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paulmac

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Average temps in both will be between 24-32 degrees in both destinations. If played in the evening expect about 24-26 degrees which is I believe a reasonable temperature to play in.
I know Darwin has lighting in their stadium but whenever Cairns has hosted an NRL match it has been a day game.
 

franklin2323

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So Brown has set up a draw that probably gets the RLWC a profit before a ball is even kicked, but you would rather plod games elsewhere on the hope that they hit mystical targets...

Sydney is utterly saturated with sport and obviously is indifferent to attending RL (note: last nights game and that ANZAC test that half-filled the SFS)

You can shut your eyes and say "pretty please give us a good crowd", but Brown is the one who cops it when it fails. And he has put success beyond doubt.

What's Newcastle done wrong to get no games then? Or Wollongong?
 

franklin2323

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I feel like some posters are being real hypocrites, namely Perth Red and it's based entirely on a hatred of Sydney (like that's the only reason people are unhappy with ground selection). How can you post so incessantly about how awful suburban grounds are for the NRL and completely change your stance for the WC? So playing regular season NRL matches in suburban grounds is totally unacceptable and a terrible look for the game but playing games in them at the WC, supposedly the most prestigious tournament in RL, is completely acceptable? Not only that but playing double headers as well. It's complete double standards.

Also whilst I think a lot of us think that Sydney deserved more games, or at least should have gotten at least 1 big match lets not frame the entire argument around that.

If anything the main argument is around the size of stadiums chosen moreso than just whether or not Sydney deserved more. There will only be 2 crowds in this WC with more than 30K people attending, that is just unacceptable. We were planning to play the opener at the MCG but have now just settled for Aami, surely there was a better compromise. Playing a semi final at a ground that holds 30K or less is just laughable as well. At some point we have to show just a little ambition. I understand that playing at big grounds that are empty can be a bad look and lose money but we didn't have to be this conservative.

I'm not convinced that the double headers were a good idea or that they'll even attract bigger crowds than they would have as individual events. Time will tell I guess but I think the matches should have been kept separated. I think that certain areas missed out when they would have made ideal locations (Newcastle and SEQ come to mind). I'm not sure how much thought was put into demographics either, France vs Lebanon (plus some of the games involving the islander teams) could have drawn well in Sydney IMO.

The travelling part of the tournament has been poorly handled. Teams are being made to travel too much which is going to increase the costs dramatically. That plus it decreases the ability for people to travel with the teams and watch all the matches which will have a negative impact on crowds.

In terms of the bidding process and how matches are allocated it's hard to have a discussion without a more transparent process. How much money did each area actually bid? How long did the negotiations last and with whom did they occur? My guess is that we haven't made as much money from the bidding process as we would like to believe and that in general they were handled poorly. I guess the proof will be in the pudding, supposedly the stadium selections were made on the basis of guaranteeing the tournament profit. Well this tournament better be incredibly profitable to the point of making up for the lack of big crowds throughout the event. Maybe it's because I have become incredibly sceptical as a fan of RL and international RL but I'm not that optimistic.

That's my issue. I can live with Sydney only getting the games it got. Newcastle should of had one. AAMI Park should not of got the opener and SF. 50k seater at Etihad is perfect
 

Perth Red

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The only thing they did wrong was vote in a State Govt that refused to contribute to hosting the tournament. You still don't seem to accept that other cities have put up millions of $'s but somehow you think Newcastle and wollongong are just entitled to host a game for free? Why would that be? How would the cities that have paid big $'s feel if NSW cities got games for free?

re the Melbourne venue choice, AAMI is much much better for fans than Etihad (all be it smaller). Etihad is not perfect (other than its capacity). And once again you don't know the cost v revenue comparison that would have been done between hosting at the two venues. One can only presume that AAMI was the better financial option, or do you think they have chosen AAMI over Etihad for giggles?
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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What's Newcastle done wrong to get no games then? Or Wollongong?

Nothing. What makes them ENTITLED to a game??

Other cities bid millions for these games, why give then away for less than nothing to cities that already get a lot of League.

Why is this event, the one-in-four-years event that is the entire funding source of the RLIF, the thing that should be losing money to spread the game?
Do that with NRL games, most of them cant draw crowds anyway...
 

deal.with.it

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People struggle so hard to understand how the biggest sporting events in the world are planned.
RL fans should be happy that the rlwc is now one of those big events. The usa is bidding ffs.
 
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Lol

It's so big the opener featuring the two biggest RL countries will barely get 30,000 people to it and the semi final will get less.

And the USA is not bidding, some fella who has nothing to do with the sport has claimed he will bid on its behalf. And he has no chance, because it is not a big event. Not big enough to be primarily played outside two countries anyway.
 

taipan

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Lol

It's so big the opener featuring the two biggest RL countries will barely get 30,000 people to it and the semi final will get less.

And the USA is not bidding, some fella who has nothing to do with the sport has claimed he will bid on its behalf. And he has no chance, because it is not a big event. Not big enough to be primarily played outside two countries anyway.

There will be SFA freebies for a start.
It will not get bigger if the RLWC lose money,based on your suggestions.Then we won't have to worry about any stadiums(regardless of size) ,because it won't be staged in the future.
 

Perth Red

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That's the spirit ECT!

It is arguably.y the 4th biggest sport World Cup in the world and is heading in the right direction tournament after tournament.
 
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2013 RLWC

Game Venue capacity
Opener 72,000
Semi 90,000


Ahhhh it won't make a profit and won't be staged ever again!!!



Grow the game by making it smaller. Genius.
 

franklin2323

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Nothing. What makes them ENTITLED to a game??

Other cities bid millions for these games, why give then away for less than nothing to cities that already get a lot of League.

Why is this event, the one-in-four-years event that is the entire funding source of the RLIF, the thing that should be losing money to spread the game?
Do that with NRL games, most of them cant draw crowds anyway...

How do we know they even had the option to bid? All we have heard is the talks were with the governments not the individual areas. That's the best footy ground in the state. Regional area and RL heartland. I think the option should of been put to them to put up the money
 

taipan

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2013 RLWC

Game Venue capacity
Opener 72,000
Semi 90,000


Ahhhh it won't make a profit and won't be staged ever again!!!



Grow the game by making it smaller. Genius.


Up front money guarantees by Govt and stadium management ,that's the difference.If the State Govt had been prepared to step up to the mark,we wouldn't be arguing the point.

Growing the game by @getting money up front and a better chance of a profit.b) Spreading it around the country to new markets helps grow the game,else we may as well forget also Intenational development.Sydney has two games, in a 45,000 seat stadium.Let's see what crowds roll up.
Getting 21,000 against NZ at the SFSwhich I attended last time at the opening game ,is p*ssweak,and hardly profitable.
 
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The crowd for the opener in Sydney in 2008 was 34,000, not 21,000.

The opener next year won't even get that. So if 34k isn't profitable, what will 30k max be?

So much fail.
 

taipan

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The crowd for the opener in Sydney in 2008 was 34,000, not 21,000.

The opener next year won't even get that. So if 34k isn't profitable, what will 30k max be?

So much fail.


Capacity over 42,000 not full ,for an opener in Pool A against the Kiwis.That's my point. I attended and there was plenty of empty spaces.Not a good look.
That;s the argument for the Sharks playing in a semi with a full house locally compared to a half full SFS.

And how much will the Vic Govt pay ,compared to what if any the NSW paid in 2008.It's not just ticket sales,and who knows the number of freebies in 2008.If there is pent up demand (due to lower capacity)you can charge more for tickets,any marketing novice knows that.

So much fail LOL.Your quite happy to give events away.Must have been on the Eel's board.If you want to showcase events in half full stadiums go ahead.

You don;t have to be a rocket science to know big stadiums look better when full and we all want that.Trouble is Sydney town has let us down too often.

I'll tell you what's a fail.The tournament losing money ,or just breaking square.2000 RLWC was a classic example.
 
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So you saying there were 21k there was either a lie or you have nfi what you're talking about.

Either way: credibility = 0

"Sydney town has let us down"
"Give events away"
"Not a good look"

So why are there two games in Sydney next year?

So much hypocrisy in one thread.
 

taipan

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So you saying there were 21k there was either a lie or you have nfi what you're talking about.

Either way: credibility = 0

"Sydney town has let us down"
"Give events away"
"Not a good look"

So why are there two games in Sydney next year?

So much hypocrisy in one thread.

Look I'm not going in to a tit for tat,to boost your constant whining ego.The 21,000 came from a match against the Kiwis at the SFS.OK not the RLWC so shoot me.The fact is it wasn't full at the opening match,no matter what spin you put on it.Despite all the marketing.

If both games are not sold out next year at the SFS ,then we have a problem.90,000 seats need to be sold out,as no Govt handout involved.

Maybe you should ask the Lebanese community.They may well turn up in decent numbers.

Hypocrisy LOL .I'm wanting this event to be a financial success.If it's not ,then you go cream your jeans(I told you so).If as I suspect it will be,then cry in your beer.
 
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So you were wrong. By miles.

And your whinge that Sydney doesn't support games, games should not be given for free and it would be embarrassing to have empty seats at the SFS, therefore the organisers for it right, is totally contradicted by the very fact there are two games there next year.


Well done.
 

taipan

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So you were wrong. By miles.

And your whinge that Sydney doesn't support games, games should not be given for free and it would be embarrassing to have empty seats at the SFS, therefore the organisers for it right, is totally contradicted by the very fact there are two games there next year.


Well done.

I was right that it was no where near sold out.I'll use that spin.The crowds against the Kiwis have been nothing to write home about.

The organisers placed what they think will be the best drawing games in Sydney,and even then they are taking a punt,let's see.If there were no games in Sydney you would whine even louder ,if that's possible.
 
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So they are now right to give games for free, to a city that "doesn't support games" and that is likely to embarrass due to empty seats?

Never mind spin, you have backflips mastered.
 

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