Change of Captaincy

[Pete Cash]

These things will be worked out in the off season. Stuart needs to add someone like Hodgson in as a co captain at a minimum.

 

[bileduct]

Good to see the tide turning against this little turd.

Hodgson for captain.

 

[nick87]

Honest question:

If Croker did step down from the captaincy and Stuart appointed Josh Hodgson, how does that imprve our football team?

Does it help our defence on our goal line improve? Does it help our line speed improve? Does it stop Fensom and co giving away dumb penalties? Does it stop FPN and co making stupid errors?

I mean, what would you honestly expect to improve with a change of captaincy?

IMO, the captaincy matters a lot for off the field stuff. The media stuff, the face of the club etc, but given Ricky Stuart sits on the sidelines and he makes all the major "captains" calls from that spot, i dont think who wears the C matters a lot on the park.

Im keen to hear what you think would be gained in terms of the on the field product with a change of captain.

 

[Paullyboy]

Honest question:

If Croker did step down from the captaincy and Stuart appointed Josh Hodgson, how does that imprve our football team?

Does it help our defence on our goal line improve? Does it help our line speed improve? Does it stop Fensom and co giving away dumb penalties? Does it stop FPN and co making stupid errors?

If I said that, I'd be called a racist :lol:.

On another note, I just re-read all of this thread and realized it's a conversation from a year ago. Can't remember the last time I went on GH, I'd forgotten about it actually.

 

[bileduct]

Honest question:

If Croker did step down from the captaincy and Stuart appointed Josh Hodgson, how does that imprve our football team?

Gee, I dunno. There's the slim possibility that we might have somebody in the role that is better suited to handle the responsibilities of it. You only have to look at the way Croker interacts with referees to see that he's completely out of his depth in dealing with them.

Does it help our defence on our goal line improve? Does it help our line speed improve? Does it stop Fensom and co giving away dumb penalties? Does it stop FPN and co making stupid errors?

Taking him out of our goal line defence may improve it, since he's targeted so often. But I'm talking about taking his captaincy away, not dropping him from the team. You may be onto something.

 

[nick87]

So... you can't actually name anything specific that would improve with a change of captain?
Got it.

 

[bileduct]

So... you can't actually name anything specific that would improve with a change of captain?
Got it.

So you can't read the thread?

Yeah, you're still a moron

 

[nick87]

The only thing you've highlighted that would improve is dealing with the officials. How in the f**k is dealing with referees going to help us improve on the issues we've got right now?

He doesnt even handle the main decision making responsibilities captains usually handle, Stuart sits on the sidelines and makes any major call in regards to penalties.

Changing captain isnt going to improve our defence, it's not going to improve our line speed, it's not going to improve our execution in attack, maybe with someone like Hodgson, the ability to deal with adversity when we get bad calls might improve, but i doubt it given this has been an issue in this club for 10+ years, and it's perpetuated in this era by our sooky coach.

So again, how is changing captain going to improve this football team on the park?

 

[bileduct]

LOL, triggered?

Taking the captaincy away from Croker isn't going to stop Fensom dropping the ball or giving away stupid penalties. You have to be a truly spectacular f**king idiot to think that would be the case, so I'm not sure why you bring it up. Are you? I'm guessing yes.

Changing captain isn't going to solve every issue we have on the team. But it may help solving the issues that are directly related to the role.

Are you dumb? Wait, don't answer. I already know.

LOL!

 

[nick87]

But it may help solving the issues that are directly related to the role.

We're getting there!
Alright, specifically what issues that are directly related to the role of captaincy would be improved and how would that positively impact our results on the park?

It should be a hard question to answer. So far we have:

- Better at communicating with the referees.
And...

nope that's it. That's all we've got. We'll continue to get lapped by any team that shows up but at least we'll have a good rapport with the officials! :lol:

This team has bigger fish to fry than the officials. Lets maybe start with the real issues that are costing us wins, than we can worry about the rapport we have with the men in the middle.

 

[bileduct]

Yes, the captain position should go to someone that is better at communicating with the officials.

What's your point?

There are other solutions for other problems.

Stop being dumb.

 

[nick87]

So that's it?

Ok, cool.

Croker is well liked and respected in the playing group, what you, i or anyone else outside the locker room thinks of him as a captain isnt particularly relevant. The players and coach respect him and as far as they are concerned, he's their captain.

Changing that risks alienating members of the squad, and for what? Better communication with the officials - something that will not improve the team in any meaningful way.

That's my point, changing the captain at this point in time is a cant win situation. At best, the team is exactly where it is right now. At worst we split the player group between those who feel Croker got scapegoated by the coach and those who embrace whoever is promoted to replace him

The potential negatives far outweigh the potential positives. Dumping a popular, well liked and respected captain for basically meaningless reasons is exactly the type of things that cause a coach to lose the locker room. It would be absolutely ridiculous to take the risks that come with dumping Croker as captain, given the absolute best case scenario just that we have better communication with the officials (and maybe not even that! We wouldnt know until we put them in that spot, Blake Austin for instance would be infinitely worse dealing with officials, and Hodgson gets very lippy with them at times, he's hardly a cucumber on that front)

 

[bileduct]

I got as far as your third paragraph.

This is a forum, dumbass. Not the locker room.

You're an idiot.

But hey, let's not drop FPN because that's not going to stop Fensom being an idiot, like you. Let's not drop Fensom because that's not going to stop FPN being an idiot, like you.

 

[skeepe]

In fine form today bileduct.

And by that I mean absolutely batshit crazy as usual.

Changing captain isn't required. Croker is a good captain, and changing would create more problems than it solves. Nick is 100% correct on this one.

 

[bileduct]

LOL, looks like you just got the kiss of death there, ol nickspam.

 

[nick87]

:lol: This is amazing!
Yes, this is a forum! That's my f**king point, you f**king moron. What f**king idiots like you think about Croker as a captain doesnt f**king matter to the playing group and coach in that locker room.

You're calling me an idiot and then trying to draw parallels between demoting a captain which has no tangible benefit to the team's on field to dumping a player under performing and hurting the football team on the field and replacing him with someone who is actually FG standard.

Changing the captain does not improve our football team. As per your own admission, it achieves one thing only, improve rapport with officials we we get belted off the park every other week. WHOOPIE DO! :lol:

Replacing under performing players like FPN DOES improve our football team. Getting a guy who gives you 5 runs for 30 metres, 2 errors and penalty out of the team and replacing him someone who can cart it up for 10 runs for 100 yards, with less penalties and errors DIRECTLY improves our football team

The two situations could not be further apart!
Goodness me :lol:

 

[bileduct]

Replacing under performing players like FPN DOES improve our football team.

Dropping FPN isn't going to stop Fensom from giving away stupid penalties.

So whhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy would we drop FPN?

LOL!

 

[bileduct]

I'll keep reproducing this quote all day, you idiots.

"It's hard for officials not to sit and listen to what they (other captains) have to say, because they've been around for so long and they actually know what they're doing." - Jarrod Choker.

 

[bileduct]

Yeah, I guess it's hard to refute the words of the idiot himself who admits that he has no idea what he's doing.

 

[nick87]

:lol: You have to be playing the long con on me. You couldnt possibly be this stupid and be allowed to us a computer this long unsupervised.
Kudos, you've roped me in beautifully.

Amazing scenes!