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Dragons $2 million cut from grant

gong_eagle

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Dragons' big grant goes up in smoke

Jacquelin Magnay | September 5, 2007

http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/new...oes-up-in-smoke/2007/09/04/1188783239038.html
ONE of the richest outfits in the NRL, St George Illawarra, has had $2 million cut from its annual leagues club grant.
The Dragons' financial woes are the first of what is expected to be savage cuts to NRL franchises reliant on such grants, as leagues clubs groan under the combined weight of additional pokie taxes, which start this month, and reduced turnover from the smoking bans.
A meeting of NRL chief executives yesterday lobbied for no increase in the NRL salary cap.
"No chief executive wants to increase the cap, because the clubs can't afford it and the central administration can't afford it," St George Illawarra chief executive Peter Doust said.
The Dragons, who have total expenditure of about $12.7million, will have to cut costs across the board to make their forecast budget.
They will have to survive on a $2.5million grant, down from the $4.5million they received last financial year from the St George Leagues Club, and a small contribution from the Steelers Club in Wollongong.
Doust told the meeting of NRL chief executives yesterday that the pokie tax and smoking bans had hit the leagues club hard, resulting in the reduced contribution to rugby league.
It is estimated that the St George Leagues Club, for years known as the Taj Mahal, will pay an extra $6million a year under the new pokie tax laws.
The Bulldogs are expected to be hit hard, too, with their leagues club, Canterbury, facing an extra $11million a year in increased pokie tax.
Parramatta chief executive Denis Fitzgerald said his football club was also in the firing line.
ClubsNSW chief executive David Costello said the 12 NRL-affiliated leagues clubs provided NRL football teams with more than $44million in funding this year, as well as $15million at the junior level, and collectively were facing an increased tax bill of $280million over the next few years.
As well as St George Illawarra, the Bulldogs, Wests Tigers, Manly and Canberra are just some of the other NRL teams whose leagues clubs have reduced their grants recently.
Doust said the Dragons would field only two teams next season - the first-grade outfit and the new national under-20 side - and had declined to enter a team in premier league.
The club is looking at its commitments to junior football, particularly fielding two teams in the representative areas of St George and Illawarra.
"We need to be more cost-effective about the grassroots activities," Doust said.
 

The Preacher

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I just started a thread in the Dragons forum on this Gong. Seems like another Doustism to me. He couldn't lie straight in bed, the bastard, and I for one will not believe him until I see the audited figures.
 

gong_eagle

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The Preacher said:
I just started a thread in the Dragons forum on this Gong. Seems like another Doustism to me. He couldn't lie straight in bed, the bastard, and I for one will not believe him until I see the audited figures.


Trying to show excuses for all the players you have let go
 

j5o6hn

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Cant you people see that the days of poker machines funding are over,the Govt Taxes and the anti smoking has cut the crowds at the clubs, and the Govt has to get taxes somewhere.
They cant tax you so they will bleed the clubs,we will now see the years when the clubs though the Leagues would fund them forever,and ignored building supporter bases and football clubs members,as per AFL
 

_STING_

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When these tax laws start to hit the clubs hard over the next few years, I can certanily see the prospect of future merges between clubs. The Sharks were in trouble a few years back; not sure about now. A Sharks/Dragons/Steelers merger would provide a SUPER Sydney based team. Dogs/Tigers/Maggies maybe. What about Manly/Norths playing out of the Central Coast? ;-)

I wonder if the $8M carrot to merge is still around.
 

The Preacher

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They were aware of the tax percentages they were going to be charged about three years ago and should've budgeted accordingly.
You can't cry about pre-notified taxes scales based on turnover/profit and in the same arguement cry poor about a drop in trade due to the anti-smoking rules.
If the trade had dropped so significantly, there would've been a drop in tax and vica-versa.
You can't have your Crownies and drink them too.
 

BroncoBuck

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This can only be good for the long-term viability of the game. Clubs should be based where the fans are not where rich leagues clubs are. There is no doubt that some Sydney teams need to merge/relocate and the cap shouldn't be restricted to prop up these non-performing clubs.
 

greg

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BroncoBuck said:
This can only be good for the long-term viability of the game. Clubs should be based where the fans are not where rich leagues clubs are. There is no doubt that some Sydney teams need to merge/relocate and the cap shouldn't be restricted to prop up these non-performing clubs.

Here we go again. The second coming of John Ribot.:roll:
 

The Preacher

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BroncoBuck said:
This can only be good for the long-term viability of the game. Clubs should be based where the fans are not where rich leagues clubs are. There is no doubt that some Sydney teams need to merge/relocate and the cap shouldn't be restricted to prop up these non-performing clubs.

Oh, f**k Off, you don't know SH!T !!!
 

Simo

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The Preacher said:
You can't have your Crownies and drink them too.

Putting aside that crownies are average, I dont get this phrase and its many other versions.
Why would you have a beer but drinking it aswell is being greedy? (or why have a cake but not be allowed to eat it).

Can someone explain the logic behind this phrase?

As for the pokie tax, I thought they struck some deal a year or 2 ago and it wasnt as bad anymore?
 

_STING_

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macavity said:
why don't we just merge Rugby League with Lawn Bowls while we are at it...

I wasn't trying to be facetious.
A Sharks/Dragons/Steelers merger has been discussed for years.
5 years down the track it wouldn't surprise me if it came to fruition.
If what Doust says is true, finding that $2M that they have relied on won't be easy and many clubs will feel the same pinch.
I can't see the NRL upping their grant either. Do you think Channel 9 will re-negotiate the contract that they screwed the NRL with to allow more money for the clubs?
 

The Preacher

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Simo said:
Putting aside that crownies are average, I dont get this phrase and its many other versions.
Why would you have a beer but drinking it aswell is being greedy? (or why have a cake but not be allowed to eat it).

Can someone explain the logic behind this phrase?

As for the pokie tax, I thought they struck some deal a year or 2 ago and it wasnt as bad anymore?

Well Simo, if you drink your Crownies, then you haven't got them anymore, have you ???
 

dimitri

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j5o6hn said:
Cant you people see that the days of poker machines funding are over,the Govt Taxes and the anti smoking has cut the crowds at the clubs, and the Govt has to get taxes somewhere.
They cant tax you so they will bleed the clubs,we will now see the years when the clubs though the Leagues would fund them forever,and ignored building supporter bases and football clubs members,as per AFL

I completely agree

Even the Melbourne Victory have 20,000 members!!! So why can't RL clubs?????????
 

Simo

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The Preacher said:
Well Simo, if you drink your Crownies, then you haven't got them anymore, have you ???

But after you drink them you dont need them anymore - your thirst is quenched!

Anyway, doesnt matter, just never fully understood that phrase.
 
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There is no doubt under capitalist labor that clubs will struggle and i would not be suprised if it gets worse.

I have always propsed the following megers and relocations that will need to happen sooner than later.

Merge Parramatta and Penrith- Parramatta Panthers
Merge Wests-Tigers and Bulldogs- Canterbury-Wests Tigers
Merge - St George-Illawarra Dragons and Cronulla- Cronulla St George Illawarra Dragons
Merge Souths and Norths and relocate them to the central coast - Norths Central Coast Rabbitohs

The comp would be

6 Sydney clubs - above 4 plus Manly and Sydney Roosters
7 outside Sydney
1 new club from WA

14 Teams - 2 home and away rounds ( 26 games) and a 8 team final series

get behind it or giddy up gallop and GO!!!!!
 

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