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Don't question Ashes prep: Sutherland

jargan83

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Cricket Australia CEO James Sutherland has defended Australia's preparation ahead of the opening Commonwealth Bank Ashes Test in Brisbane, claiming the home side is better prepared than England.


Sutherland took part in a panel chat alongside journalist Greg Baum and former Australian Test Captain Greg Chappell at a Melbourne Press Club lunch at the MCG on Wednesday, and hit back at criticism of the timing of Australia's recent One-Day International series in India.

"There weren’t actually a lot of players who are playing in the test team in Brisbane who were actually in India, and at the same time there were a lot of players who were back here playing RYOBI Cup who have been able to play in the first couple of rounds of (Sheffield) Shield cricket and had a really good preparation," said Sutherland.

"We’ve had a lot more cricket than England have over the last couple of months, so don’t tell me we haven’t had a good preparation because England have hardly played."

Sutherland was also vocal in his defence of the KFC Big Bash League, claiming the shortest format of the game is vital to the overall health of the sport, including Test cricket.

"It’s about optimisation because there’s no perfection here," he said. "We agonise over these things all the time."

"I read a lot of comment about how we’ve got it wrong but I don’t read a lot of comment about what the solutions are to the problem or the challenge and that perhaps summarises the point here – that there isn’t a perfect solution.

"But what we’re trying to do is to create a balance and an opportunity."
Chappell, who is the Cricket Australia National Talent Manager, admitted the shortest form of the game can make coaching difficult but believes there's no point looking back.

“I just think we’ve got to suck it up and get on with it. I mean this is what we’ve got, we’ve got to find a way," said Chappell.

"As a coach it’s challenging to come up with ways of trying to develop them to be able to cope with the most demanding time that has ever been for young athletes in cricket.

"They’ve got to be more adaptable physically, mentally, emotionally than ever before.

"I think it’s exciting. The kids that are coming up, they don’t know what it was like fifty years ago, they don’t give a s*** really what it was like fifty years ago.

"This is what they’ve got.

"We’ve got to think about ways that we can make it better for them and help them to survive and prosper in that environment."
In a major boost for Australia's female cricketers, Sutherland also indicated a women's BBL was "on the drawing board", but was unwilling to give a specific timeframe for its implementation.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news-list/2013/11/13/sutherland-dont-question-our-ashes-preparation
 
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TheParraboy

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Someone just shoot Sutherland

Haddin, Watson, Johnson and Faulker (or 33% of the test squad of 12) were over there

Imagine if (and ask yourself would they allow it) England had Pieterson, Prior, Broad and Finn playing in a useless one day series prior the ashes


We knew we were gonna be short of pace bowlers so we send Johnsons over there
We send an ageing wicket keeper who would have been better served staying at home preparing and be mentally fresh for the ashes.
Plus we get our valuable 5th bowling option in Sunshine come back with a hammy and potentially now cant bowl

The sooner this wanker leaves CA the better, cant come soon enough
 

Timbo

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Don't question me? Well stop f**king everything up you idiot and we'll stop asking questions.
 

Twizzle

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Someone just shoot Sutherland

Haddin, Watson, Johnson and Faulker (or 33% of the test squad of 12) were over there

Imagine if (and ask yourself would they allow it) England had Pieterson, Prior, Broad and Finn playing in a useless one day series prior the ashes


We knew we were gonna be short of pace bowlers so we send Johnsons over there
We send an ageing wicket keeper who would have been better served staying at home preparing and be mentally fresh for the ashes.
Plus we get our valuable 5th bowling option in Sunshine come back with a hammy and potentially now cant bowl

The sooner this wanker leaves CA the better, cant come soon enough

not to mention the drink waiters that were over there who could have been playing shield cricket
 

Canard

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Our prep has been horrible and this guy is a dribbler, but he is not quoted "don't question me".

That's typical media BS.
 

hineyrulz

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Don't question him??? I'd prefer we shoot the useless piece of shit instead. He's the single worse thing to happen to Australian cricket since the big 3 retired in 84.
 

madunit

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The preparation is abysmal. Our cricketers nowadays are whored out to any limited overs series/comp that makes the ACB a few bob.
 

TheParraboy

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"We’ve had a lot more cricket than England have over the last couple of months, so don’t tell me we haven’t had a good preparation because England have hardly played."

yeah thanks to the weather dipshit

Is there a link to the article?, I feel obliged to make a comment. I say we all bombard Sutherland
 

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yeah thanks to the weather dipshit

Is there a link to the article?, I feel obliged to make a comment. I say we all bombard Sutherland

try FB, I had plenty to say yesterday but Stuey Clark seems to be defending him, problem is he just spits out a mouthful of cliches
 

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http://au.sports.yahoo.com/cricket/...as-bowling-workloads-a-great-load-of-rubbish/

Former Test quick Jeff Thomson has suggested over-diagnosis from Cricket Australia's medical staff has contributed to the injury crisis in the nation's fast-bowling ranks.

Australia's quick-bowling group is on the verge of breaking point ahead of a busy Ashes campaign that will feature five Tests in just over six weeks.

Peter Siddle, Ryan Harris and Mitchell Johnson will lead the attack in the first Ashes Test in Brisbane, but Australia would be hit hard should one of the trio break down.

James Pattinson, Mitchell Starc, Jackson Bird, Pat Cummins and Josh Hazelwood are all on the injured list, making all-rounder James Faulkner, veteran Ben Hilfenhaus and uncapped pair Ben Cutting and Chad Sayers the likely candidates for selection should injury strike.

A series of long-term injuries to young fast bowlers, particularly back complaints, has hit Australia hard in recent years.

Thomson, who was not immune to injury himself during his 12-year international career, says the increased role of sports science is to blame.

"Do they really have these injuries? Or does somebody do a test on them when they've bowled and say 'your back's hot'," Thomson said in an exclusive interview with Yahoo!7 Sport.

"If they did that to every one of us when we played you'd probably have the same thing. Nobody bothered with it back then, nobody did it so you just went out and bowled. So I think it might be a bit of overkill sometimes."

Cricket Australia carefully manages the workloads of all its fast bowlers in an attempt to prevent injuries caused by over-bowling.

It has led to Harris, Siddle and Johnson being rested from the final round of Sheffield Shield matches before next week's first Test, despite Johnson bowling just 37.4 overs in first-class cricket since March.

Hilfenhaus was also rested from Tasmania's match against Victoria this week.

Thomson says managing workloads is a risky guessing game because all fast bowlers are different.

He suggests Cricket Australia's ever-growing support staff are trying to justify their positions by over-analysing how much fast bowlers play and train.


"I think if you ask the actual players, I think they'd rather play than not play. I think it's somebody else guarding their own little job," Thomson said.

"I think (the medical staff) have too much say. They guess at what they’re doing anyway. I don't care what they say, they guess with a lot of the things they do.

"There's no formula. What works for one bloke isn't going to work for the other in bowling because everyone has a different anatomy, a different pick up, a different action and a different amount of effort they put in.

"There's no rule of thumb so I think it's the greatest load of rubbish anyway. I don’t care what they say."

Siddle defended Cricket Australia's policy during a radio interview on Monday, hitting back at criticism from former Test quicks Glenn McGrath and Geoff Lawson.

The 28-year-old said the high volume of international cricket and overseas travel in the modern era makes rest and rotation essential.

He believes the current cautious approach will benefit Australia's young fast bowlers later in their careers.

"It annoys me a little bit," Siddle told SEN when asked about criticism from former players.

"It was said that (Geoff Lawson's) career lasted ten years and Mitchell Johnson played Geoff Lawson's career in three-and-a-half. So that's a comparison of the games difference and where we're at.

"It is hard and I guess we're blessed in a way to have a young group of bowlers at the moment who one day, hopefully, will become superstars."


Lawson, who is currently the bowling coach for New South Wales, agrees with Thomson that having a blanket rule for all bowlers makes no sense because every player is different.

He added that Cricket Australia's statistics on increased workloads in the modern game are misleading.

"You've got to be careful when you start throwing out stats," Lawson told SEN.

"I think (Siddle) is repeating stats that other people in Cricket Australia are telling him.

"We've done the numbers and when you count the games, the balls and add first-class and club cricket – we never missed a game of that stuff – the balls are about equal.

"Yes, there's more Twenty20. Yes, there's more overseas tours and more travel, and that stresses the players as much as anything.

"But you've got to be careful when you're talking about the guys who did bowl a lot in the 80s and 90s because we did bowl a hell of a lot of cricket balls."
 

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We are the only country that rotates or rests its bowlers, sorry I should say informed player management

We are also the most injured bowlers in world cricket

We are obviously doing something wrong.
 

TheParraboy

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"It annoys me a little bit," Siddle told SEN when asked about criticism from former players.

"It was said that (Geoff Lawson's) career lasted ten years and Mitchell Johnson played Geoff Lawson's career in three-and-a-half. So that's a comparison of the games difference and where we're at

what a load of tripe, Lawson played about 100 more FC games. This is a more telling story

Number of balls bowled in all forms of cricket, Doubt Johnson will go anywhere near this

Johnson 38,405
Lawson 59,525
 
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He's starting to crack up is old Sutherland. Getting very defensive. :lol:

Maybe he does have a soul and it's starting to get to him what his legacy is going to be. At the end of the day pretty much no one gives a shit about what apparently great shape the game is off the field, because on it, it has never been worst.

Your legacy is going to be 5 out of 6 Ashes lost (record 4 in a row) and the man who took the best Cricket system in the world and turned it to shit within 10 years. That's your legacy James, enjoy it.

If there's any justice him and the whole CA board will all get cancer soon enough.
 

jargan83

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James Sutherland is the clown that hired Pat Howard and I found this prargraph while reading an article this morning

Change is difficult and the Argus report has demanded sweeping reform following Australia's previous Ashes defeat at home three years ago.

But few have confidence in the man charged with implementing much of that change, Pat Howard, who holds the newly created position of high performance manager.

The former Wallaby has managed to upset or confuse many of the so called "stakeholders" he is meant to be working with, including players and state coaches and officials.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricke...haunting-england/story-fndpt0dy-1226759306172
 

BunniesMan

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Sutherland is geniused if he thinks there's nothing wrong with a pointless ODI series in India weeks before an Ashes series.
 

RHCP

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We are the only country that rotates or rests its bowlers, sorry I should say informed player management

We are also the most injured bowlers in world cricket

We are obviously doing something wrong.
This x 100000000000

When does this 'informed player management' start working?
 

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