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smeghead

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If anyone wants to watch a truly disturbing documentary I reccommend "Jesus Camp".

Truly baffling
 

alien

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hahaha the funniest part is when the dog rolls his eyes when they pledge their allegiance to the flag. or flags :lol:
 

madunit

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If anyone wants to watch a truly disturbing documentary I reccommend "Jesus Camp".

Truly baffling
It's only disturbing to those who don't want to believe or understand any form of religion.
 

madunit

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so because you don't understand it, you'd rather just tag it as nutbag behaviour and be done with it?

fair enough.
 

smeghead

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I have not labelled it as nutbag behaviour.

I find it confounding that anyone would wish to indoctrinate their child to a group of people which advocates murder of abortion clinic doctors etc. (The fellow in the red shirt.)

Also personally I believe that any spirutal fulfillment will only be made by a rational mind who weighs up things in their own time with as much information available as possible.

I find the process disturbing but nowhere have I reffered to them as nutbags
 

madunit

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you must have thought there was something fairly odd about them to prompt you to make this thread
 

smeghead

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I found it disturbing for the reasons stated above.

For mine I also am highly concerned with regard to the dissolution of the boundaries between church and state and the ramifications it has on the geopolitical climate.

Thought it would be an interesting discussion point away from the normal football talk. Their belief structure (Evangelical, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim) has no bearing on why I found it disturbing. The thought of any religious state controlling world agenda and an arsenal of that size is something worth discussing IMHO
 

madunit

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I'm not doubting that at all, but you never really raised that concern/opinion at the start. It just comes across as having a dig at some religious sect.
 

smeghead

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I can see how that would come across.

I was hoping to start the ball rolling with a blurb and than have a convo of bouncing ideas off each other and a healthy discussion.

I didn't expect Alien to be first in on it
 

madunit

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lol.

Well I'll get something started this, on what looks to be a novel concept we may be able to embrace here.

I think you'll find religion motivates most major decisions in governments world wide, particularly war...err sorry, peace keeping missions.

The reason behind it all is simple, appeal to people's prejudices.

It's easier to make a country predominantly filled with people whose religions are all quite similar and make them hate another religion practiced mainly in other countries. You're dealing with harnessing people based on their passionate religious beliefs. Any true religious person cannot be swayed from their belief. But people can be swayed of their political beliefs.

The problem with this though is that it creates new sects of current religions, more deluded, warped perceptions on what their religious text states. You only have to look at Al-Qaeda, Jamahl Islamiah et al to see that they have got the true meaning of their religion completely arse about face. They twist things to suit their agendas to help them get more people to join their cause.
 

smeghead

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Religion for years has co-existed within nation states and whilst having an influence in regards to appealing to values etc it has not been as hands on in the way government intrudes into peoples lives.

The examples of Al-Qaeda and Jamahl Islamiah are quite prudent when discussing the spectre of the new religious right and American politics. As a general rule people of faith have been happy enough to live their lives under a sectarian regime whilst maintaining their own ethos.

The new religious right is far more concerned with dictating the moral compass of society by legislating it which is a very dangerous move. IMHO George W has been instrumental in this shift to power over the last number of years. His War on Terror harks back to the rhetoric of the Crusades and has mobilised an ever less stable faction of religious groups to influence the political process.

Weighing in the current climate of fear based politics both internationally and domestically it sets a very dangerous precedent for the future of the remaining super-power.

The documentary for mine is a snap shot of a concerning undercurrent within politics in America and to a growing extent Australia. Through sheer weight of numbers in voting blocks candidates now find themselves pandering to the leaders of these groups to add some of the more powerful mouthpieces within the country to their arsenal without considering the ramifications and true agenda of some
 

alien

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i think its wrong to brainwash children like that. instead of influencing them like that from an early age they should be given free will. my mother is a christian and i was basically forced to go to church and that sunday school crap but it was never for me.
 
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