Brian Smith too intense?

[Jake the snake]

Lyon in the Big League and Tonga in the SMH today both stated that one of the reasons for leaving was that Parra was too intense and that both of there new clubs are more laid back.

I have always said that Brian Smiths coaching techiques were to complicated and that it confused players. Its a simple game really u hit the ball up har for 6 tackles through the forwards and defend like hell when the other team has the ball.

But I feel Smith gets to technical when a simple solution is required. Players Like Tonga and Lyon were probably thinking "what is this guy going on about?? Its a simple game just let us play football for crying out loud."

Both Tonga and Lyon "were not enjoying there football at Parra" and are from the country and so was Ryan (who left for less money). Maybe a laid back attitude is what Parra needs.

 

[Eels Dude]

They probably do need a more laid back attitude. It's a shame Brian Smith doesn't realise this. However at the same time players like Cayless and Hindmarsh obviously like the way he coaches. I wish Smith would be more leniant, but I don't think it's any excuse for players like Lyon to walk out just because they don't agree with his methods.

 

[GoParra]

Not sure with Lyon or Tonga, but I have spoken to Ryan several times and he never wanted to leave Parra, he has good mates here and was enjoying his footy, it was more of a business decision than any unhappiness at parra

 

[strider]

So - Brian Smith only became too intense in the period from when Jamie signed his 3yr $300K contact mid 2003 and when he got fed up and walked out in March 2004.....because otherwise, why would you be so willing to sign up for 3 years if you are so down about how intense it is?......but Tonga already left by mid 2003, so Brian must have been too intense then too....hmmm.

It seems obvious guys just don't like the way Brian coaches....maybe it gets to you over time???....but sorry Jamie - your case doesn't really wash cos you had been there a long time and knew the stituation, then suddenly bye bye.

Obviously some players like more structure than others cos alot of our players like Brian.

Its a shame Brian can't be a bit more flexible towards different players.....but I guess its hard to give one group more intensity and structure (those that like that way) while letting another group have their freedom.

 

[Big Mick]

So - Brian Smith only became too intense in the period from when Jamie signed his 3yr $300K contact mid 2003 and when he got fed up and walked out in March 2004.....because otherwise, why would you be so willing to sign up for 3 years if you are so down about how intense it is?

Because Noel Kleal was there

 

[Eelementary]

I don't really care what those two need.

Fact is, intensity is required for some degree of success.

I am sure that Stuart, Folkes and Bennett are more intense in the pre-match rituals and training that most people realise.

Those two are just babies who decided they're not serious enough about footy to really want to strive for it.

 

[Eelementary]

Not sure with Lyon or Tonga, but I have spoken to Ryan several times and he never wanted to leave Parra, he has good mates here and was enjoying his footy, it was more of a business decision than any unhappiness at parra

I agree. I saw him a few weeks ago out Parramatta way. He'd been having a few beers, so he was at his, shall we say, "most emotionally honest phase."

He told me, in earnest, he loves it at the Dogs now, but would have loved to stay at Parramatta, and wishes us all the best for next year.

Great, great guy.

 

[strider]

I'm gonna go down the same track as another poster here and do a funny little play for us all...

This is the way we could have kept everyone happy and had them all stay at Parra - it blends the structure with the free-wheeling approaches to coaching....had this unfolded in early 2003, then maybe things would be different today.


BS: "OK guys, here's our gameplan for today...I've decided to cater to all your needs"
Hindy: "What? I can wear my pants around my ankles?"
BS: "No sorry - I can only be so flexible....anyway, back to the gameplan..."
BS: "Hindy - you'll stand 10m to the left of centre field - you can only take 2 steps either side of this - any more and you'll be benched"
Hindy: "OK....but if my pants end up around my ankles, I'm not pulling them up"
BS: "Wags - you stand on the left there - if you get the ball don't pass it because someone might drop it - we'd hate to lose possession - it'd be far better to just get tackled with it"
Wags: "OK - anything you say...do I have to talk to the ref? I hate being captain - the refs are sooo mean"
BS: "Oh Jamie....can we have just 10 seconds of your time here - I don't mean to drag you away from the playstation, but you might need to put your gear on cos there's only 2 minutes until we go out"
Jamie: "Ohhhhh, OK....but I'm finishing this game at half time"
BS: "Thats fine...thanks so much Jamie, I know its hard having to do the things we don't always want to do....and Crusher - thanks so much for playing that game with Jamie, we'll give u that big pay rise later on"
BS: "Finally - Willie Tonga, I know you can't defend to save your life, but we are putting you in first grade today cos we think we can make up the 16 points you'll allow down the left side....I want you and Jamie to stand anywhere you want on the field today, it doesn't matter if there is a big gap outside you, let Hindy cover it - he loves tackling....don't worry about defense - just think tries, you know how much the media love guys who score lots of tries"
Willie T: "Yeah OK, whatever.....I wish we had some criminals in this team....it'd be so much more fun playing with them like Andy Ryan gets to"


Well there you go....maybe not as good as Misty's, but i gave it a shot...and who knows, maybe we'd all be happy today had this actually happened 18 months ago.

 

[Eelementary]

I'm gonna go down the same track as another poster here and do a funny little play for us all...

This is the way we could have kept everyone happy and had them all stay at Parra - it blends the structure with the free-wheeling approaches to coaching....had this unfolded in early 2003, then maybe things would be different today.


BS: "OK guys, here's our gameplan for today...I've decided to cater to all your needs"
Hindy: "What? I can wear my pants around my ankles?"
BS: "No sorry - I can only be so flexible....anyway, back to the gameplan..."
BS: "Hindy - you'll stand 10m to the left of centre field - you can only take 2 steps either side of this - any more and you'll be benched"
Hindy: "OK....but if my pants end up around my ankles, I'm not pulling them up"
BS: "Wags - you stand on the left there - if you get the ball don't pass it because someone might drop it - we'd hate to lose possession - it'd be far better to just get tackled with it"
Wags: "OK - anything you say...do I have to talk to the ref? I hate being captain - the refs are sooo mean"
BS: "Oh Jamie....can we have just 10 seconds of your time here - I don't mean to drag you away from the playstation, but you might need to put your gear on cos there's only 2 minutes until we go out"
Jamie: "Ohhhhh, OK....but I'm finishing this game at half time"
BS: "Thats fine...thanks so much Jamie, I know its hard having to do the things we don't always want to do....and Crusher - thanks so much for playing that game with Jamie, we'll give u that big pay rise later on"
BS: "Finally - Willie Tonga, I know you can't defend to save your life, but we are putting you in first grade today cos we think we can make up the 16 points you'll allow down the left side....I want you and Jamie to stand anywhere you want on the field today, it doesn't matter if there is a big gap outside you, let Hindy cover it - he loves tackling....don't worry about defense - just think tries, you know how much the media love guys who score lots of tries"
Willie T: "Yeah OK, whatever.....I wish we had some criminals in this team....it'd be so much more fun playing with them like Andy Ryan gets to"


Well there you go....maybe not as good as Misty's, but i gave it a shot...and who knows, maybe we'd all be happy today had this actually happened 18 months ago.

I for one would not be happy.

Sure, we'd have Tonga and maybe Lyon still. But as far as I'm concerned, intensity is essential for success.

That's why Manly, Souths and even us to a degree haven't managed it - we can play with intensity, but only for one or two games.

Intesnity is essential, IMO.

 

[JessEel]

Those two are just babies who decided they're not serious enough about footy to really want to strive for it.

How does Willie Tonga give off the impression he is not serious about footy!! For gods sake, if someone gets interviewed and twisted around its mean writers, if willie sayss something along the lines of 'it didn't suit me' (which he has said to me manys a time) he's not serious about footy

poor bugger left parra because he wanted first grade and rep and to shine like the superstar that he is and you're questioning his dedication? im sorry to badger you mate, but thats buggs me to no end

 

[ParraMatt]

I think you have to be intensed to some extent.

 

[1eyedeel]

I'm gonna go down the same track as another poster here and do a funny little play for us all...

This is the way we could have kept everyone happy and had them all stay at Parra - it blends the structure with the free-wheeling approaches to coaching....had this unfolded in early 2003, then maybe things would be different today.


BS: "OK guys, here's our gameplan for today...I've decided to cater to all your needs"
Hindy: "What? I can wear my pants around my ankles?"
BS: "No sorry - I can only be so flexible....anyway, back to the gameplan..."
BS: "Hindy - you'll stand 10m to the left of centre field - you can only take 2 steps either side of this - any more and you'll be benched"
Hindy: "OK....but if my pants end up around my ankles, I'm not pulling them up"
BS: "Wags - you stand on the left there - if you get the ball don't pass it because someone might drop it - we'd hate to lose possession - it'd be far better to just get tackled with it"
Wags: "OK - anything you say...do I have to talk to the ref? I hate being captain - the refs are sooo mean"
BS: "Oh Jamie....can we have just 10 seconds of your time here - I don't mean to drag you away from the playstation, but you might need to put your gear on cos there's only 2 minutes until we go out"
Jamie: "Ohhhhh, OK....but I'm finishing this game at half time"
BS: "Thats fine...thanks so much Jamie, I know its hard having to do the things we don't always want to do....and Crusher - thanks so much for playing that game with Jamie, we'll give u that big pay rise later on"
BS: "Finally - Willie Tonga, I know you can't defend to save your life, but we are putting you in first grade today cos we think we can make up the 16 points you'll allow down the left side....I want you and Jamie to stand anywhere you want on the field today, it doesn't matter if there is a big gap outside you, let Hindy cover it - he loves tackling....don't worry about defense - just think tries, you know how much the media love guys who score lots of tries"
Willie T: "Yeah OK, whatever.....I wish we had some criminals in this team....it'd be so much more fun playing with them like Andy Ryan gets to"


Well there you go....maybe not as good as Misty's, but i gave it a shot...and who knows, maybe we'd all be happy today had this actually happened 18 months ago.

lol.. I like it Strider!

 

[strider]

Those two are just babies who decided they're not serious enough about footy to really want to strive for it.

How does Willie Tonga give off the impression he is not serious about footy!! For gods sake, if someone gets interviewed and twisted around its mean writers, if willie sayss something along the lines of 'it didn't suit me' (which he has said to me manys a time) he's not serious about footy

poor bugger left parra because he wanted first grade and rep and to shine like the superstar that he is and you're questioning his dedication? im sorry to badger you mate, but thats buggs me to no end

Yeah I think we are a bit harsh on Willie, he never did anything wrong - just wanted to play footy.

Jamie - well he deserves a bagging

 

[bartman]

I have no problem with Willie Tonga or Andrew Ryan leaving. Unlike Jamie, they were both all above board. It's nothing to do with not being intense enough, they've both imrpoved their footy immensely.

Sure you'd like to keep the players that go on to improve elsewhere, but they made their own chocies at the relevent times, and you've got to respect them for that. It may be Parra's loss, but you can't hate these two players because of that?

 

[Eelementary]

Those two are just babies who decided they're not serious enough about footy to really want to strive for it.

How does Willie Tonga give off the impression he is not serious about footy!! For gods sake, if someone gets interviewed and twisted around its mean writers, if willie sayss something along the lines of 'it didn't suit me' (which he has said to me manys a time) he's not serious about footy

poor bugger left parra because he wanted first grade and rep and to shine like the superstar that he is and you're questioning his dedication? im sorry to badger you mate, but thats buggs me to no end

IF (and that's a big if, because as you said, the writers may have changed his words around) Willie didn't say that it was too intense, then fair enough.

However, IMO anyone who complains that so and so club is too intense is not interested in success. This is the NRL - the best and most competitive League in the world. Intensity is a prerequisite if you wish to succeed.

He maybe didn't say it was too intense.

But if he did ay it, I stand by what I said.

 

[Hurriflatch]

Gotta agree with you Bartman

I hate seeing players go but it is a fact of footy that playters change clubs and some may well be due to the coach, others due to money or the chance to play 1st grade.

but Lyon is a dog

 

[ParraMatt]

Lyon = dog.

 

[Suitman]

Those two are just babies who decided they're not serious enough about footy to really want to strive for it.

How does Willie Tonga give off the impression he is not serious about footy!! For gods sake, if someone gets interviewed and twisted around its mean writers, if willie sayss something along the lines of 'it didn't suit me' (which he has said to me manys a time) he's not serious about footy

poor bugger left parra because he wanted first grade and rep and to shine like the superstar that he is and you're questioning his dedication? im sorry to badger you mate, but thats buggs me to no end

IF (and that's a big if, because as you said, the writers may have changed his words around) Willie didn't say that it was too intense, then fair enough.

However, IMO anyone who complains that so and so club is too intense is not interested in success. This is the NRL - the best and most competitive League in the world. Intensity is a prerequisite if you wish to succeed.
He maybe didn't say it was too intense.

But if he did say it, I stand by what I said.

I think intensity is a prerequisite as well.
Maybe though, their is something that is too intense.
Who knows.

But whatever intensity the Bulldogs are at, it is less than Parra's....and it is successful.

Suity

 

[fish eel]

At least he never said Smith is not professional enough....unlike Manly

 

[True EEL]

Smith has been too intense off the field

and obviously doesn't prepare the players well enough to maintain intesnity on the field.....simple as that really