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Burtie

oldmancraigy

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long serving legend - but quick question:

Do we pay him to go out there and play, or does he pay to get a gig?

I know he got a new deal for "less cash" recently - based on his form I assume that deal means that he pays for the cost for a ticket at each venue we visit and then and slips Ozzie an extra $50 to trot out on the wing?


Discuss.
 

cv8z

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To me looks like he's lost some pace or maybe carrying injury.
Or maybe he's not happy.
 

parra pete

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The opposition are kicking to him plenty..so you can't really say he's not getting any ball.
Seems to be off the boil at the moment..Hope he comes good...Been fantastic in past few seasons and the early part of this year....goal kicking still a handy string to his bow...
 

strider

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lets blame wingers for our complete lack of direction :thumn


yeah he hasn't done much 2nd half of the season, but he's barely getting the ball .... at the roosters game in the 2nd half when we had a period with several repeat sets of 6, Burt (and to an extent Tahu) stood out wide, unmarked for much of it, calling for the ball, waving their arms .... but what happened - we just went back into the guts where there were a sh*tload of defenders .... you could see them shaking their heads every time there was a chance to get it out to them, but someone went back inside instead ..... so eventually Burt got jack of waiting and actually went into the middle looking to support a runner, and what happens? oh we'll pass it out there now when the roosters have recovered and spread their defense ..... f'n woeful vision from our playmakers
 

strider

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The opposition are kicking to him plenty..so you can't really say he's not getting any ball.
Seems to be off the boil at the moment..Hope he comes good...Been fantastic in past few seasons and the early part of this year....goal kicking still a handy string to his bow...

:lol: :lol: .... gee I thought we were talking about, backline movements - oh here's a bit of space, see what you can do - type getting the ball ..... not here's a f'n bomb dropping directly on your head with none of your teammates bothering to give you cover and 2 opposition players getting a good run and jump at it - good luck, do your best, hope you catch it, make a long break and look like a superstar
 

Bazal

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Yeah he's not playing great, but he's hardly being involved...we're not moving the ball at all, we're not kicking for him, we're not even using him as a sometime playmaker like we used to. He's just kind of forgotten about out there on the wing...and being a smaller guy, he's not the kind of winger to come in and take hitups like Grothe does because he just gets dominated. So as a result, he just sits out there catching a cold and swearing a lot (anyone else noticed that BTW?)
 

Parra R 4 Me

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lets blame wingers for our complete lack of direction :thumn


yeah he hasn't done much 2nd half of the season, but he's barely getting the ball .... at the roosters game in the 2nd half when we had a period with several repeat sets of 6, Burt (and to an extent Tahu) stood out wide, unmarked for much of it, calling for the ball, waving their arms .... but what happened - we just went back into the guts where there were a sh*tload of defenders .... you could see them shaking their heads every time there was a chance to get it out to them, but someone went back inside instead ..... so eventually Burt got jack of waiting and actually went into the middle looking to support a runner, and what happens? oh we'll pass it out there now when the roosters have recovered and spread their defense ..... f'n woeful vision from our playmakers

I was at the game last night, right on the fence (20metre) and in the 2nd half Burt's right in front of me waving, yelling the only thing he didn't do was dance for the ball to come to him, we had a 4 on 2 over lap and they go back the way they justs came, if he wasn't pissed off I was.
 

salvy71

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Really struggling to defend kicks at the moment but in saying that the whole team is awful ...probably the worst in the league .....if i was an opposition coach I'd instruct the team to bombard Parra with bombs and grubbers ...you'd be guaranteed 4 or 5 tries a game ....
 

mrpwnd

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I was at the game last night, right on the fence (20metre) and in the 2nd half Burt's right in front of me waving, yelling the only thing he didn't do was dance for the ball to come to him, we had a 4 on 2 over lap and they go back the way they justs came, if he wasn't pissed off I was.
Well, the reason everyones pissed at him is because he didn't strip and dance for the ball.
 

Joely01

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he's not getting the ball,

what more can he do

He can go in there and take a few dummy half runs he is doing 1 maybe 2 a game, help the forwards out a bit and do some runs. You are a professional football player this should be the bread and butter stuff.
 

hybrideel

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The thing that's pissing me off about Burt is he's killing my fantasy team. 1 good round out of the last 8 and his value has dropped by $90k. :p
 

Stagger eel

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he's the least of our problems...

Luke is a very talented footballer but tends to perform when others around him are doing their job properly.
 

Forty20

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he's the least of our problems...

Luke is a very talented footballer but tends to perform when others around him are doing their job properly.

And our team has performed best when we have played direct and let offloads become a strong facet of our game rather than the crux of it.

Burt is a clever footballer and is a highly talented player outright but his value to the team comes to the forefront when he is getting aggressive ball (be it by kick or pass) from his playmakers (pretty much Hayne). He is nearly always exceptionally positioned for either and has a knack of converting those half opportunites into 4 pointers.

Early in the season Haynes double cut to Burt was our premier scoring tactic, yet with Hayne taking on more and more responsibilties across the park it has being put back on the shelf.

Our pack is doing the hard yards up the middle and more often than not is dominant over the opposition, at least in offence but our halves (bless their souls...) are both too focused on working the short/inside balls and simply too slow in their genuine backline distribution (i.e passing it beyond a playmaking Hayne).

Coming back to my earlier point, our best games (Manly pt 2, Melbourne) involved us playing tougher and straighter, forcing the defence to make tough choices and then utilising select and effective offloading to generate pressure and space for Hayne/Robson/Mortimer to get the ball out wide for Grothe/Inu and Burt.

On a mighty fine tangent Mortimer should not be kicking for touch, taking defensive 5th tackle kicks (unless Hayne, Robson, Keating Bros aren't available) and needs to shelve the wonky bomb and learn the crossfield chip and the grubber. Then maybe Burt will feature more in non-Hayne related attacking raids.
 
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oldmancraigy

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The question is NOT "is Burt the source of our struggles"

The question IS "what the heck is he doing out there?"

Because seriously it wouldn't hurt to take a scoot from dummy half once in a while.
It wouldn't hurt to at least contest it when a bomb is kicked your way.
It wouldn't hurt to come and find the ball for at least a couple of runs.

All he seems to do is whinge that Wright never gives him the ball.... he even blows up when there's 4 defenders between Wright and himself and Wright is steaming into a gap (rare I know) "why didn't ju pass it 2 meeee Jonnno??"

I just think he's offering less than nothing at the moment, and on top of that he's not even contesting bombs kicked towards him - but I completely forgot he's the "untouchable" on these forums.
 

mrpwnd

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He was never the same player after that injury he had a while back. IIRC, it was a good cork on the ass cheek. That kind of stuff really shatters your confidence and physique.
 
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