dean young is on a mission

[Unsainty79]

I don't think people are whinging that he didn't go outside the club. But if you look at his coaching resume he isn't jumping out as the next must have HC of a NRL team.
3 months interim SGI hc, a couple of years assistant at the cowboys, a/c for Tonga, 1 year defence a/c SGI and now a/c at SOO. Like I said he is gathering the experience but still a long way to go. The NRL discard heap is littered with better credentialed coach's who didnt cut it. Imo a club needs to see positive results from coaching in a lower tier competition before entrusting the club, especially a proud club like SGI to a rookie irrespective of his surname

Not sure I agree with this. Like all sport the game evolves, you do need contemporary coaches. As we've seen over years and years, the ability to man manage is the key to success and longevity.

Coaching a reserve grade team is markedly different to coaching first grade, there is a significant level of difference in professionalism & funding, and in some cases part-time players. The gap between reserve grade and first grade has grown so much in the last 20 years. I agree that previously this was the pathway, but now I definitely don't think it is now. And didn't Hornby and Young win comps with the juniors?

O'Brien, Fitzgibbon, Webster and Ryles are examples of where clubs now see that apprenticeship starting, so to speak - in assistant coaching. Ciraldo was 'promoted' from coaching NYC to being an assistant NRL Coach. I think Hannay and Young are probably no different.

 

[Dragon set in stone.]

This is my view on Ryles. Has never coached even an under-5s team. Stick that up against any of the successful competition coaches. Flanno goes back decades. Maybe Ryles will be great for them, but the fact remains that parra have hired a man with almost no experience to HC at their club. Wierd.

He coached In the Illawarra league at Figtree . The Red devils senior side about 8 or so years ago . I use to see him at Jetts gym when I use to train in my 2010 grand final T- shirt . One big human being that man is.

 

[Dragon David]

It's amusing to watch people whinge about former players not getting experience outside of the club but when someone like Young goes to the Cowboys and now is hired to help with SOO, people still whinge. Poor Dean will never please some people on this forum simply due to his surname.

Yep. I do and then I don't get the angst on the Youngs. They both played great footy for us and won premierships. Young senior has not helped his reputation recently though and has had failings as a coach. Young junior is biding his time and if Flanno can see he has the potential of being a head coach one day then that's a pretty good endorsement. No use bagging the Youngs as in all honesty, they love the Dragons and that counts for something.

I think Deano is a long way off from being a head coach in the NRL.

 

[getsmarty]

As a Player, Dean was one of the toughest... Just ask Wayne Bennett....
Time will tell on the coaching but as @since77 stated he has gone outside the club ala Hornby and Ryles... and that I.M.H.O is a good way to earn your apprenticeship.

P.S Happy for Flanno to keep holding the Reins.

 

[since77]

I don't think people are whinging that he didn't go outside the club. But if you look at his coaching resume he isn't jumping out as the next must have HC of a NRL team.
3 months interim SGI hc, a couple of years assistant at the cowboys, a/c for Tonga, 1 year defence a/c SGI and now a/c at SOO. Like I said he is gathering the experience but still a long way to go. The NRL discard heap is littered with better credentialed coach's who didnt cut it. Imo a club needs to see positive results from coaching in a lower tier competition before entrusting the club, especially a proud club like SGI to a rookie irrespective of his surname

In other words he's got vastly more coaching experience than Jason Ryles, who Parramatta have given a head coaching role to and is touted by all the supposed experts as the next cab off the rank.......

 

[Kolum Kid]

Not sure I agree with this. Like all sport the game evolves, you do need contemporary coaches. As we've seen over years and years, the ability to man manage is the key to success and longevity.

Coaching a reserve grade team is markedly different to coaching first grade, there is a significant level of difference in professionalism & funding, and in some cases part-time players. The gap between reserve grade and first grade has grown so much in the last 20 years. I agree that previously this was the pathway, but now I definitely don't think it is now. And didn't Hornby and Young win comps with the juniors?

O'Brien, Fitzgibbon, Webster and Ryles are examples of where clubs now see that apprenticeship starting, so to speak - in assistant coaching. Ciraldo was 'promoted' from coaching NYC to being an assistant NRL Coach. I think Hannay and Young are probably no different.

You may be right Unsaintly time will tell.
the 5 examples you give all have come from far more successful systems than SGI. I.e Penrith, Storm and Roosters. Ciraldo and Gus seem to be trying to buy a comp, y
Webster is up and down, Obrien struggling imo, Fitzy going OK and Ryle's????
However I hope Flanno continues to bring
Gradual improvement to us so that he will be retained and Deano will need to move on

 

[Hound of Dracula]

In other words he's got vastly more coaching experience than Jason Ryles, who Parramatta have given a head coaching role to and is touted by all the supposed experts as the next cab off the rank.......

I spoke with a couple of Parra fans today and they appear reasonably happy with the 2025 squad Parra have assembled.

Unlike Flanno, Ryles inherited an active recruitment department.

But they are all a little hesitant whether Ryles can gel the team, especially without Gutho.

 

[since77]

I spoke with a couple of Parra fans today and they appear reasonably happy with the 2025 squad Parra have assembled.

Unlike Flanno, Ryles inherited an active recruitment department.

But they are all a little hesitant whether Ryles can gel the team, especially without Gutho.

To be honest I haven't understood a single decision Parra have made since they (rightfully) sacked Arthur.
Didn't understand the Ryles appointment. Didn't understand letting RCG go when they could have tapped worse players on the shoulder. Didn't understand replacing Gutherson with an unproven Penrith NSW cup player. Didn't understand them telling Gutho he won't be captain in '25 and he'll play some weird roving role. Don't understand why they'll take one of the 2024's best wingers and plonk him back in the centres where he's underachieved his whole career. Either they're geniuses or morons. I guess we'll find out next year.

 

[possm]

Not sure I agree with this. Like all sport the game evolves, you do need contemporary coaches. As we've seen over years and years, the ability to man manage is the key to success and longevity.

Coaching a reserve grade team is markedly different to coaching first grade, there is a significant level of difference in professionalism & funding, and in some cases part-time players. The gap between reserve grade and first grade has grown so much in the last 20 years. I agree that previously this was the pathway, but now I definitely don't think it is now. And didn't Hornby and Young win comps with the juniors?

O'Brien, Fitzgibbon, Webster and Ryles are examples of where clubs now see that apprenticeship starting, so to speak - in assistant coaching. Ciraldo was 'promoted' from coaching NYC to being an assistant NRL Coach. I think Hannay and Young are probably no different.

Dean Young has done nothing to earn the head coach job. He should go to the ESL and win a title before being considered for such a role in the NRL. Dean's only claim to fame was as a player for the Dragons and all of the pull that comes from the name YOung at the club.

 

[Unsainty79]

Dean Young has done nothing to earn the head coach job. He should go to the ESL and win a title before being considered for such a role in the NRL. Dean's only claim to fame was as a player for the Dragons and all of the pull that comes from the name YOung at the club.

I never said he had. Other than that going overseas or coaching reserves isn't necessarily the pathway for new coaches anymore.

Despite the fear-mongering and rhetoric of our own fan base, it's pretty clear SF is doing a good job and there is no indication the club want to move him on and replace him with Young - like i've said before, if that's the intention, why didn't they do it before they appointed Griffin or appointed Flanagan?

 

[Slippery Morris]

Watching Ryles play at Saints was annoying as he was a great player but very emotional. Teams would easily bait him and he would blow his stack and get binned way to many times. It will be interesting to see how he goes if Parra go through some bad periods. He may do a Browny and slap a player or 2.

 

[Dragon David]

Watching Ryles play at Saints was annoying as he was a great player but very emotional. Teams would easily bait him and he would blow his stack and get binned way to many times. It will be interesting to see how he goes if Parra go through some bad periods. He may do a Browny and slap a player or 2.

Wait on Slippery. Nathan Brown is part of the support coaching staff for Ryles. He will be there at the Eels to personally give those slaps. Hahaha!

 

[RedVDave]

I think we will play our best footy during the origin period where we will be rid of Dean Youngs influence.

 

[stretch neilsen]

It's amusing to watch people whinge about former players not getting experience outside of the club but when someone like Young goes to the Cowboys and now is hired to help with SOO, people still whinge. Poor Dean will never please some people on this forum simply due to his surname.

100%
DY was not ready when Mary was sacked.
he then went to the Cows to further his education
he then returns as an assistant under a premiership winning coach
now further experience as assistant at SOO level

keep learning your trade.

 

[steerlerbab]

Not sure why people are discussing Dean as a coach while Flanno has 2 more years to run on his contract.
Dean can only become a head coach (in caretaker capacity) if something dramatic happens like
1. Team does not perform and we are heading to wooden spoon
2. Team de stabilization that result in player revolt
3. Season falls apart again as it did this year
I see minute chance of the above happening as we had good recruitment drive and trouble makers are gone and between Gutho and Cook we will have a real leader.

Finally, why would Dean Young or for that matter Ryan Carr would want to become caretaker again. Caretaker coaches rarely get the head coaching job.
Ask Dean, Ryan, Trent Barrett, Mick Potter or Ben Hornby - They all have have done caretaking with us or other clubs and have not got the job. Caretaker coaches are viewed part of the system that failed.
The only caretaker getting head coaching job from recent memory is Benji.

So if I were Dean Young I will wait for Flanno's tenure to finish and lean from a premiership winning coach.

 

[gorilla]

ok for someone who should have had some info on the cowboys our defense was absolutly crap there forwards just run us to the ground ,so was deanno plotting his future ambition to coach the dragons is he a mole trying to rid flanno for his own future or was it we were just crap. mmmmm im not so sure .

Hey, well grounded in reality!
Trumpian

 

[Old Timer]

Maybe D Y was the only one to put his hand up to work with the already failed Gonzo.

 

[hook hook]

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[Old Timer]

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lol look at you pretending to be all subjective on other forums and laying the boot in where no one has called you out for it

What are you babbling on about?

Laying the boot in lol just because I disagree on certain issues is hardly laying the boot in.

Subjective on other forums lol I take it you don’t like Ryles so any posts wishing him well is obviously taboo for you.

 

[justadragon]

Watching Ryles play at Saints was annoying as he was a great player but very emotional. Teams would easily bait him and he would blow his stack and get binned way to many times. It will be interesting to see how he goes if Parra go through some bad periods. He may do a Browny and slap a player or 2.

Browny is there to do it himself.