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Bob Dwyer - Sacking Eddie 'a step back'

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Jones arrived back in Sydney last night following the Wallabies' disastrous European tour and is certain to be sacked after winning only one of four Tests.

Despite the criticism Jones has copped, Dwyer yesterday came out strongly in support of him retaining the position and guiding the Wallabies through to the next World Cup.

"I'm certain he is the right guy, I think it would set us back at least a year to change course," Dwyer said.

"We can't just have knee-jerk reactions to scoreboards, there is more to it than that. I think there have been a lot of pluses to come out of the tour."

Dwyer said the selectors had taken big gambles by throwing inexperienced players into the side based on the fact they believe they are the world-class talent of the future.

"I don't think we need look any further than that, we can see some real talent coming through," he said. Dwyer said well-respected rugby critics outside Australia had praised elements of the team, adding that Jonathan Davies believed the Wallabies were two players away from winning the World Cup.


"As long as we are convinced we are headed in the right direction, we have to stay on target," Dwyer said.


"The number of line breaks we are making off bad ball is astonishing and if we can sort that out we are well on the way to being a real force again."

Dwyer, who revealed he would have loved to have been involved in the analysis of the season, said 17 players were unavailable for the tour.

That included Bill Young, Jeremy Paul and Dan Vickerman, who have been first-choice members of the tight five for several years.

"It was in the tight five that we struggled the most, and the fact is that Vickerman is probably the best caller of the lineouts," Dwyer said.

In addition to that, Dwyer said No.8 David Lyons was also missing.

"We had four of the first-choice pack unavailable and even allowing for all that we were right in every game until the full-time bell," he said.

Dwyer compared the situation to that of the England side beaten 76-0 by the Wallabies in 1998.

"They had a few players out and not only did they keep their coaching staff but some of the players in that game were important members of the winning World Cup team, Jonny Wilkinson for one," Dwyer said.

"The latest example is the (Australia) cricket team. They came back from England, probably played below their best and even had a couple of problems with discipline," Dwyer said.

"It's a distinct parallel, yet they've come back and said 'righto, we can learn from our mistakes'.

Dwyer doesn't believe there is a common view Jones is already gone.

"I think there is far more discussion and analysis and submissions from Eddie and questions on his submissions that need to be asked before people form an opinion," Dwyer said. "I would be be disappointed if our administration formed an opinion from 12,000 miles away - I would think they are much smarter than that and will form an opinion based on facts, not just rumour and innuendo."

The Daily Telegraph



http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,17400225-23217,00.html

Typical coming from a guy that was sacked himself.
 

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aussies1st said:
Well that was a decade ago. Hes lost lots of brain cells since then.

Agreed! Also look at the side he won the Cup with! Most coaches would have won the world cup with that side!
 

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You guys have no f**kin idea. Deadset you'll ridicule anyone who doesn't agree with your precious opinion. Idiots.
 

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And yet out of Jones and yourself, only one of you has won a Super 12 or been appointed Australian coach. Yes, you know so much better.
 

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No Jones record speak for themself. Do I have to pull it out of one thread and put it in here too.
 

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Answer me this question honestly: do you think any other coach would have done as well with the same squad? I would say not.
 

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skeepe said:
Answer me this question honestly: do you think any other coach would have done as well with the same squad? I would say not.

Yes other coaches would have done better. Look how is this for a side

15: Latham
14: Mitchell
13: Turunini
12: Lloyd Johansson
11: Tuquiri
10: Rogers
9: Henjak
8: Fava
7. Smith
6: Roe
5: Sharpe
4:Hugh McMeniman
3: Fitter
2: Tatafu Polota-Nau
1:Holmes

That is a much better balanced side, and that is with the current squad.
 

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How is it better balanced? The front row would be demolished worse than what England did to us, while the backline is almost identical save for a halfback who crumbles under pressure and replacing one of the best backs in Gerrard with a hack like Johannson.
 

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you criticise 'us' for being a bunch of sydney bigots but you georgie gregan are a deluded canberra man.

mark gerrard is a good back but remember he was no where near as good as peter hewat in super 12, whereas someone like johannson has a great future.

i know that your idea of a wallabies side would be to send all the brumbies out there. if the brumbies were so good, why didnt they win the super 12 this season? i would say they had a better squad than the waratahs. remember when the vikings were on top of the sydney premier rugby comp? their first side was on the brumbies bench!
 

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How is it better balanced? The front row would be demolished worse than what England did to us, while the backline is almost identical save for a halfback who crumbles under pressure and replacing one of the best backs in Gerrard with a hack like Johannson.

Umm..did you watch the Ireland match? That was the only time the scrum did not go backwards consistently, and who were the props Fitter and Holmes not the fat slob Dunning! I didn't want to replace Gerrard but the reality is Tuquiri has to go somewhere, considering he is not a centre (FFS he can't pass). But he is deadly when a try scoring opportunity arises. Mitchell has the form on the board. Um..Henjak made more metres in one run against Ireland than Gregan made for the whole tour! When was the last time Gregan made a clean break? You have to realise Gregan is past it!
 

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Tuqiri has done well at 13. Turini probably on the bench as he certainly isn't a 12.
 

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Tuqiri has done well at 13. Turini probably on the bench as he certainly isn't a 12.

Lote has done well, BUT he does not pass the ball. Good number 13's pass the ball ad set up players. Lote is too much of a "ball hog", meaning he wants to score all the time by himself. Rathbone would be a good 13, Turuni played well and matured overseas so he will stay at 12/13.
 

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Definitely not 12, he doesn't do anything. He doesn't do anything right or wrong. He just disappears. Giteau or Johannson are better options at 12.
 

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With respect, neither Turinui or Johansson would get near a full-strength Wallabies line-up:

15. Chris Latham
14. Clyde Rathbone
13. Stirling Mortlock
12. Matt Giteau
11. Lote Tuqiri
10. Stephen Larkham
9. George Gregan (c)
8. David Lyons
7. George Smith
6. Mark Chisholm
5. Nathan Sharpe (vc)
4. Daniel Vickerman
3. Greg Holmes
2. Jeremy Paul
1. Bill Young

16. Tatafu Polota-Nau
17. Phil Waugh
18. Hugh McMeniman
19. Matt Henjak
20. Mat Rogers
21. Drew Mitchell
22. Mark Gerrard

:D
 

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Lyons is to inconsistent at 8. Smith is a better option than him.
Mitchell > Rathbone, Mitchell has that natural flair which doesn't come with everybody. Rathbone has good speed but so does Mitchell.

Mortlock in the test and super 12 this year looked past his best. He wasn't bull dozing ahead like usual.

One thing I do like is Chisolm at 6, Chisolm is too short for lock but the perfect height for blindside. Also he has good ball running skills.
 

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i reckon rathbone is best at outside centre and he should be made a vice captain in the side too. he has good rugby instincts and is a really strong player.

bill young isnt the answer in the front row, but he is better than dunning with all his baby fat.

dan vickerman is australia's most important player because he's the only one who can win lineouts consistently. all he needs now is someone who can throw them in. jeremy paul cant throw lineouts unfortunately.

i never thought chisholm could be an effective breakaway, but i understand it is important to have an extra lineout jumper. if radike samo wasnt so lazy at the breakdown he would be the better bet.

gregan - i think the whole world knows his fate but skeepe, so its either henjak or sheahan. putting in whits, as much as i love him, would be hypocritical if the excuse used for dumping gregan was the 2007 world cup.

barring any major injury, having larkham at 10 means that the 12 must protect him. giteau is a bit fragile but he is obviously a man of the future. mckay has the size to take on the line and if he improves his kicking game, he should be the man because he can take care of himself.

looking towards the future means that tough decisions must be made, and i rate mortlock as a highly effective player. but someone like him should make way for drew mitchell because mitchell is the future and he has the potential to be a great player.
 

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skeepe said:
You guys have no f**kin idea. Deadset you'll ridicule anyone who doesn't agree with your precious opinion. Idiots.

Thats nice. But it's not just us who are calling for his head... plenty of rugby people in the know have been saying it to. And who can blame us? Jones has consistently been selecting Gregan over whitaker, despite the fact that Whitaker has been the better half back over the last 2 years by a long shot! Under Jones the Wallabies have slowly gone from the top team in world rugby, to a bunch of also rans that are now the laughing stock of world rugby! You can blame it on the players all you want, but the fact is that Jones hasn't produced consistent results since he took over! If he was coach of the All Blacks he'd have been fired a long time ago.
 

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