens is seen as the guru. Of course Benny is just telling it as it really is and as it should be told but nothing will happen. I was really hopping Sheens only had two games to go at tigertown but of course he will be back in 2009 to screw us again
 

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Would Royce Simmons be on a contract? or would he just be staff?? At the least i think Royce has to go, our record in defence over the years has been pathetic, at that includes 2005. Any suggestions on who we could get to replace him
 

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Iam afraid Benny these days is seen as a loose cannon in the media and Sheens is seen as the guru. Of course Benny is just telling it as it really is and as it should be told but nothing will happen. I was really hopping Sheens only had two games to go at tigertown but of course he will be back in 2009 to screw us again


I would suggest that if Sheens is serious with the club starting again with a new vision, existing players not fufilling his hopes, or restructuring etc, if he does not at least make the offer to the club to quit at the end of the season and give them the opportunity to canvas the coaching field for ideas- you never know he may still be best fo rth ejob in the field that puts up their hands- he is just talking crap.

If he does put his hand up, all the coaching staff including the recruitment officer should put their hands up too. One of the problems we keep hearing of is salary cap being reached so we cant afford good established player signings.

If the existing standard of player on our roster brings us to the salary cap- please explain how some of the other clubs manage things. Is it that we always seem, to be left begging for dregs at end of season and have to pay max dollars for each signature rather than proactive early recruitment?
 

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Would Royce Simmons be on a contract? or would he just be staff?? At the least i think Royce has to go, our record in defence over the years has been pathetic, at that includes 2005. Any suggestions on who we could get to replace him
a brick.

same stature and level of intellect with similar coaching ability.

It'd be a darn sight cheaper too
 

madunit

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I would suggest that if Sheens is serious with the club starting again with a new vision, existing players not fufilling his hopes, or restructuring etc, if he does not at least make the offer to the club to quit at the end of the season and give them the opportunity to canvas the coaching field for ideas- you never know he may still be best fo rth ejob in the field that puts up their hands- he is just talking crap.

If he does put his hand up, all the coaching staff including the recruitment officer should put their hands up too. One of the problems we keep hearing of is salary cap being reached so we cant afford good established player signings.

If the existing standard of player on our roster brings us to the salary cap- please explain how some of the other clubs manage things. Is it that we always seem, to be left begging for dregs at end of season and have to pay max dollars for each signature rather than proactive early recruitment?
I dare say we are paying massive overs for players who wouldn't attract anywhere near the same amount elsewhere.

It's an old Sheens policy of buying loyalty, while making it impossible for teams to match the wage they're already on.
 

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I was starting to feel sorry for Sheens, then i thought of some the brain dead selections he has made.

Fitzhenry number 6 = WRONG
Farah number 7 = WRONG
Benji number 7 = WRONG
Morris number 7 = WRONG
Morris number 9 = WRONG...close to right but still wrong.lol
Mcdonnel Number anything = WRONG WRONG and WRONG
Cory Pane = Just WRONG fullstop

Anymore that u guys can think of
 

baddog

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so much material to work with here.
galea to front row - wrong
ben galea as a hooker in front of farah - wrong
ben reynolds - nuff said
teo anywhere near the side after round 10 - wrong
covell to second row - it only happened in reggies, but it was all sheens idea and it was wrong
lawrence to lock and 5/8 - wrong
harrison to front row - destroyed the kid
boof to front row - not a total disaster, but he's so much better in the back row

and the master masterstroke
moodie - the first time was wrong enough, to bring him back was wrong to the power of infinity
 

rupertpupkin

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I was starting to feel sorry for Sheens, then i thought of some the brain dead selections he has made.

Fitzhenry number 6 = WRONG
Farah number 7 = WRONG
Benji number 7 = WRONG
Morris number 7 = WRONG
Morris number 9 = WRONG...close to right but still wrong.lol
Mcdonnel Number anything = WRONG WRONG and WRONG
Cory Pane = Just WRONG fullstop

Anymore that u guys can think of

Paul Whatuiria at number 6?
 

Tom Shines

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It's about time that someone has finally decided to hold Shines accountable. It's only taken three years.
 
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Sheens put Jamaal Lolesi at lock or something to didnt he?

Indeed he did. Whatuira went down after about 10 rounds, but he kept Jamma at lock until about round 19 when Elford also went down, then he FINALLY got a crack in the centres (and went alright out there too).
 

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Interesting comments re Roycie..when he was appointed Tigers defensive coach a few eyebrows were raised out Penriff way,considering the panthers had the worst defensive record the last year he coached them.
 

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Whilst i dont disagree with Benny, wasnt he one of the blokes that decided to give Sheens another 3 when they upgraded his contract last year.
 
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