brett finch

[Karmawave]

Not many at all. My point is about durability.

A player who has played just 50 or so games could provide more games for a club over a guy who has already played 200+

In regards to Petero and Cross, that obviously hasnt eventuated.

You cannot argue that playing less games at the top level could possibly make you a more durable player as far as existing injuries go. If you dont understand that, than you have misinterpretated my point.

It's not that I don't understand it, I simply don't agree with it.

An aging body runs down as you get older whether you've played lots of first grade or not Tim. Common sense tells us that no matter what kind of workload you have had, your risk of injury increases as you get older , your recovery from injury is slower, your speed and agility is drastically reduced, your reflexes slow up alot... I mean the list goes on mate.

I can see your point and all , but if it was anything other than NRL rugby league, I may be swayed to it.

The NRL though, is a game that is getting younger and faster by the week, let alone by the year.

 

[Newie is God's Country]

Karma you are clearly full of yourself so go and talk to your beloved mirror.

 

[mozza91]

Karma you are clearly full of yourself so go and talk to your beloved mirror.

I disagree I don't think Karma is full of himself, he strikes me as one of those people who hates everything but hates himself most of all, he also seems the type who'd tell young children that Santa isn't real just to see their hopes and dreams crash and burn

 

[BG]

It's just so lame when everyone here gets so defensive ( and I'm not meaning you Pika ) all the time, and then goes on to point out ridiculously crap teams as if to say that ' hey at least we are not like them '.

Too many people here love to focus on comparisons to mediocrity, and that will get us nowhere fast.

A case can be argued that to win grand finals, or at least to be Top 4, successful outside recruitment needs to take place on top of looking after your own junior system.

Yet you were the one who posted a list of marquee signings that were made by some of those "ridiculously crap teams".

Another thing you overlook is that a star recruit often affects the ability to re-sign top level talent already at a club. Broncos might have got Folau but they lost Hannant and Ennis and now are likely to lose Hunt.

One thing I like about Smith's policy since he has been at the Knights is that notwithstanding the enormous amount of recruitment, the strategy has been to prioritise the tying up of the top-liners he under no circumstances wants to lose: initially that was Kids, Simmo and Mullo; and since then, while contract negotiations were only recently concluded with a wider section of the squad, we moved early and decisively on the boom prospects coming off contract, namely Pato and Sau.

 

[Karmawave]

Yet you were the one who posted a list of marquee signings that were made by some of those "ridiculously crap teams".

Crap teams with more relative recent success than we've had... Every team mentioned has had more recent success than us. It's fair to say the Marquee signings at the Bulldogs worked well this year. Not to mention while the Roosters are struggling in 2009, their marquee signings took them from outside the 8 into the Top 6 in 2008. Sustained success in the salary cap era is difficult. But some would be nice. Lets see how we go for the rest of 2009 hey?

I disagree I don't think Karma is full of himself, he strikes me as one of those people who hates everything but hates himself most of all, he also seems the type who'd tell young children that Santa isn't real just to see their hopes and dreams crash and burn

Karma you are clearly full of yourself so go and talk to your beloved mirror.

Nice to see we can have discussions here without resorting to personal attacks.

 

[voltron]

The Broncos won the competition in 2006 and were one game away from the grand final last year.

The Roosters made the Top 8 last year. Ditto the Sharks. Souths made the finals more recently than us.

Sure they might not be going all that great now, but that is what happens in a competition that revolves around a Salary Cap. Sustained success is not easy, and worst to first situations are more common than you realise.

When was the last time Newcastle made the 8?

All of the teams mentioned above have had more recent success than we have that is for sure...

broncos are NOW on a huge four game losing streak, i mean theyre losing pretty badly, NOW cuz they signed falou

the roosters, cant adapt to the new style of play from the 2 refs
why? because they have no depth to turn to, and they cant sign anyone either because all these players have tied up their money.
and they lost a lot of depth because of it

the sharks made the signing this year, topou and barret
and are now in the fight for the spoon

i would love to sign a big player
but there's always a sacrifice

how much are the sharks lamenting the letting go of kimmorley and de gois now? the broncos the missing out on ennis, hannat, stagg and co. the roosters on letting go soward, shakleton etc.

on this forum we have people saying we HAVE to sign this and that player
and for the most part we have been able to
but to do that we have to sacrifice the big name players
i'd like one, but i dont really want to lose like patto, or houston, or our other up and comers

 

[reginald.p]

I agree why sign a player like Folau when you could use the same amount of money to sign Naiqama Luila and Luke Mcdougall, if i had a choice between the two i know which one i would choose!

The Broncos don't know what they are doing. Look at their squad its stacked with rep players they need more depth like us thats why they don't have any premiership trophys. Maybe Brian Smiths could lend them one of his many premiership trophys he has amassed using his strategy of refusing to sign good players.

 

[Big Tim]

his strategy of refusing to sign good players.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Serc]

good point
these teams have sacrificed depth for big stars
broncos is the main one in this,

our winning against the bulldogs at super understrength is a great sign for us and our depth

The Broncos won the competition in 2006 and were one game away from the grand final last year.

The Roosters made the Top 8 last year. Ditto the Sharks. Souths made the finals more recently than us.

Sure they might not be going all that great now, but that is what happens in a competition that revolves around a Salary Cap. Sustained success is not easy, and worst to first situations are more common than you realise.

The Broncos had depth in 2006 (guys like Moon, Taylor, Costigan, Michaels etc were playing just a few games for them)...they most certainly don't have depth now, and would never have beat the Dogs like we did a month ago with so many players out!

Just the cycles of the salary cap and for the first time I think they might experience a proper downturn like the rest of the competition does from time to time (and boy am i enjoying it!)

And finally we are on the way up on one of these cycles

 

[Karmawave]

And finally we are on the way up on one of these cycles

All we can do is hope that our on the way up cycles doesn't end up like the Cronulla Sharks on the way up cycles...

 

[aqua_duck]

People talk about our 2009 being similar to the 2008 Cronulla Sharks. I don't see anything to suggest that the 2009 Cronulla Sharks could potentially be the 2010 Newcastle Knights either...

The sharks team of 2008 is very diffferent to that of 2009.
They say your most important players are your fullback, 5/8th, halfback and hooker. Last year the sharks had:
1.Kearney
6.Seymour
7.Kimmorley
9.De Gois

This year they have:
1.Stapleton
6.Barrett
7.Porter
9.Hughes

Thats 4 new players in your most important positions. Add to that the loss of Greg Bird and its not hard to see why the sharks are struggling this year compared to 2008

 

[cram]

I disagree I don't think Karma is full of himself, he strikes me as one of those people who hates everything but hates himself most of all, he also seems the type who'd tell young children that Santa isn't real just to see their hopes and dreams crash and burn

You might be on to something there :lol::lol:

 

[Karmawave]

The sharks team of 2008 is very diffferent to that of 2009.
They say your most important players are your fullback, 5/8th, halfback and hooker. Last year the sharks had:
1.Kearney
6.Seymour
7.Kimmorley
9.De Gois

This year they have:
1.Stapleton
6.Barrett
7.Porter
9.Hughes

Thats 4 new players in your most important positions. Add to that the loss of Greg Bird and its not hard to see why the sharks are struggling this year compared to 2008

Correct.

Kearney - injured.

Seymour - injured

Kimmorley - released

De Gois - at Knights.


What would occur to our line up if:-

1. Gidley - injured
6. Mullen - injured

7. Well we haven't got a good one anyway...

9. De Gois -healthy.



Who covers these positions in 2010 if there are injuries?

 

[Joker's Wild]

Correct.

Kearney - injured.

Seymour - injured

Kimmorley - released

De Gois - at Knights.


What would occur to our line up if:-

1. Gidley - injured
6. Mullen - injured

7. Well we haven't got a good one anyway...

9. De Gois -healthy.



Who covers these positions in 2010 if there are injuries?

Do that to any team in the NRL and they are farked for the season.

Exactly what point are you trying to make? That we need players of equal skill/talent running round the local comp to cover? Pretty unrealistic

 

[aqua_duck]

If dogs lost Patten, Roberts, Kimmorley and Ennis they're side would be running close to last. You can't go into a season thinking what if my 2 best players get injured...