Controversial: Origin needs to adapt to reflect a changing NRL - or die a slow death...

[blue bags]

Origin is clearly one of the biggest events of the Australia Sporting Calendar that it amongst the highest viewership's of the year. It's an event other codes have tried to mimic unsuccessfully and has other states bidding to host a game.

We should always look to tweak eligibility rules in the future, but changing it altogether is absurd.

Origin holds all tv viewing records

 

[Rising from the Ashes]

Origin is 3 games a year, it won't die.

Different sport but T20 cricket for example will die because there over doing it, tournaments on 12 months of the year now.

 

[Yosh]

Origin is bloody fantastic. Why try to change something that isn't broken?

 

[TroyJax]

Origin is a tinpot concept

Lol imagine a toothless methhead from Penrith giving its opinion publicly.
You people are still the shame of the league.
Go back to beating your kids/wife and leave us to sort this one out please.

 

[Chins get the wins]

Lol imagine a toothless methhead from Penrith giving its opinion publicly.
You people are still the shame of the league.
Go back to beating your kids/wife and leave us to sort this one out please.

Awful banter

 

[Reflector]

Origin "works" because of the chip on the shoulder mentality of Queensland which goes back to the 1960s-1970s era when the QRL clubs were constantly raided by NSWRL clubs as they could not pay them as much due to poker machines being banned in Qld, which limited the QRL clubs revenue raising ability.

Whilst things have changed, its that intense dislike between the two states that makes it work.

The 1997 Super League Tri-Series was overall a flop. Its been quoted what players like Laurie Daley said, it just didn't feel like a NSW game. If you bring in other groups, be it nations (e.g. NZ) or other states (e.g. Victoria) you don't have that history to tap into and work with.

If you doubt me, look at the AFL State of Origin series, it started to die the moment they brought in the "Alliance" team (which was all the other states and territories outside of Vic and SA) as no one cared about that team at all. It only took a few years and the AFL State of Origin series was literally dead.

As to expanding the eligibility to include players from outside the current Australian rugby league pathways, you just wind up turning it into a glorified all stars game. For mine, that is what Test football is for, international teams.

Maybe to somebody like Laurie Daley, who had played plenty of Origins already, it wasn't a major deal. But to a fringe rep player like Steve Carter or Tony Butterfield, given his chance to represent his state, I'm sure he'd view it differently. This would be the beauty of having more sides/ games- more players get a chance to represent their state and show what they can do. They also get experience without it necessarily being a do-or-die game like a decider and that prepares them for getting drafted into a squad with injuries factoring in where the stakes are higher.

 

[RL The greatest game]

Wayne Bennett on the possible rule changes to SOO.

‘We’ll lose the fans’: Bennett’s solution to Origin debate as UK recruit prepares for $2m acid test

‘We’ll lose the fans’: Wayne’s warning over Origin debate as recruit set for $2m audition

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Desert Qlder]

If people are comfortable with all 34 players in an Origin game going on to play for England, NZ Samoa or anyone but Australia, then they should change the rules.

Current trends and international flexibility will soon see a majority doing so.

 

[Thatwasnthighref]

If people are comfortable with all 34 players in an Origin game going on to play for England, NZ Samoa or anyone but Australia, then they should change the rules.

Current trends and international flexibility will soon see a majority doing so.

It’ll never get to that. Anyone pushing that line is just playing the hysteria card.

Players’ connections to their ancestral homelands will naturally dissipate over generations. It’s a natural – and inevitable – outcome of cultural assimilation.

Teddy is a 2nd generation Italian who's only played for Italy when he missed Roo selection, and admits to not even knowing the anthem. One day Leniu's children and grandchildren will be in a similar boat.

And regardless of all that, the NRL will force the (toothless) IRL to change their international eligibility rules long before then anyway.

 

[The Axe of Druss]

Could have the indigenous state of Origin
Koories vs Murray's

Only blokes named Murray?

Queensland V's New South Wales
And add NZ Maoris. Tri series origin
Like superleague had the tri series origin
NSW. Queensland. NZ

A tri series between NSW, Qld and NZ is and always will be the most spastic idea in RL existence. Proven failure and should never ever be brought up again

 

[isaiah]

never ever let it die: this year loiero of the storm, mann of bulldogs, and shibasaki of broncos all became better nrl players coming back to their clubs after winning an origin series

 

[ALX25]

Disappointed to see PVL ruin SOO. Let's hope both states continue to follow the old rules. If you play SOO you should aspire to play for Australia. Legitimate Kiwis shouldn't play for QLD or NSW. The moment they're picked this year is the moment I stop watching and caring about it.

 

[adamkungl]

Disappointed to see PVL ruin SOO. Let's hope both states continue to follow the old rules. If you play SOO you should aspire to play for Australia. Legitimate Kiwis shouldn't play for QLD or NSW. The moment they're picked this year is the moment I stop watching and caring about it.

bye sweetie

 

[Fangs]

Don't have any concerns over this honestly. We will just see better players in the Origin arena.

The real issue is scheduling. Its contingent on getting to 20 teams in the NRL. The day that happens we might finally see Origin not compromise the quality of the whole competition every winter.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Disappointed to see PVL ruin SOO. Let's hope both states continue to follow the old rules. If you play SOO you should aspire to play for Australia. Legitimate Kiwis shouldn't play for QLD or NSW. The moment they're picked this year is the moment I stop watching and caring about it.

Why was it ok when it was blokes (often Kiwi blokes) who aspired to play for Samoa or Tonga playing Origin

 

[The Axe of Druss]

Disappointed to see PVL ruin SOO. Let's hope both states continue to follow the old rules. If you play SOO you should aspire to play for Australia. Legitimate Kiwis shouldn't play for QLD or NSW. The moment they're picked this year is the moment I stop watching and caring about it.

Yeah, sure you will

 

[Marshall_magic]

How many NZ/Poms are actually going to be eligible for origin? Feels like we are adding 2-3 players to selection pools per side, most of whom won’t be picked.

Going the other way would just destroy the international game.

 

[Thatwasnthighref]

How many NZ/Poms are actually going to be eligible for origin? Feels like we are adding 2-3 players to selection pools per side, most of whom won’t be picked.

Going the other way would just destroy the international game.

AFB walks into the NSW squad now... obviously Tonga aligned, but it was his lone Kiwi cap that's excluded him from Origin till now.

Casey McLean will be a NSW starter at some point in the next 3-5years if not sooner. And Nikora wouldn't look out of place, esp next year after Crichton buggers off.

 

[King hit]

Disappointed to see PVL ruin SOO. Let's hope both states continue to follow the old rules. If you play SOO you should aspire to play for Australia. Legitimate Kiwis shouldn't play for QLD or NSW. The moment they're picked this year is the moment I stop watching and caring about it.

lol more rugby league is dying shit

 

[The Axe of Druss]

AFB walks into the NSW squad now... obviously Tonga aligned, but it was his lone Kiwi cap that's excluded him from Origin till now.

Casey McLean will be a NSW starter at some point in the next 3-5years if not sooner. And Nikora wouldn't look out of place, esp next year after Crichton buggers off.

Nikora would be eligible for Qld, not NSW. He moved to theGC as a teenager and played for Keebra Park