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Daniel Mortimer stares down second-year syndrome

jono

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That`s what I would do. Having said that, though, I reckon Tahu would make a good fist of five-eight. Unfortunately you would then have to drop Robson to accomodate him. Maybe injuries will make the selection easier.

Sorry , can't agree with the TT experiment.
Look what happened to Gasnier in his last year , tried him at 5/8 , still tried to play like a centre.
Tahu is a centre , and really , THE best centre in the club.Even allowing for Joel's great last two seasons.
 

Stagger eel

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Sorry , can't agree with the TT experiment.
Look what happened to Gasnier in his last year , tried him at 5/8 , still tried to play like a centre.
Tahu is a centre , and really , THE best centre in the club.Even allowing for Joel's great last two seasons.

one of the more interesting quotes that T made after he signed with us was that he developed the ability to pass in both directions, which could give DA something to ponder...

It's not as silly as it sounds an it could very well happen at some stage.
 

jono

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one of the more interesting quotes that T made after he signed with us was that he developed the ability to pass in both directions, which could give DA something to ponder...

It's not as silly as it sounds an it could very well happen at some stage.

Not necessarily silly , I'm just not sure whether it would be the best use of the resources the coach has available.
Still , if the one thing he has learnt one thing from his trip to the dark side is to pass both ways , it is an interesting prospect .
 

Joshuatheeel

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Why move Tahu t 5/8 when we already have 3 players in Mortimer, Keating and Robson fighting for 2 positions. Plus there is Bumble Bee. If we were short of half's it would be a good option.

If we continue to off load like this year there are going to be quite a few times where Tahu will be one on one with the oposition - and we know what normally happens in this situation !!!! Tahu is almost impossible to tackle one on one.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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The ability to pass "perfectly" in both directions is amazingly difficult to teach RL players these days because there is almost no use for most players to learn it in the modern game. Quite amazing actually.

But thats just one thing about being a half. How are Tahus organisational skills, how is his kicking game, could he cope with being closer to the middle of the field in defence. Not interested in the experiment one bit and would rather develop KK, Humble and Morts further.
 

Craig Johnston

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i'd be keen to see how tahu goes as a running half, providing daniel mortimer is the halfback. hayne's kicking responsibilities at fb and maturity now make this quite viable. surely the rugger would have added to tahu's technical ability if anything
 

Casper The Ghost

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one of the more interesting quotes that T made after he signed with us was that he developed the ability to pass in both directions, which could give DA something to ponder...

It's not as silly as it sounds an it could very well happen at some stage.

Not necessarily silly , I'm just not sure whether it would be the best use of the resources the coach has available.
Still , if the one thing he has learnt one thing from his trip to the dark side is to pass both ways , it is an interesting prospect .

Why move Tahu t 5/8 when we already have 3 players in Mortimer, Keating and Robson fighting for 2 positions. Plus there is Bumble Bee. If we were short of half's it would be a good option.

If we continue to off load like this year there are going to be quite a few times where Tahu will be one on one with the oposition - and we know what normally happens in this situation !!!! Tahu is almost impossible to tackle one on one.

The ability to pass "perfectly" in both directions is amazingly difficult to teach RL players these days because there is almost no use for most players to learn it in the modern game. Quite amazing actually.

But thats just one thing about being a half. How are Tahus organisational skills, how is his kicking game, could he cope with being closer to the middle of the field in defence. Not interested in the experiment one bit and would rather develop KK, Humble and Morts further.

i'd be keen to see how tahu goes as a running half, providing daniel mortimer is the halfback. hayne's kicking responsibilities at fb and maturity now make this quite viable. surely the rugger would have added to tahu's technical ability if anything

The traditional roll of a 5/8 is changing and so is the whole team game. It would not be unrealistic to have Tahu at center pushing long passes behind the ruck, either side, to quickly switch the point of attack when a staggered wall of defence has been created by fast play the balls and 2nd phase plays at the line.

Having great attackers like Hayne, Burt, Inu, Grothe, Mateo, Fui, Smith, Reddy, etc, running at holes that tells/guides/instructs Tahu (and others) exactly where to pass the ball, is a most exciting option (of many). We saw this a few times late season when Burt or Hayne were breaking away from well inside the Eels 20 meter lines on 1st or 2nd tackle options, running off each others long passes behind the 1st lines of attack.

If I was DA I would be devising many attacking options well behind the ruck with players hitting the ball at great speed, on angle runs, that allows them to blast through staggered walls of defence. It's mouth watering the many long-range tries this Eels squad will create 2010.

I would be training Mortimer, Robson, Mateo, Burt, both Keatings, Tahu, Hayne, Inu, etc (all good long-passes of the ball) to switch the points of the attack (behind the 1st line of attack) after a 2nd phase play at the line has occurred or after a few fast play the balls occurred through the ruck or either side of the ruck.

When you include other players, SOME in motion running as decoys (or not) at holes, at speed, behind the 1st lines of attack, the defensive lines will have a hard time detecting where the ball is going to be passed as well as always having two or three defenders available to shut down a Fui or Grothe or Mateo or Inu or Reddy or Hayne,.... burst at a hole at speed.

If I was coach I would generally (not always) have this Eels team playing a wide/expansive game and on rainy/heavy dew days/nights, tighten up the attack (as little as possible) and focus on fast play the balls, with runners hitting holes either side of the ruck and use the kicking game through or over the defense lines when the defense has been pulled in tight.

I would even mix things up by using both options many times during a game as well. The key is fast play the balls, controlling the ruck with speed and further developing techniques that allows 2nd phase plays to occur more frequently. The Eels have ALL the right players to carry out such a game plan.

And then there is the individual brilliance arising from so many strong, tall, freaky attacking players creating opportunities one on one and even two on one at the line or behind the line.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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The traditional roll of a 5/8 is changing and so is the whole team game. It would not be unrealistic to have Tahu at center pushing long passes behind the ruck, either side, to quickly switch the point of attack when a staggered wall of defence has been created by fast play the balls and 2nd phase plays at the line.

Having great attackers like Hayne, Burt, Inu, Grothe, Mateo, Fui, Smith, Reddy, etc, running at holes that tells/guides/instructs Tahu (and others) exactly where to pass the ball, is a most exciting option (of many). We saw this a few times late season when Burt or Hayne were breaking away from well inside the Eels 20 meter lines on 1st or 2nd tackle options, running off each others long passes behind the 1st lines of attack.

If I was DA I would be devising many attacking options well behind the ruck with players hitting the ball at great speed, on angle runs, that allows them to blast through staggered walls of defence. It's mouth watering the many long-range tries this Eels squad will create 2010.

I would be training Mortimer, Robson, Mateo, Burt, both Keatings, Tahu, Hayne, Inu, etc (all good long-passes of the ball) to switch the points of the attack (behind the 1st line of attack) after a 2nd phase play at the line has occurred or after a few fast play the balls occurred through the ruck or either side of the ruck.

When you include other players, SOME in motion running as decoys (or not) at holes, at speed, behind the 1st lines of attack, the defensive lines will have a hard time detecting where the ball is going to be passed as well as always having two or three defenders available to shut down a Fui or Grothe or Mateo or Inu or Reddy or Hayne,.... burst at a hole at speed.

If I was coach I would generally (not always) have this Eels team playing a wide/expansive game and on rainy/heavy dew days/nights, tighten up the attack (as little as possible) and focus on fast play the balls, with runners hitting holes either side of the ruck and use the kicking game through or over the defense lines when the defense has been pulled in tight.

I would even mix things up by using both options many times during a game as well. The key is fast play the balls, controlling the ruck with speed and further developing techniques that allows 2nd phase plays to occur more frequently. The Eels have ALL the right players to carry out such a game plan.

And then there is the individual brilliance arising from so many strong, tall, freaky attacking players creating opportunities one on one and even two on one at the line or behind the line.

Thats true, and that kind of game plan fits perfectly with how we play when we play best. No individualy roles in the team, everyone does everything and supports each other and helps out with the work load, like when Morts makes tackle after tackle when Fui or Caylo need a short breather. But my biggest problem with moving Tahu to five eight is weakening one position to strengthen another. Id rather Hayne or Reddy at five eight ahead of Tahu, and we still have Morts, KK, Humble and Mateo who can very easily play there.

The bit in bold I question though, although all our players are capable, and alot are proven players with a considerably large amount of consistantcy, I still believe we have an unproven kicking game. It is IMO our biggest flaw. Not saying its bad, but I still think its unproven.
 

yy_cheng

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The traditional roll of a 5/8 is changing and so is the whole team game. It would not be unrealistic to have Tahu at center pushing long passes behind the ruck, either side, to quickly switch the point of attack when a staggered wall of defence has been created by fast play the balls and 2nd phase plays at the line.

Having great attackers like Hayne, Burt, Inu, Grothe, Mateo, Fui, Smith, Reddy, etc, running at holes that tells/guides/instructs Tahu (and others) exactly where to pass the ball, is a most exciting option (of many). We saw this a few times late season when Burt or Hayne were breaking away from well inside the Eels 20 meter lines on 1st or 2nd tackle options, running off each others long passes behind the 1st lines of attack.

If I was DA I would be devising many attacking options well behind the ruck with players hitting the ball at great speed, on angle runs, that allows them to blast through staggered walls of defence. It's mouth watering the many long-range tries this Eels squad will create 2010.

I would be training Mortimer, Robson, Mateo, Burt, both Keatings, Tahu, Hayne, Inu, etc (all good long-passes of the ball) to switch the points of the attack (behind the 1st line of attack) after a 2nd phase play at the line has occurred or after a few fast play the balls occurred through the ruck or either side of the ruck.

When you include other players, SOME in motion running as decoys (or not) at holes, at speed, behind the 1st lines of attack, the defensive lines will have a hard time detecting where the ball is going to be passed as well as always having two or three defenders available to shut down a Fui or Grothe or Mateo or Inu or Reddy or Hayne,.... burst at a hole at speed.

If I was coach I would generally (not always) have this Eels team playing a wide/expansive game and on rainy/heavy dew days/nights, tighten up the attack (as little as possible) and focus on fast play the balls, with runners hitting holes either side of the ruck and use the kicking game through or over the defense lines when the defense has been pulled in tight.

I would even mix things up by using both options many times during a game as well. The key is fast play the balls, controlling the ruck with speed and further developing techniques that allows 2nd phase plays to occur more frequently. The Eels have ALL the right players to carry out such a game plan.

And then there is the individual brilliance arising from so many strong, tall, freaky attacking players creating opportunities one on one and even two on one at the line or behind the line.
Since we now have a bigger pack and bigger backs - besides burty, our 1-5 are huge and strong, I reckon we should just play safety one out footy. When we get to the other 20m zone, bomb to our tall backs.
 

hindy111

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our kicking game was very inconsitent-On gf day it was terrible..To bad cause if was i think we avoid storm scoring a few tries.....
 

Casper The Ghost

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Since we now have a bigger pack and bigger backs - besides burty, our 1-5 are huge and strong, I reckon we should just play safety one out footy. When we get to the other 20m zone, bomb to our tall backs.

Boring football causes players to look over the fence at greener pastures.

The characters in this team DEMAND "entertainment ++++" so why would DA want to mess with this?????

It is the mouth-watering adventures encountered and achieved by this Eels squad that will bring back memories of great joy, pride and respect 30 years down-the-line for everyone involved, including all spectators.

The exhilaration of the Eels positive attacking game will bring the players, the club, the officials, the coaches, the assistants and the fans closer and closer together as one big family. We all got a taste of this during the last 7 games the Eels played in 2009, particularly the last four.

We now have the make up of what will become one of the greatest attacking football teams, if not the greatest, in Rugby League History, even better than Puig Aubert's 1951 French Rugby League Team that toured and mesmerized Australians who saw them play.

As predicted much earlier this year, (though very few agreed at the time), the Eels have entered into a true golden age and this will last for a very long time...... if we all (including fans) don't mess with this dream.... negative/destructive thoughts and feelings upon the club and players and coaches etc.

This Eels squad (and others to come/join the top 25) will finally help catapult rugby league onto the international stage.

But we have to get rid of all the MASONIC crap ASAP and allow RL to be controlled by the true heart of RL which is not found in soulless commerce/big-business attitudes/ways-of-life. The spirit of Dally Messenger (and many others) must not be forgotten.

RL is the peoples game, not the establishments. The people wanted to escape from RU because they didn't want the establishment in their lives, in their sport, to control and profit from, the fat cats keeping most of the fat for themselves.
 
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yy_cheng

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Boring football causes players to look over the fence at greener pastures.

The characters in this team DEMAND "entertainment ++++" so why would DA want to mess with this?????

It is the mouth-watering adventures encountered and achieved by this Eels squad that will bring back memories of great joy, pride and respect 30 years down-the-line for everyone involved, including all spectators.

The exhilaration of the Eels positive attacking game will bring the players, the club, the officials, the coaches, the assistants and the fans closer and closer together as one big family. We all got a taste of this during the last 7 games the Eels played in 2009, particularly the last four.

We now have the make up of what will become one of the greatest attacking football teams, if not the greatest, in Rugby League History, even better than Puig Aubert's 1951 French Rugby League Team that toured and mesmerized Australians who saw them play.

As predicted much earlier this year, (though very few agreed at the time), the Eels have entered into a true golden age and this will last for a very long time...... if we all (including fans) don't mess with this dream.... negative/destructive thoughts and feelings upon the club and players and coaches etc.

This Eels squad (and others to come/join the top 25) will finally help catapult rugby league onto the international stage.

But we have to get rid of all the MASONIC crap ASAP and allow RL to be controlled by the true heart of RL which is not found in soulless commerce/big-business attitudes/ways-of-life. The spirit of Dally Messenger (and many others) must not be forgotten.

RL is the peoples game, not the establishments. The people wanted to escape from RU because they didn't want the establishment in their lives, in their sport, to control and profit from, the fat cats keeping most of the fat for themselves.

Hahha, caught a big fish today.....
 

Casper The Ghost

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Hahha, caught a big fish today.....

You sure did
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Casper The Ghost

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What rod...I only noticed the bait....

Gees Pete, you must be still foraging out in the Hay paddocks eating all that living food? Nothing like munching on Hay grass each day to keep the old fella ticking over. I'm looking forward to maturing in my later years the way you have. :lol::lol::lol:
 

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