Credit and humble pie to Cayless

[yy_cheng]

i think that previously cayless in the second row hasnt worked is because there hasnt been good front rowers to replace him.

YUP. That's my take too. Plus we also had Wags, Chad, Morro, etc

 

[ROGUE]

will be interesting to see what we do with caylo if we sign poore! i just think the platform that poore and fui could lay in the opening 20 would be epic!

Mate poore is staying south and it's as simple as that

 

[Ron Jeremy]

He has been great for most of the year, and im happy to say that! he has lifted his game when needed and started to show more variety in his game like from his early days.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

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yy, I will once again disagree.

You want your ball players in tight where there are the most people. This means with good ball play you can keep those people in tight and maintain space out wide.

Sure, Caylo can pop passes like Creagh but he has much more potential to do so in tight where he can shift it to a playmaker who can then take advantage of Caylo having held defenders in tight.

Now, obviously we all have our own opinion. Mine is that if I have a choice between Caylo passing to halves or Caylo passing to centres etc as runners, I'll take Caylo passing to the halves any day of the week.

Also, I don't see any reason why Caylo can't run one of those on the first hit up. The exact reason why you'd want to do it is because it wouldn't be expected (as shown by your comments suggesting it wouldn't be done). Plus, with Caylo running tight it offers better phase play from his tight offloads, which he can easily do against 3 defenders up the middle.

I wouldn't be crying if Caylo played wider but I still think he offers more to the team when playing tighter with more defenders around him.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

yy, I will once again disagree.

You want your ball players in tight where there are the most people. This means with good ball play you can keep those people in tight and maintain space out wide.

Sure, Caylo can pop passes like Creagh but he has much more potential to do so in tight where he can shift it to a playmaker who can then take advantage of Caylo having held defenders in tight.

Now, obviously we all have our own opinion. Mine is that if I have a choice between Caylo passing to halves or Caylo passing to centres etc as runners, I'll take Caylo passing to the halves any day of the week.

Also, I don't see any reason why Caylo can't run one of those on the first hit up. The exact reason why you'd want to do it is because it wouldn't be expected (as shown by your comments suggesting it wouldn't be done). Plus, with Caylo running tight it offers better phase play from his tight offloads, which he can easily do against 3 defenders up the middle.

I wouldn't be crying if Caylo played wider but I still think he offers more to the team when playing tighter with more defenders around him.

Yep totally agree HJ, i think we had this debate last time at Dragons game, he has more variety to his game and he's showing it which he needed to do, he's playing like it's 1999:sarcasm:

 

[yy_cheng]

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I am not a footballer just an avid league fan so this type of technicalities is not my forte.

My point mainly is that he is not a battering ram which I believe he is quite poor at. But if he played wider like Widders or Creigh, he could create more opportunities plus more time on the field.


Say we get lucky and manage to snag a Poore.

13 and 11 for mine are not available leaving

1 backrow and 2 front row possies.

We have vying for the backrow of:

Huaraki, JoeG, Oake, Smith, BK, TT


Front Row:

Poore, FFMM, Mannah, Lats, Paulo


I would like my starting pack to be:

13. Mateo
12. Caylo
11. Hindy
10. FFMM
9. MK
8. Poore

14. Kingston, Mitchell or A.Kelly
15. JoeG
16. Mannah
17. Paulo or Lats or TT

We could start with JoeG and FFMM comes onto the Bench but I feel, especially this season, when FFMM came off the bench, we were dominated in the opening 20.

Since FFMM started, we have either been a little on top or equal in the forward battle.


As you have said, running in tight is more effective but in the 2nd row, he could run in tight or run out wide, no?

Also in the 2nd row, someone else would do the kick off runs and the first few SAFER hitups.

So basically, Caylo could run as the 3rd prop in tight with the option to pass but sometimes run wide ala Widders and pop up balls to INU, Reddy, Hayne, Burt, thus adding variety and hopefully more game time.

Now, of course, this is assuming we have another quality PROP !!!!

 

[caylo]

yy, I will once again disagree.

You want your ball players in tight where there are the most people. This means with good ball play you can keep those people in tight and maintain space out wide.

Sure, Caylo can pop passes like Creagh but he has much more potential to do so in tight where he can shift it to a playmaker who can then take advantage of Caylo having held defenders in tight.

Now, obviously we all have our own opinion. Mine is that if I have a choice between Caylo passing to halves or Caylo passing to centres etc as runners, I'll take Caylo passing to the halves any day of the week.

Also, I don't see any reason why Caylo can't run one of those on the first hit up. The exact reason why you'd want to do it is because it wouldn't be expected (as shown by your comments suggesting it wouldn't be done). Plus, with Caylo running tight it offers better phase play from his tight offloads, which he can easily do against 3 defenders up the middle.

I wouldn't be crying if Caylo played wider but I still think he offers more to the team when playing tighter with more defenders around him.

senario 1: kick off, cayless takes 1st hitup and makes it to the 15 meter mark and offloads the ball and we loss it (opposition dives on it, he knocks on).

senario 2: 2nd tackle after the opsosition kicks and cayless offloads the ball with similar result as above.

now HJ you would be the first person on here complaining, you don't offload the ball on the first 2 plays that is stupid. You offload the ball after you have the opposition backtracking and they have less players in tackles not more (more effective offloads). If you have the opposition worried more about setting their line for the next ruck that is when you are going to do most damage. If 3 players are in the tackle it is very difficult to offload a ball, it is about attracting 2 players and having the opposition back peddeling to set their line again. If the offload then is made you have the opposition on the back foot and you make breaks like Robson was able to.

 

[hineyrulz]

Yep totally agree HJ, i think we had this debate last time at Dragons game, he has more variety to his game and he's showing it which he needed to do, he's playing like it's 1999:sarcasm:

Now he's the Prince of Sting???? :shock:

 

[WA Eel]

YY, Cayless has already been tried as a second rower back in Brian Smith's "big is beautiful" year (2003 or 2004, can't remember). He wasn't very good and got moved back to prop mid season.