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It has been discussed many times to the point of who gives a sh*t?
One of QLD's best players is playing for the wrong team.
He grew up supporting Queensland because Arthur Beetson, our first Origin captain and an Aboriginal, was one of his heroes," Coolwell said.
I've been calling for Nathan Merritt to play origin for years now. But that's beside the point - just ask Michael Jennings.I mentioned this in jest on another site to a mate from Queensland and his response was "well, they just wanted to play for the side that picks black fellahs"
He's bloody spot on. Had either Inglis or Folau stated they wanted to play for NSW they probably would have been made to wait another 3 years and made to feel bloody worthless into the bargain.
You would have had sh*te excuses questioning their defence or their commitment etc etc etc. Now I know that people can wheel out all the "but this player was better than this one because ..... blah blah blah" but if I were black I would probably look at the treatment of black players in the past and think "right, Queensland it is then"
NSW's historical selection stupidity is Queensland's gain. If I were either Folau or Inglis, I'd want to play for the State that WANTED me to play for them. Not the State that chose me out of a mix of sheer desperation and external pressure.
It's about time NSW fans stopped bitching and moaning about the players making the ONLY sensible choice. Where they were born or where they went to school is irrelevant. What is relevant are the reasons behind their choices to want to play for Queensland rather than New South Wales.
Wow good one Bulldog force never seen that before!
Queensland (24)
Tries: Greg Inglis, Israel Folau, Darren Lockyer, Cameron Smith
Goals: Johnathan Thurston (4/4)
def
New South Wales (14)
Tries: Jarryd Hayne (2), David Williams
Goals: Kurt Gidley (1/3)
I mentioned this in jest on another site to a mate from Queensland and his response was "well, they just wanted to play for the side that picks black fellahs"
He's bloody spot on. Had either Inglis or Folau stated they wanted to play for NSW they probably would have been made to wait another 3 years and made to feel bloody worthless into the bargain.
You would have had sh*te excuses questioning their defence or their commitment etc etc etc. Now I know that people can wheel out all the "but this player was better than this one because ..... blah blah blah" but if I were black I would probably look at the treatment of black players in the past and think "right, Queensland it is then"
NSW's historical selection stupidity is Queensland's gain. If I were either Folau or Inglis, I'd want to play for the State that WANTED me to play for them. Not the State that chose me out of a mix of sheer desperation and external pressure.
It's about time NSW fans stopped bitching and moaning about the players making the ONLY sensible choice. Where they were born or where they went to school is irrelevant. What is relevant are the reasons behind their choices to want to play for Queensland rather than New South Wales.
I mentioned arther beetson and was going to touch on the subject of "black fellahs" but thought "I wont make this contraversioal, but you are spot on and I agree with the above statement totally
He's bloody spot on. Had either Inglis or Folau stated they wanted to play for NSW they probably would have been made to wait another 3 years and made to feel bloody worthless into the bargain.
Apparently a lot of people give a sh*t abour ORIGIN. Look at the posts in this forum, the crowds it attracts and views on TV.It has been discussed many times to the point of who gives a sh*t?
Apparently a lot of people give a sh*t abour ORIGIN. Look at the posts in this forum, the crowds it attracts and views on TV.
Note the word origin. Its not sour grapes, its just utter bullsh*t. I don't give a f**k who they want to play for. I want to play for Netherlands in cricket so I can get a run but that doesn't mean I can go play for them. And SoO has even more importance on a junior growing up then cricket does.
It does matter and its a f**king debacle. If we have people playing for whoever offers the most money/where they want to play why dont we just play 2 club sides against one another?
In fact scrap the whole NRL concept, just play a best of 3 series between 2 random dream teams in June. One team can wear yellow, the other green. And players can choose where they want to play. Because that is all origin is with these 2 nuffies being absolute dogs to the state that bread them.
Folau would have got a run just like Hayne did after his debut season. I don't think Inglis would have got a run straight away, though.
Haha of course, rules are made for a purpose, but then again they should be broken whenever people wish. Thats just ridiculous. Its state of ORIGIN. Can anyone explain to me how we have the situation we do now.
If thats the case hand the Bulldogs the 2002 premiership. The salary cap stop sides poaching, but those players all loved the Bulldogs and wanted to play for them. So why were they penalised?
If someone is eligible to play for both States - as Folau and Inglis were, which State were they going to choose? There's only one answer.
First point explained - whenever strict enforcement of laws causes a situation to develop that is inconsistent with the purpose of the rules and thus iniquitous, an appellate judge will probably in any common law jurisdiction (UK, AUS, NZ) set aside the matter at hand and decide contradictory to the strict interpretation of the rules. The rules in this situation are perceived guidelines as they could not have intended to make rules that encompass every possible scenario nor cause inconsistency with purpose in exercise. Thus, they are tested and enforced on a case by case basis. Obviously Inglis and Folau are still playing for QLD, thus, QLD is not breaking the rules. Its not ridiculous - its consistant with common law and it has been done for hundreds of years. Its the best legal system in the world!
Don't patronise me, I know how the law system works in any Westminster(sp?) system. The law has a duty to stay constant within the ethical views of society. We are not talking about a law here, but rather a rule. There is a difference there in itself. Secondly common law is a form of law as it causes precedence in which must be followed in any court lower than the one in which the decision was handed down within the same system. If this is the case, why doesn't the ARL abolish the Origin rules which currently stand. Laws are not ignored, but rather changed. The rules were changed in 1980 in order to make interstate matches more competitive (and rightly so), the origin laws were brought in, thus creating the State Of ORIGIN. For good reason these rules still exist, and are blatantly being ignored.
State of Origin defined:
Origin: The point at which something comes into existence or from which it derives or is derived.
The beginning of footballing existance clearly began for these 2 players in NSW.
Simple as that really.