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dam out go the poms

Tommy Smith

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Thierry Henry said:
David Beckham must be cursed or something. The ball clearly rolled off the mark just before he kicked it. Of all the times for it to start moving, it does it literally 1/10th of a second before he takes the penalty in a Euro 2004 quarter final. What was up with that penalty spot anyway?? It looked like they had dumped a whole bunch of sand there for some reason??
Yeah that baffles me. Shouldn't they just be slapping abit of white paint over what really is just another peice of footy field? Why the f**k was the spot more unstable than quick sand!

And yes, Beckham is cursed...but more to the point, so are England.
 

Mad Dogg

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Ashley Cole did a great job on Ronaldo, stopping him regularly and not being fooled (not often anyway :lol: ) by the footwork. Probably the best anybody has done against him since about February.

Of course, nobody can completely stop him. :twisted:

Why bring Phil Neville on to hold the middle when he can't pass a ball 5 metres. He puts everyone around him under pressure. Surely Nicky Butt was the better option.
Actually, Butt is worse than Phil when it comes to passing. At least Phil knows that he isn't a playmaker and so keeps the passes short. Butt does seem to fancy himself as a creator, and tries long and tricky passes which very rarely work.

But Parker should've been picked over both of them.
 

Parra_Eels

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saw the replay - that ref is such a wanker - of course it was a theatrical dive by ricardo - i thought owen looked a bit more dangerous today after the early goal and england totally dominated the first 80 minutes.

sven doesn't have the guts to pull beckham off - a shocking tournament from him - hargreaves was good when he came on but at least scolari had the guts to pull figo off and big name players - sven wouldn't want to upset 'golden boy' who's missed 2 penalties this tournament. also bad luck darius
 

The Clan

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I questioned the tactics of SGE before this tournement began. In the World cup we retreated behind our half way line every time we took a lead. We went from looking good going forward to hanging on for dear life, even aginst lesser teams.

We did the same thing against France and although the lads did superbly for almost 90 mins ultimately this tactic cost us. We did the same thing again last night against Portugal.

I also question SGE squad and again this isn't hindsight!

Scholes isn't playing well enough to be in the 11. Cole on the left with Bridge at left back is a better option. It gives us two natural left footed players both who get forward and in Cole we have a player who can beat a man with the ball at his feet, in Bridge we have one of the best left foot crosses of the ball in football.

Beckham has been poor in all four games yet he never looked like he was going to be replaced. He did one quality thing in the whole tournement, the free kick for Lampards goal. He has missed two crucial penalties. Lets not forget that had he scored the penalty against France we would be playing Greece not Portugal. Why is he taking the penalties anyway, he applies none of the finess he shows when taking free kicks when taking the penalties. He just hits the ball as hard as he can, even the penalty he scored against Argentina was a poor one.

Dyer would have been a good replacement for Beckham on the right wing.

When Rooney came off why did SGE not put Scholes into the Rooney roll and either move Cole up or bring on Joe Cole. We would then still have the option of Vassel coming on for the last 20 minutes and it would mean Owen could stay right up front where he was worrying the Portugese defence.

What would we give to have had Alan Smith on the bench. Like him or hate him, he would have chased and harried the defenders to death. Defending from the front and supporting Owen he would have carried a scoring threat while preventing Portugal from building a move from the back.

Scott parker should have been in the squad ahead of P Nellille. Why take two utility players in the squad, once Carragher was selected there was no need for another utility at the expense of a specialist midfielder like Parker. Neville was guilty of a poor tackle which gave a penalty to Romania in the last Euro Championships and out we went. This time he allowed Rui Costa to get on the goal side of him and then made a pathetic attempt to tackle him which ended up with Costa being free to line up his shot and Portugal take the lead. Scott Parker would have been a much better substitution than Neville in last night game.

Sven has to go cos I don't see him changing too much and he's been found out twice now in major championships.
 

aqua_duck

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The Clan said:
What would we give to have had Alan Smith on the bench. Like him or hate him, he would have chased and harried the defenders to death. Defending from the front and supporting Owen he would have carried a scoring threat while preventing Portugal from building a move from the back.
Apparently Emile Heskey is rated more highly. :lol:
 

The Clan

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LOL

mmmmm??

let me think about this one <pondering the issue>

Heskey to Birmingham!

Smith to Manchester Utd

Not hard is it!
 

Tommy Smith

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The Clan said:
I questioned the tactics of SGE before this tournement began. In the World cup we retreated behind our half way line every time we took a lead. We went from looking good going forward to hanging on for dear life, even aginst lesser teams.

We did the same thing against France and although the lads did superbly for almost 90 mins ultimately this tactic cost us. We did the same thing again last night against Portugal.

I also question SGE squad and again this isn't hindsight!

Scholes isn't playing well enough to be in the 11. Cole on the left with Bridge at left back is a better option. It gives us two natural left footed players both who get forward and in Cole we have a player who can beat a man with the ball at his feet, in Bridge we have one of the best left foot crosses of the ball in football.

Beckham has been poor in all four games yet he never looked like he was going to be replaced. He did one quality thing in the whole tournement, the free kick for Lampards goal. He has missed two crucial penalties. Lets not forget that had he scored the penalty against France we would be playing Greece not Portugal. Why is he taking the penalties anyway, he applies none of the finess he shows when taking free kicks when taking the penalties. He just hits the ball as hard as he can, even the penalty he scored against Argentina was a poor one.

Dyer would have been a good replacement for Beckham on the right wing.

When Rooney came off why did SGE not put Scholes into the Rooney roll and either move Cole up or bring on Joe Cole. We would then still have the option of Vassel coming on for the last 20 minutes and it would mean Owen could stay right up front where he was worrying the Portugese defence.

What would we give to have had Alan Smith on the bench. Like him or hate him, he would have chased and harried the defenders to death. Defending from the front and supporting Owen he would have carried a scoring threat while preventing Portugal from building a move from the back.

Scott parker should have been in the squad ahead of P Nellille. Why take two utility players in the squad, once Carragher was selected there was no need for another utility at the expense of a specialist midfielder like Parker. Neville was guilty of a poor tackle which gave a penalty to Romania in the last Euro Championships and out we went. This time he allowed Rui Costa to get on the goal side of him and then made a pathetic attempt to tackle him which ended up with Costa being free to line up his shot and Portugal take the lead. Scott Parker would have been a much better substitution than Neville in last night game.

Sven has to go cos I don't see him changing too much and he's been found out twice now in major championships.
Very, very good summary. You make alot of good points. Of course the obvious one is that we played our best football in the tourny with an attacking mindset, just like Italy really. A goal in the early stages has proved to be a downside in a way because of the way we approach the rest of the game. Instead we should continue to play normal, back the defence to hold them out and i would have been very confident we could have scored another goal or two when you look at how well we went against Croatia.
 

Tommy Smith

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Having seen another replay of the Becks penalty, the ball CLEARLY deviated at the last, and ultimatly worst possible moment. He is not to blame. Truely incredible bad luck that has been evident for England throughout the tournament. The France game, Rooney's injury, Campbell's disallowed goal and the dodgy penalty spot. We're cursed :cry: :cry: :cry:
 

Munky

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I support England at major championships due to my Mum being English.
 

Craig

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weasel said:
I have to give another huge wrap to Ricardo Carvalho. He's an unbelievable defender. No doubt a top club will snap him up.

Inter have already put in a 7.5m euro bid for him and has also attracted interest from Real Madrid and Chelski.
 

nibbs

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lol at David Beckham. I was in Rome at the time, in this Irish Pub filled with bitter England hating Italians. All but one of them wanted England to win. They were happy. I was also happy. But I hope the Danes win. I really do...
 

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