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Crap end of the stick award

Which team gets the raw end most for 2009?

  • Broncos

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Canberra

    Votes: 10 14.7%
  • Canterbury

    Votes: 12 17.6%
  • Manly

    Votes: 4 5.9%
  • Newcastle

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Souths

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • NZ Warriors

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Penrith

    Votes: 7 10.3%
  • Parramatta

    Votes: 3 4.4%
  • Cronulla

    Votes: 6 8.8%
  • Wests Tigers

    Votes: 3 4.4%
  • St George

    Votes: 7 10.3%
  • Melbourne

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Gold Coast

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • NQ Cowboys

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Sydney Roosters

    Votes: 6 8.8%

  • Total voters
    68

Apey

Moderator
Staff member
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f**k me I hope the Knights are back in form when we play Raiders. :crazy:
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

Coach
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12,420
I find that referees arent really a problem, but alot of the rules are the problem. Id be happy with almost anything a referee dose aslong as its consistant.
 

Timmah

LeagueUnlimited News Editor
Staff member
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100,984
By definition I believe we're the most penalised side in the game.

But lol @ skeepe & TT, deadset, let it go boys.
 

mxlegend99

Referee
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23,324
Panthers have had two games where dud referee decisions cost us the game. We've had a couple of games which we struggled to win due to dud decisions. Although the referees in general have just been f*cking terrible this season. I usually don't care about other teams being dudded, but almost every weekend i'm watching games where the referee is p*ssing me off and my team isn't even playing.

That makes it a lot easier to accept the poor decisions against us... just about every team is copping them.
 

mxlegend99

Referee
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23,324
BTW, when did they stop ruling on forward passes? Every single game i have watched this season has had several blatant forward passes and very rarely are they actually called back. I'm always happy when Penrith get away with it, although it would be nice to see the officials actually doing their job.
 

Timmah

LeagueUnlimited News Editor
Staff member
Messages
100,984
A lot of times too we're seeing refs making their own decisions about supposedly forward passes which are clearly flat or back... Idris' to El Masri last Friday a prime example, just lucky it didn't cost us.
 

Packy

Bench
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4,243
They say that winning is a culture. Well so is losing and I think refs have always been influenced by that.

For years the Cowboys could not win a game or a 50/50 decision. Recently, that has changed.

Souths are still stuck with that stigma in my opinion. sh*t just doesn't go their way. People expect them to cop and so they do. It's almost as if the refs can't believe that such a poor team can do something amazing so they are automatically inclined to believe that there was an issue or error leading to it.

Other teams have had their turns but I believe Souths have had a fairly decent exposure to it since re-entering the comp.
 

sting

Bench
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3,936
Oh boy, where do I start.

  • Taniela Tuiaki is clearly held TWICE, keeps going and scores. The try is awarded and the Tigers go on to win, and Robert Finch admits that the decision was incorrect.
  • Krisnan Inu gathers a lost ball by the Raiders, runs 15 metres upfield, loses the ball. Referee says no advantage, awards a scrum to Parramatta.
  • Luke Burt makes a break downfield, David Milne tackles and moves when told to, Burt throws himself forward without a hand on him and Milne gets sinbinned for what I can only assume was a phantom hold down. Robert Finch admits the decision was incorrect.
  • Same game, Bronson Harrison, about 20 metres out from our own line, gets an offload away about 2-3 seconds after the defense get their hands on him, referee pulls it up, says he called held and orders a scrum. Parramatta score from the resulting set. Robert Finch admits the decision was incorrect.
  • Luke Burt attempts to catch a kick, facing forwards, the ball hits his hand and goes forward, referee calls knocked back.
  • Campese kicks downfield and is hit marginally late (shouldn't be a penalty)... Canberra chasers regather with nobody in front of them, referee calls it back for a Canberra penalty and then to compound the error, won't let Campese take the quick tap, insists on waiting for the entire Parramatta defensive line - some 30 metres downfield - getting into position first.
  • Trevor Thurling is penalised for holding down, despite the tackle being far quicker than most others in the game. Parramatta score off the resulting set, and Robert Finch admits the decision was incorrect. If any of those decisions had gone Canberra's way, they would have won as the deciding margin was just two points.
  • The Raiders make a break, and Luke O'Donnell commits a professional foul by holding down until his teammates can get back to defend. The exact same referee who deemed David Milne worthy of sin binning for not having a hand on the player decides that O'Donnell did nothing wrong.
  • In the same game, Antonio Kaufusi falls asleep on tackles several times. Naturally the Raiders are the only ones penalised for holding down.
  • On the last tackle, Campese kicks the ball hard into the ground and over the sideline. The touch judge apparently misses the massive rebound off the ground and says it went out on the full.
  • Bronson Harrison and Trevor Thurling are at marker. Both are standing dead square. The Sharks have the ball, and the first receiver drops it in the tackle. The Raiders pick it up, only for a penalty against the markers for something nobody can understand.
  • A Sharks player drops the ball when nobody has hands anywhere near him. The referee comically rules that it was stripped by the Raiders.
  • William Zillman chases through a Scott Prince kick but is 2-3 metres offside. The on-field referee decides to check it with the video referee. Despite every angle clearly showing Zillman offside, the video ref awards the try. That ends up being the difference as the Titans win by 6.
  • The Raiders score a wonderful try against the Bulldogs, which is sent to the video ref. Josh McCrone quite clearly promotes the ball back towards his own goal line (a knock back), yet quite inexplicably Phil Cooley decides that it is a knock on - quite possibly the only person who saw the game who could agree with that.
  • Later in that game, it appears Hazem El Masri has scored the matchwinner off a kick put through by... I think it was Ennis. It goes to the video, where replays clearly show that Jarrod Croker was going to get to the ball... until Jamal Idris pushes him in the back and takes him out of play. But Phil Cooley decides that it's fine to take out opposition players who certainly would have prevented a try being scored, and gives the Dogs the win.
  • To add insult to injury, Tom Learoyd-Lahrs is charged by the judiciary with striking for an incident where he attempted to fend Idris fairly.
  • Penrith are awarded a try despite one of the most blatant knock ons you will ever see in the lead-up.
  • Petero Civoniceva is penalised 3 times in 2 minutes for blatant professional fouls. He does not go to the sin bin, despite the fact that any other player would have.
  • Steve Price charges for the line but clearly loses the ball over it. The video referee ignores this and awards the "touchdown" (you couldn't call it a try).
  • Simon Mannering throws a pass that travels 5 metres forward, the Warriors score as a result. A Raiders pass that travelled backwards was later called forward in the same match.
  • Jarrod Croker is clearly taken out of the play by Beau Champion when contesting for a bomb. The ball lands exactly where Croker would have been had he not been taken out, and Souths score. The video ref again ignores a player being blatantly taken out and awards a try.
  • Trevor Thurling collides with Scott Porter simultaneously with the kick going up. Not only is an unfathomable penalty awarded, it's also put on report! Absolutely ridiculous.
  • Shayne Hayne goes an a penalty rampage, absolutely slaughtering Canberra and apparently seeing things nobody else can see, whilst ignoring countless indiscretions by the Sharks.
All of this ignores the countless times the opposition gets away with holding down for what seems like up to a minute while the Raiders are penalised for staying on longer than 2 seconds, the forward passes and knock ons not called despite how blatant they are, and just general incompetence by the referees.

wow.

you really need to get a life
 

skeepe

Immortal
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48,303
They say that winning is a culture. Well so is losing and I think refs have always been influenced by that.

For years the Cowboys could not win a game or a 50/50 decision. Recently, that has changed.

Souths are still stuck with that stigma in my opinion. sh*t just doesn't go their way. People expect them to cop and so they do. It's almost as if the refs can't believe that such a poor team can do something amazing so they are automatically inclined to believe that there was an issue or error leading to it.

Other teams have had their turns but I believe Souths have had a fairly decent exposure to it since re-entering the comp.

Neil Henry said the same thing and was fined $10,000 for it. Basically said that referees, whether they mean to or not, come into a game with a pre-conceived idea of how it's going to go based on seeing other games involving those two teams and referee accordingly.

I think there's a strong case to be made for that. I don't think they're doing it deliberately, they just have an incompetent in Robert Finch at the top.
 

coolumsharkie

Referee
Messages
27,115
Neil Henry said the same thing and was fined $10,000 for it. Basically said that referees, whether they mean to or not, come into a game with a pre-conceived idea of how it's going to go based on seeing other games involving those two teams and referee accordingly.

I think there's a strong case to be made for that. I don't think they're doing it deliberately, they just have an incompetent in Robert Finch at the top.

Bad ref calls are part of the game, it is the same now as it was when i was a pup.

FFS man, focus on something else.

BTW....I voted for Canberra if that makes you feel better.
 
Messages
886
Raiders and Penrith.

Skeepe, on that list you can add on: last week when Cronulla were on their own line and number 3 threw a forward pass to Covell and the Sharks score in that set.
 

Red Bear

Referee
Messages
20,882
Whilst the roosters have been sh*t anyway, they have been persecuted by the refs this season. I remember at the ANZAC day game chooks player got up to play the ball and dragons players foot was in the road - knock on and dragons ball and then same thing happens teams reversed and dragons get a penalty.
 

Firey_Dragon

Coach
Messages
12,099
Blaming the ref for losses is just admitting you weren't good enough to win the contest. Yes ref's stuff up, but most of the whinging comes from teams on the bottom of the ladder, dare I say the team in question has far more input into where they stand on the table than the ref.

I would say the dog's have had some poor luck in regards to some matches, but I agree with the docking of the points against the Panthers as the player was in the line, and against us, well they had some lucky calls earlier in the match. Over the course of the season it all even's up.

This thread is just an invitation for people to whinge about their own teams perceived misfortunes.
 

gregstar

Referee
Messages
20,465
definitely the dragons.

jeremy smith was unfairly penalised at the 15 minute mark against the storm in round 1. he had just completed a dominant tackle & was pinged for laying in the ruck.

f*cking outrageous.
 
Messages
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i can only really single 1 out.

round 2 vs newcastle. sharks dominating. baz kicks 40/20 misi scores off the first play in the corner.

allegedly he was out. bullsh*t.

game completely changed after that. all momentum lost.
 

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