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catalan smashed again.

winnyason

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44 to 16 at home 6 thousand there. good thing they are out of the relegation with the francise up in 2008 does this mean they will never have to worry.
good thing they are sh*t, mark hughes f**king sh*t went there for the money, would be playing reserves at newcastle if he was around this year.
 

screeny

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I watched the game and must agree with the Hughes bashing. He just doesn't want to do the hard stuff.

Wilson has been ok but he totally screwed up on Wire's second or third try, I can't remember which, failing to simply touchdown a kick behind his own sticks. ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS TOUCH IT WILSON! What an idiot. He also knocked on a couple of times.

Dobson, ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH!!! I've given him benefit of the doubt but have watched him five or six times now and he's so predictable. His kicking game v Wire was so rubbish I cannot express, and when Les Cats did score of a kick it was Rinaldi's kick from acting HB. Actually, Fakir's try was from a kick, but Dobson's 'kick' dribbled about one inch from his toe, bounced off a Wire defender, then bounced off Dobson's foot again, for Fakir to pick it up and scoot over.

Dobson almost never attacks the line. But after yesterday I now know why. He tried it once, got tackled and threw the worst Vila Matautia style speculative offload out the back door.....to no one of course.

Les Cats have zero creativity I'm afraid, and are being let down by their imports.

And Frayssinous? sh*t, sh*t sh*t. He's an embarrassment to the whole competition, he's that mediocre. He makes such bad errors - he collected a last tackle kick then dropped it on first contact with the Wire winger, Barnett, and he's too powderpuff to make tackles against full time pros.

Beattie and Chan gave away a hatful of penalties.

Guisset, Fellous and Fakir were good again, as was Berthezene. I desperately want to see Rinaldi at 7 but it's just not going to happen.

I saw the French Cup Final today, too. Good excitign stuff although the result was done and dusted when Pia went 18-0 up then 24-4 at HT. Lezignan played some good footy to try and get back into it but kept screwing up. Great crowd and festival atmosphere in Carcassone though, a good event.
 

winnyason

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there imports are rubbish and that is what gets you competitive, the team they played fafili, rahhihi or bradford bai, hape, vanikolo,mckenna look at there's wilson wests reggis player, ian hindmarsh on the way down, mark hughes past it, beattie not to bad, rudder oh rudder.
look potter has a big job to get them competitive, they need to get asotasi to start & talk gresque into coming back to fold.
 

yankeerugger

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would be nice if they could dump some of their cheap imports, and fill up those vacant spots with the top french tallent from the semipro league. I'm sure some of these lads would be up for the challenge, where as some of the imports seem to be there for the salery!
 

ParraEelsNRL

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yankeerugger said:
would be nice if they could dump some of their cheap imports, and fill up those vacant spots with the top french tallent from the semipro league. I'm sure some of these lads would be up for the challenge, where as some of the imports seem to be there for the salery!

Agree, makes the young lads hungry to get to the top level.
 

AlbertRosenfeld

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Les Catalans needs some imports with NRL experience to stiffen their spine when the chips are down. The French are famous for lots of things, but not for their steely resolve.

There are five tough and talented Frenchmen in the club: Fellous, Fakir, Guisset, Rinaldi and Berthezene. The first two of them are of Moroccan origin and one, Guisset, has extensive experience in NRL and Super League. Even those five need the psychological assurance of experienced Aussies or Kiwis besides them when the going is tough.

Beattie is a good example of a tough Aussie, and he is valuable because of his strong hit ups and defence. If he can become more disciplined he will do better. Chan is a tough Kiwi but an idiot who insists on giving away penalties. He needs to be replaced ASAP. Asotasi, off contract at the end of this year, is a far better player and must be the priority in that regard.

I could never understand why Les Catalans got John Wilson. They would have been much better off taking up one talented Aussie Premier league player on the model of London Broncos (now Harlequins), who bought Luke Dorn and Tyrone Smith from Sydney Roosters Grand Final winning Premier League side with great results (Parramatta, under the bizarre coaching and selection policies of Brian Smith, has stacks of talent in its Premier League side).

I also believe strongly that a smart decision would have been to put Rinaldi at five eighth when Stacey was playing, and keep Rudder on as lock forward, moving him to second row when Mounis came on. Rinaldi would have been more effective at five eighth than hooker and Berthezene could have played at hooker. When I first heard of the decision to recruit Stacey Jones, in June last year, I asked a very knowledgable and talented member of the international development set up what Les Catalans were going to do with Rinaldi. His first reaction was to say:

"In the modern game you can play two half backs as first receiver either side of the ruck. They can make Rinaldi five eighth."

Yet immediately after that conversation last June I was told by President Bernard Guasch that Rinaldi would probably play at No 9. Although club President, Guasch would not make such a decision about players' positions. Thus it has to have been David Waite's decision.

As for Fraysinnous I am convinced again that he is there because he is a favourite of David Waite. There is no other explanation for Frayssinous being chosen in the national squad presented to John Monie last year when he had been omitted from the national team by Mick Aldous in 2004. Mick Potter must surely have seen through Fraysinnous's weaknesses by now, and he needs to cut him out of consideration from now on.

The Catalans forwards are really up to Super League standard, except for Alex Chan. Getting the halves combination right, and finding some quality outside backs is the big problem. Australia has quality outside backs in abundance. Finding some new better ones than some of whom Les Catalans already have, to come over for 2007-8, will help in the short term.

But in the long term the development of young French backs, especially centres, should be the highest priority of Les Catalans and the French rugby league.

Moreover, I think that the RLIF or RLEF has to make its presence felt by organising, with the approval of the French Federation, coaching and refereeing classes for the French competitions using top class SL or NRL coaches and referees. It cannot be a frivolous one day affair, as occurred in a superficial way last November.

The RLIF also has to allocate money for competent Australian rugby league CEOs to come to France to help explain to the current management of Lyon, and to explain to the potential management of future LER clubs in Marseille, Paris, Avignon and Bordeaux, how to create financially viable and youth developing rugby league clubs.
 

AlbertRosenfeld

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winnyason said:
heard any import signing in the pipeline albert?

Nothing yet mate.

The other NRL clubs can't negotiate with Asotasi before July 1, so I expect he is going to check himself on the open market before he would decide what to do. Same with any other quality NRL players coming off contract. I do hope to hear something from Les Catalans later in the first week of July.
 

winnyason

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that's a shame, can catalan match the money st helens are expected to offer. has a rugby player in the top 14 been looked at maybe a ex les bluez player.
 

screeny

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Good post Albert,

Agree with the five selected players. Murphy has been quite good, and Wilson has been shoved at 13 where he's done alright. Hughes doesn't do much apart from trying to create miracle plays when he has the ball. His defence is worse than Wilson's. Rudder has been lock too and has zero creative instinct it seems, but then again, neither does Dobson.

Having said all that Les Cats are still good to watch and the atmosphere at their games has always been terrific.

Cold, hard stats say that, with roughly 7000 registered players in France, they're going to struggle, it's natural.

On a point of pedantry, Fellous aint Moroccan, he's Tunisian I think.

I think the idea of Australia getting involved in training CEOs will lead to a lot of problems. Aussies know the Aussie RL scene, not the French RL scene and their involvement will be akin to poking a hornets nest. Guidance must ceom from the FFRXIII, and it's up to them how they give it.

The performances of the French lads though has reinfroced my belief that Les Cats need to scour French RL for the best youngsters and sign 'em up rather than Aussies whose hearts may just not really be in it.

Tomas Bosc and Guigue have played well when on, as has Verges, they're all stepping up to the plate. The ones that have strugged IMO are Frayssinous and Mounis.
 

AlbertRosenfeld

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screeny said:
I think the idea of Australia getting involved in training CEOs will lead to a lot of problems. Aussies know the Aussie RL scene, not the French RL scene and their involvement will be akin to poking a hornets nest. Guidance must ceom from the FFRXIII, and it's up to them how they give it.

I understand the issue of "sensitivity" to French pride. So maybe M. Guasch could be co-participant. However all the rugby league CEOs in France are totally unaccustomed to running a professional club, and so too are the officials of the French Federation. Rugby League in France has survived until now (barely) by reliance on national and local government grants. This is no basis for prosperity or even minimal success. Sometimes the grant does not come through (as in the case of Marseille) and the club finds itself with no plan B, and folds (as did Marseille).

The current bunch of CEOs in the French Elite LER are crippped by a kind of social welfare mentality.

Note that the first CEO of Les Catalans is an Australian, Grant Mayer. He obviously works closely with M. Guasch on many aspects of his job, because M. Guasch knows the lay of the land in terms of business in France. But only an Australian was deemed capable of putting all the parts of the club together.

Perhaps Grant Meyer needs to be used, along with M. Guasch, to talk to the leaders of the major clubs, on how to run a professional rugby league club.

The first place I would go to is Lyon. The second biggest city in France with few juniors and almost no supporters showing up for games! It should be competitive, not near the bottom of the ladder.
 

ozbash

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typical sh*t post from winny,,, waiting for the 'wigan get smashed again' just to square things up.

i really think the catalans have done extremely well considering they are new to the competition, its a makeshift team and their chief playmaker has been out with a broken arm.
 
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I dont get it, im hearing a lot of good things about Dobson from people actually over in france, but people over here dont rate what he has been doing from a bar of soap?
 

bartman

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He's only 19 isn't he? He's no Stacey, but they've had a few wins so he must've done alright for a kid being dropped into that situation.

Assuming Stacey's back this weekend, they've got their next four games agiants teams outside the top six. This will show what they're made of.
 

bartman

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Cas have put a strange story on their website, claiming they approached Dobson to join them mid-week, but he turned them down and they believe he's heading to Wigan?
 

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