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Change this sub-forum's name to 'Football'?

Change this sub-forum's name to 'Football'?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 61.4%
  • No

    Votes: 17 38.6%

  • Total voters
    44

Big Sam

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Mainstream Aussie press finally adopting the term football as soccer seen as thing of the past

By Simon Hill
From: FOX SPORTS
October 01, 2012 4:15PM

Seven years ago, the Australian Soccer Association renamed itself Football Federation Australia.
The reason was partly pragmatic - to distance itself from the failings (real and perceived) of the old body, but it was also to align the game here with the general international usage of the word "football".
It’s been a thorny topic ever since. The adoption of the slogan "old soccer, new football" that accompanied the changeover left some within the game feeling marginalised - ostracised even - and those feelings persist to this day.
Outside of the immediate football family, many supporters of the other codes were (and in some cases still are) scathing of the change. Their view was that "soccer" offered clarity in an Australian context, and that using football was hypocritical when the national team still used the nickname "Socceroos".
Nowhere has this debate been more polarised than in the mainstream press. Fairfax - publisher of the Sydney Morning Herald - was the first to break with tradition and go with "football" in 2006.
Other publications such as the Newcastle Herald adopted a halfway house of "football-soccer". The Canberra Times used football as the drop down tab online while soccer stayed as the sub-heading of individual stories. Only the Melbourne-based Age remained (and remains) steadfastly and completely in the "Soccer" camp.
News Limited, publisher of daily newspapers in Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and Adelaide, has likewise been resolutely in the "Soccer" camp, but that is about to change.
As of Monday, just days before the new A-League season is due to start, Sydney’s Daily and Sunday Telegraph will make the switch over to football.
It may seem like a minor alteration, but for the game in Australia it’s a significant step. These are papers that still sell more copies than any other in the nation's biggest city.
The change however, is unlikely to be universal.
Melbourne’s Herald Sun - still the paper with the highest circulation in the country - is unlikely to re-brand, ditto the Adelaide Advertiser; while Perth’s Sunday Times is reportedly still debating as to whether to make the change or not. Online, however, the re-styling will be across the board.
Of course, a name is only a name. Many will continue to call it "Soccer" wherever they live - and proponents of "Football" should accept that. No-one has the right to dictate which terms should be used on an individual basis.
But that courtesy should also be extended to those who prefer "Football", too. It’s no longer enough to say "in Australia, it’s soccer" because for many, it simply isn’t.
Similarly, claiming historical lineage ("Soccer" was coined in England as a shorter form of asSOCiation football) is a flawed argument, as the rugby codes were similarly referred to as "Rugger" in days gone by. That term dropped out of use many moons ago.
And so it may be - eventually - with "Soccer". Have we now reached the stage where people's preference for "Football" has reached critical mass - whereby those in charge of reporting on the game in the mainstream media have taken notice?
"Soccer" will doubtless remain as a nickname for the game - and the "Socceroos" is a much-loved term of reference for the national team. But the official name of the sport is football. The international body is FIFA, not FISA. The region in which Australia plays is the Asian Football Confederation - and the governing body here is FFA, not SFA.
There may be some way to go before the adoption of the term becomes universal in Australia, but seven years after the governing body took that bold step, it appears the mainstream media is gradually coming round to the process of change, too.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...hing-of-the-past/story-e6frfmq9-1226486030704

Given that all the (non pro-AFL) media in this country has now changed to the 'Football' name, is it time this sub-forum did the same? (Mods - can it even be done?)

I'm not sure how it would cause any confusion. Yes, a nickname of RL is football but on LU, the sections pertaining to RL are all explicitly labelled 'Rugby League'.

Also those other 2 sports that can lay claim to the 'football' nickname, Australian Rules and Rugby Union, are labelled as such in the 'Other Sports' section meaning there would be no confusion if the this sub-forum's name was changed from Soccer to Football.
 

ME SO HORNBY!

Juniors
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Agree.

Most of the people on this sub forum are "football" fans anyway. The only reason League Unlimited calls this forum Soccer is to appease all of the insular idiots on here.
 

Matt23

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It's been flagged before, it would upset/confuse TFC regulars too much...For the record I support the name change from Soccer to Football.
 

WireMan

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Given that all the (non pro-AFL) media in this country has now changed to the 'Football' name, is it time this sub-forum did the same? (Mods - can it even be done?)

I'm not sure how it would cause any confusion. Yes, a nickname of RL is football but on LU, the sections pertaining to RL are all explicitly labelled 'Rugby League'.

Also those other 2 sports that can lay claim to the 'football' nickname, Australian Rules and Rugby Union, are labelled as such in the 'Other Sports' section meaning there would be no confusion if the this sub-forum's name was changed from Soccer to Football.

The biggest risk to both NRL and AFL in the future is 'soccer'.
What soccer has is a genuine international game full of superstars who are bigger than any league/afl player. If Heskey shirts can sell out, and ADP putting Sydney FC on the map times are changing.


As for the name:
As a rule, the biggest code of football in an area is called football.
So its proper football in Europe and Asia, Rugby league in East Aus, AFL in the rest of Aus, Union in SA and NZ and Gridiron in America. There is no mystery about it.

This is a RL forum so should stay as soccer. IMO opinion of course.
 

Big Sam

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I deliberately made the poll anonymous. Otherwise those who voted yes would cop it and vice versa and this thread would then just descend into a 'football bashing' one. Pretty obvious that the 'no' voters are from TFC anyway.
 

Twizzle

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FTR I proposed changing it some time ago but it was agreed that because it was a League forum that its probabaly best to leave it as Soccer.

I call it football and I think its only a matter of time before the term is recognised by the general public but I rely on the feedback of others and I've never taken the nazi attitude of doing what I want as sometimes its not what everyone else wants.
 
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Why is it dumb? Most posters are involved in the EPL team threads anyway. What are there like 3 people who support a non-English team that don't have 5,6,7 teams across major leagues. Nobody was interested in discussing Socceroos either.

Dumb feedback but actually reality.

Soccer, football, doesn't bother me.
 

Twizzle

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Do you seriously think I would be willing to change the name to the EPL forums ?
 

Twizzle

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Back on topic, Association Football maybe a more accurate description but if there is not the support I will leave it for now and revisit the subject in the futire but I feel its only a matter of time.
 

Valheru

Coach
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This is Australia; the code is known as soccer. Does anyone actually refer to it as Football? I am heavily involved in soccer in the winter time and not one person I know refers to it as football. No one ever says they are going to the “football” or “footy” on the weekend if they are referring to an A-league match.
 

Big Sam

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There are plenty of threads on European football leagues and International tournaments. I disagree that the sub-forum is anglocentric.
 

Band On The Run

Juniors
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I'd like to see it change to 'Football' but 'Football (Soccer)' or 'Assocation football' would be a decent compromise.

Also Twiz, IMO you should consider removing TFC. Don't see the point of people always going on about sports they supposedly hate.
 

Mong

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Just Football is fine by me, I don't understand anyone whinging about that.. Although it would probs only be by the same folk who cry that union is called rugby because that is what league should be called.. And as they also refer to league as football, soccer should not be called football.

Strange bunch they are..
 

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