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I hope it's not the smell of North Sydney.
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I hope it's not the smell of North Sydney.
“......integrity in the sporting media....” not possible
You do wonder I stated this in other threads between the silence from the board the media and nrl this could be very possible no more Dragons in the coming years anything is possible.
Here's some feedback, which l certainly don't agree with.
He's had five...... FIVE YEARS!
With the roster he's wanted & nothing to show for it.
FIVE YEARS!
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Fail Mary? He didn’t really have a chance
Tim Gore
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“Fail Mary” has replaced “Oust Doust” in Kogarah and Wollongong as the prevailing slogan.
It seems the writing is on the wall that the St George Illawarra Dragons coach and foundation player will get the chop any moment now.
But it isn’t fair. Not at all.
NRL coaches have a shorter career expectancy than bomb disposal technicians.
Of the 16 current clubs, six of them have coaches who have been in their roles for two years or less. Only six have been at their present club for five seasons or more. Seven of them have been head coach at another NRL club. Only four boast over ten years as a head coach of an NRL side.
Six of the current coaches – I’ll include Garth Brennan for the purposes of this examination – have been sacked by at least one club.
Put simply, it’s a mug’s job. Who would want to be a coach?
Only one of 16 can win each season and, as we know, it’s usually one of just five sides.
There are different lines set for failure. The most obvious is coming last in a season. The second is missing the finals. The third is worsening results.
Have a look at the current NRL coaching records.
Coach Club Overall % record with the club % Record at the club since 2018 +/- %
Craig Bellamy Storm 68.8 74.4 5.6
Wayne Bennett Rabbitohs 68.4 68.4 –
Trent Robinson Roosters 64.4 67.4 3
Des Hasler Sea Eagles 59.9 63 3.1
Ricky Stuart Raiders 49.3 53.5 4.2
Steven Kearney Warriors 42.6 51.1 8.5
Paul McGregor Dragons 48.1 51 2.9
John Morris Sharks 47.4 47.4 –
Michael Maguire Wests Tigers 47.4 47.4 –
Ivan Cleary Panthers 45.3 47.4 2.1
Anthony Seibold Broncos 42.1 42.1 –
Brad Arthur Eels 46.9 39.5 -7.4
Nathan Brown Knights 25.3 39.5 14.2
Paul Green Cowboys 54.2 34.9 -19.3
Dean Pay Bulldogs 32.6 32.6 –
Garth Brennan Titans 30 30 –
For all of the vitriol being poured onto poor old Paul McGregor, his record is actually okay. He is far better than many of the other coaches. Yet the calls for the likes of Nathan Brown, Brad Arthur and Dean Pay to be removed are far less concerted.
Coaching the Red V is a tough gig for sure.
While the Dragons’ results have been disappointing this season, any coach would struggle if they lost their best forward and chief playmaker for large chunks of the season, if not all.
Jack de Belin and Gareth Widdop are star players. Take two players of that calibre out of any squad and they’ll likely struggle.
Imagine Boyd Cordner and Cooper Cronk out of the Roosters, Sam Burgess and Adam Reynolds out of the Rabbitohs, Daly Cherry-Evans and Jake Trbojevic out of the Sea Eagles, Wade Graham and Chad Townsend out of the Sharks, James Maloney and Viliame Kikau out of the Panthers, Cam Smith and Jesse Bromwich out of the Storm, and Ash Taylor, Ryan James and Jai Arrow out of the Titans.
Like Garth Brennan found out, the results might spiral so badly that you’ll get sacked.
Poor old Mary lost two central players and the results unsurprisingly spiralled. Now they are calling for his bald head on a plate.
(Photo by Matt Blyth/Getty Images)
It’s not fair. I reckon he’s a quite a good coach who’s had some crap luck.
There are four factors a coach needs to align if they are to succeed. Most don’t have all four at the same time and many just can’t get some of them.
So what are they?
Star players
Blame whatever you want – the coach, the administration, the referees, the NRL – but the reality is that if you don’t have superstar players, you are bugger all chance of being successful.
If you don’t have some quality stud bulls to surround your cattle, you just aren’t going to be a contender. In reality, you need a superstar player like Cam Smith, Johnathan Thurston, Cooper Cronk, Daly Cherry-Evans, Sonny Bill Williams, Darren Lockyer or Andrew Johns.
Players who can do something special, inspire their team-mates, and terrify their opponents.
Advertisement
The problem is that there aren’t many of these players. Growing them is tough, retaining them is tougher, and buying them is harder still.
There are occasions when established stars are purchased – Cooper Cronk, James Tedesco, Sonny Bill Williams, Justin Hodges – but mostly they are grown.
If you are the coach of one of the 11 clubs who have regularly graced the pointy end of the season during the NRL era, the odds are you’ve struggled in this category.
Big-game experience
Once you get to the business end of the season, you need to have a lot of players who have played on the big stage.
The value of Origin, international and finals experience can’t be overstated. So your team must have either been building or recruiting well – or both – to have this factor covered. If your roster doesn’t have that experience, they are very unlikely to go far this year.
Meat and potato players performing well
With the exception of a few sides in the NRL era, every team always has a few meat-and-potato players who have to perform well if their side is to be truly successful.
These are honest toilers who are on the fringe of first grade. They will probably lack dynamism and/or have defensive flaws. If the coach can get these guys to perform at their best, it can be the difference between two good sides.
Luck
This is vital. You can’t win without luck. Whether it is injuries, suspensions, bounce of the ball or not getting 50/50s from the referees, bad luck can end your chances. There is very little a coach can do about it.
Those factors are the reality for a coach.
The term ‘Supercoach’ is used far too often. Of the current crop, only Craig Bellamy is worthy of it.
He’s got the runs on the board. He created Cam Smith and Cam Munster through his intense application to game plans and preparation. He grows his own.
How many of his Storm players were established stars when they first put on the purple? You can count them on one hand. He can squeeze blood from a stone. He can make filet mignon and potatoes au gratin from plain meat-and-potato players. He’s done it for years.
As a result, he’s always got lots of big-game experience. And through all their systems, planning and game management, they always seem to get the luck.
(AAP Image/Paul Miller)
Trent Robinson has done okay but he’s had some incredible players bought for him.
Wayne Bennett has grown many stars but many of them were in the Broncos stable with that massive feeder area to draw from and their incredible resources.
Des Hasler might not be popular down Belmore way but he sure is up at Brookvale. His results speak for themselves.
The rest of the coaches are all effectively scrambling for the scraps.
Poor old Paul McGregor has tried his guts out. He has given his soul to the club as player and coach. He has created a very competitive team but this year he just has had zero luck.
He lost De Belin before a ball was kicked and Widdop slightly after. He’s had to deal with constant injuries as well as a huge Origin player contribution. Things just haven’t clicked.
But go on, blame him for everything. Sack him, get a new person in and hope that they’ll make a huge difference.
However, the reality is that they won’t and you’ll have just scapegoated a good man over factors outside his control.
Guy has no credibility as cant count. Mary has won 22 out of 45 since 2018 = 48.9% not including trials or byes. Anyone can create a stat from any range to support an argument.Here's some feedback, which l certainly don't agree with.
He's had five...... FIVE YEARS!
With the roster he's wanted & nothing to show for it.
FIVE YEARS!
________________________________________________________________________________
Fail Mary? He didn’t really have a chance
Tim Gore
Expert
Yesterday
44
Join the conversation
1324 Reads
Write for The Roar
Anyone can contribute to The Roar and have their work featured alongside some of Australia’s most prominent sports journalists.
“Fail Mary” has replaced “Oust Doust” in Kogarah and Wollongong as the prevailing slogan.
It seems the writing is on the wall that the St George Illawarra Dragons coach and foundation player will get the chop any moment now.
But it isn’t fair. Not at all.
NRL coaches have a shorter career expectancy than bomb disposal technicians.
Of the 16 current clubs, six of them have coaches who have been in their roles for two years or less. Only six have been at their present club for five seasons or more. Seven of them have been head coach at another NRL club. Only four boast over ten years as a head coach of an NRL side.
Six of the current coaches – I’ll include Garth Brennan for the purposes of this examination – have been sacked by at least one club.
Put simply, it’s a mug’s job. Who would want to be a coach?
Only one of 16 can win each season and, as we know, it’s usually one of just five sides.
There are different lines set for failure. The most obvious is coming last in a season. The second is missing the finals. The third is worsening results.
Have a look at the current NRL coaching records.
Coach Club Overall % record with the club % Record at the club since 2018 +/- %
Craig Bellamy Storm 68.8 74.4 5.6
Wayne Bennett Rabbitohs 68.4 68.4 –
Trent Robinson Roosters 64.4 67.4 3
Des Hasler Sea Eagles 59.9 63 3.1
Ricky Stuart Raiders 49.3 53.5 4.2
Steven Kearney Warriors 42.6 51.1 8.5
Paul McGregor Dragons 48.1 51 2.9
John Morris Sharks 47.4 47.4 –
Michael Maguire Wests Tigers 47.4 47.4 –
Ivan Cleary Panthers 45.3 47.4 2.1
Anthony Seibold Broncos 42.1 42.1 –
Brad Arthur Eels 46.9 39.5 -7.4
Nathan Brown Knights 25.3 39.5 14.2
Paul Green Cowboys 54.2 34.9 -19.3
Dean Pay Bulldogs 32.6 32.6 –
Garth Brennan Titans 30 30 –
For all of the vitriol being poured onto poor old Paul McGregor, his record is actually okay. He is far better than many of the other coaches. Yet the calls for the likes of Nathan Brown, Brad Arthur and Dean Pay to be removed are far less concerted.
Coaching the Red V is a tough gig for sure.
While the Dragons’ results have been disappointing this season, any coach would struggle if they lost their best forward and chief playmaker for large chunks of the season, if not all.
Jack de Belin and Gareth Widdop are star players. Take two players of that calibre out of any squad and they’ll likely struggle.
Imagine Boyd Cordner and Cooper Cronk out of the Roosters, Sam Burgess and Adam Reynolds out of the Rabbitohs, Daly Cherry-Evans and Jake Trbojevic out of the Sea Eagles, Wade Graham and Chad Townsend out of the Sharks, James Maloney and Viliame Kikau out of the Panthers, Cam Smith and Jesse Bromwich out of the Storm, and Ash Taylor, Ryan James and Jai Arrow out of the Titans.
Like Garth Brennan found out, the results might spiral so badly that you’ll get sacked.
Poor old Mary lost two central players and the results unsurprisingly spiralled. Now they are calling for his bald head on a plate.
(Photo by Matt Blyth/Getty Images)
It’s not fair. I reckon he’s a quite a good coach who’s had some crap luck.
There are four factors a coach needs to align if they are to succeed. Most don’t have all four at the same time and many just can’t get some of them.
So what are they?
Star players
Blame whatever you want – the coach, the administration, the referees, the NRL – but the reality is that if you don’t have superstar players, you are bugger all chance of being successful.
If you don’t have some quality stud bulls to surround your cattle, you just aren’t going to be a contender. In reality, you need a superstar player like Cam Smith, Johnathan Thurston, Cooper Cronk, Daly Cherry-Evans, Sonny Bill Williams, Darren Lockyer or Andrew Johns.
Players who can do something special, inspire their team-mates, and terrify their opponents.
Advertisement
The problem is that there aren’t many of these players. Growing them is tough, retaining them is tougher, and buying them is harder still.
There are occasions when established stars are purchased – Cooper Cronk, James Tedesco, Sonny Bill Williams, Justin Hodges – but mostly they are grown.
If you are the coach of one of the 11 clubs who have regularly graced the pointy end of the season during the NRL era, the odds are you’ve struggled in this category.
Big-game experience
Once you get to the business end of the season, you need to have a lot of players who have played on the big stage.
The value of Origin, international and finals experience can’t be overstated. So your team must have either been building or recruiting well – or both – to have this factor covered. If your roster doesn’t have that experience, they are very unlikely to go far this year.
Meat and potato players performing well
With the exception of a few sides in the NRL era, every team always has a few meat-and-potato players who have to perform well if their side is to be truly successful.
These are honest toilers who are on the fringe of first grade. They will probably lack dynamism and/or have defensive flaws. If the coach can get these guys to perform at their best, it can be the difference between two good sides.
Luck
This is vital. You can’t win without luck. Whether it is injuries, suspensions, bounce of the ball or not getting 50/50s from the referees, bad luck can end your chances. There is very little a coach can do about it.
Those factors are the reality for a coach.
The term ‘Supercoach’ is used far too often. Of the current crop, only Craig Bellamy is worthy of it.
He’s got the runs on the board. He created Cam Smith and Cam Munster through his intense application to game plans and preparation. He grows his own.
How many of his Storm players were established stars when they first put on the purple? You can count them on one hand. He can squeeze blood from a stone. He can make filet mignon and potatoes au gratin from plain meat-and-potato players. He’s done it for years.
As a result, he’s always got lots of big-game experience. And through all their systems, planning and game management, they always seem to get the luck.
(AAP Image/Paul Miller)
Trent Robinson has done okay but he’s had some incredible players bought for him.
Wayne Bennett has grown many stars but many of them were in the Broncos stable with that massive feeder area to draw from and their incredible resources.
Des Hasler might not be popular down Belmore way but he sure is up at Brookvale. His results speak for themselves.
The rest of the coaches are all effectively scrambling for the scraps.
Poor old Paul McGregor has tried his guts out. He has given his soul to the club as player and coach. He has created a very competitive team but this year he just has had zero luck.
He lost De Belin before a ball was kicked and Widdop slightly after. He’s had to deal with constant injuries as well as a huge Origin player contribution. Things just haven’t clicked.
But go on, blame him for everything. Sack him, get a new person in and hope that they’ll make a huge difference.
However, the reality is that they won’t and you’ll have just scapegoated a good man over factors outside his control.
OK I am convinced after this jouno has compared apples and lemons.
So this boring unimaginative style of clueless play, five hitups then kick,players being flogged to death,three minute cameos off the bench, players not being fairly picked,no interest no intensity, poor defence is all a figment of supporters imaginationsHere's some feedback, which l certainly don't agree with.
He's had five...... FIVE YEARS!
With the roster he's wanted & nothing to show for it.
FIVE YEARS!
________________________________________________________________________________
Fail Mary? He didn’t really have a chance
Tim Gore
Expert
Yesterday
44
Join the conversation
1324 Reads
Write for The Roar
Anyone can contribute to The Roar and have their work featured alongside some of Australia’s most prominent sports journalists.
“Fail Mary” has replaced “Oust Doust” in Kogarah and Wollongong as the prevailing slogan.
It seems the writing is on the wall that the St George Illawarra Dragons coach and foundation player will get the chop any moment now.
But it isn’t fair. Not at all.
NRL coaches have a shorter career expectancy than bomb disposal technicians.
Of the 16 current clubs, six of them have coaches who have been in their roles for two years or less. Only six have been at their present club for five seasons or more. Seven of them have been head coach at another NRL club. Only four boast over ten years as a head coach of an NRL side.
Six of the current coaches – I’ll include Garth Brennan for the purposes of this examination – have been sacked by at least one club.
Put simply, it’s a mug’s job. Who would want to be a coach?
Only one of 16 can win each season and, as we know, it’s usually one of just five sides.
There are different lines set for failure. The most obvious is coming last in a season. The second is missing the finals. The third is worsening results.
Have a look at the current NRL coaching records.
Coach Club Overall % record with the club % Record at the club since 2018 +/- %
Craig Bellamy Storm 68.8 74.4 5.6
Wayne Bennett Rabbitohs 68.4 68.4 –
Trent Robinson Roosters 64.4 67.4 3
Des Hasler Sea Eagles 59.9 63 3.1
Ricky Stuart Raiders 49.3 53.5 4.2
Steven Kearney Warriors 42.6 51.1 8.5
Paul McGregor Dragons 48.1 51 2.9
John Morris Sharks 47.4 47.4 –
Michael Maguire Wests Tigers 47.4 47.4 –
Ivan Cleary Panthers 45.3 47.4 2.1
Anthony Seibold Broncos 42.1 42.1 –
Brad Arthur Eels 46.9 39.5 -7.4
Nathan Brown Knights 25.3 39.5 14.2
Paul Green Cowboys 54.2 34.9 -19.3
Dean Pay Bulldogs 32.6 32.6 –
Garth Brennan Titans 30 30 –
For all of the vitriol being poured onto poor old Paul McGregor, his record is actually okay. He is far better than many of the other coaches. Yet the calls for the likes of Nathan Brown, Brad Arthur and Dean Pay to be removed are far less concerted.
Coaching the Red V is a tough gig for sure.
While the Dragons’ results have been disappointing this season, any coach would struggle if they lost their best forward and chief playmaker for large chunks of the season, if not all.
Jack de Belin and Gareth Widdop are star players. Take two players of that calibre out of any squad and they’ll likely struggle.
Imagine Boyd Cordner and Cooper Cronk out of the Roosters, Sam Burgess and Adam Reynolds out of the Rabbitohs, Daly Cherry-Evans and Jake Trbojevic out of the Sea Eagles, Wade Graham and Chad Townsend out of the Sharks, James Maloney and Viliame Kikau out of the Panthers, Cam Smith and Jesse Bromwich out of the Storm, and Ash Taylor, Ryan James and Jai Arrow out of the Titans.
Like Garth Brennan found out, the results might spiral so badly that you’ll get sacked.
Poor old Mary lost two central players and the results unsurprisingly spiralled. Now they are calling for his bald head on a plate.
(Photo by Matt Blyth/Getty Images)
It’s not fair. I reckon he’s a quite a good coach who’s had some crap luck.
There are four factors a coach needs to align if they are to succeed. Most don’t have all four at the same time and many just can’t get some of them.
So what are they?
Star players
Blame whatever you want – the coach, the administration, the referees, the NRL – but the reality is that if you don’t have superstar players, you are bugger all chance of being successful.
If you don’t have some quality stud bulls to surround your cattle, you just aren’t going to be a contender. In reality, you need a superstar player like Cam Smith, Johnathan Thurston, Cooper Cronk, Daly Cherry-Evans, Sonny Bill Williams, Darren Lockyer or Andrew Johns.
Players who can do something special, inspire their team-mates, and terrify their opponents.
Advertisement
The problem is that there aren’t many of these players. Growing them is tough, retaining them is tougher, and buying them is harder still.
There are occasions when established stars are purchased – Cooper Cronk, James Tedesco, Sonny Bill Williams, Justin Hodges – but mostly they are grown.
If you are the coach of one of the 11 clubs who have regularly graced the pointy end of the season during the NRL era, the odds are you’ve struggled in this category.
Big-game experience
Once you get to the business end of the season, you need to have a lot of players who have played on the big stage.
The value of Origin, international and finals experience can’t be overstated. So your team must have either been building or recruiting well – or both – to have this factor covered. If your roster doesn’t have that experience, they are very unlikely to go far this year.
Meat and potato players performing well
With the exception of a few sides in the NRL era, every team always has a few meat-and-potato players who have to perform well if their side is to be truly successful.
These are honest toilers who are on the fringe of first grade. They will probably lack dynamism and/or have defensive flaws. If the coach can get these guys to perform at their best, it can be the difference between two good sides.
Luck
This is vital. You can’t win without luck. Whether it is injuries, suspensions, bounce of the ball or not getting 50/50s from the referees, bad luck can end your chances. There is very little a coach can do about it.
Those factors are the reality for a coach.
The term ‘Supercoach’ is used far too often. Of the current crop, only Craig Bellamy is worthy of it.
He’s got the runs on the board. He created Cam Smith and Cam Munster through his intense application to game plans and preparation. He grows his own.
How many of his Storm players were established stars when they first put on the purple? You can count them on one hand. He can squeeze blood from a stone. He can make filet mignon and potatoes au gratin from plain meat-and-potato players. He’s done it for years.
As a result, he’s always got lots of big-game experience. And through all their systems, planning and game management, they always seem to get the luck.
(AAP Image/Paul Miller)
Trent Robinson has done okay but he’s had some incredible players bought for him.
Wayne Bennett has grown many stars but many of them were in the Broncos stable with that massive feeder area to draw from and their incredible resources.
Des Hasler might not be popular down Belmore way but he sure is up at Brookvale. His results speak for themselves.
The rest of the coaches are all effectively scrambling for the scraps.
Poor old Paul McGregor has tried his guts out. He has given his soul to the club as player and coach. He has created a very competitive team but this year he just has had zero luck.
He lost De Belin before a ball was kicked and Widdop slightly after. He’s had to deal with constant injuries as well as a huge Origin player contribution. Things just haven’t clicked.
But go on, blame him for everything. Sack him, get a new person in and hope that they’ll make a huge difference.
However, the reality is that they won’t and you’ll have just scapegoated a good man over factors outside his control.
Not really that much different to an ex player, trust board member (as chair) awarding a lease contract for the WIN stadium brewery to his ex player (hooker) son....
Likewise, I'm totally dumbfounded by the punting of Host.
