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dragons Vs eels game discussion

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A bad attitude, particularly at the end of a season, comes from bad Coaching at the beginning.

I totally agree BFD. There is still some talent in this team and when they want to have a dig they can produce a result as seen with the Souths game. We have a few blokes that played in our 2010 team bowing out this year. You would think that at the very least they could get motivated, crap coach or not, for the last two games to send these guys out a with a few wins. As Flame Thrower said, Merrin and King were goofing off on the sidelines. That says alot about the team mentality. They just don't care anymore. Pre season should start the first week of the semis for us to maximise the time needed to turn the headspace of this team around.
 

Collateral

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Im on the drink too...

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FlameThrower

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Embarrassing, embarrassing !!

I can't really blame the players........it must be so hard to get up for a game when you have Price as coach.

...I disagree, supposed to be a professional sporting team, it's unheard of to see Dragons players not playing for the Jersey.. for themselves or the supporters... There is no heart left out there and only the fans and members seem to feel any pain.
 

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I'm sorry to say that Vidot had a shocker in defence.

Father Ted and I led the cheer squad in Vidot's darkest moments at Kogarah, but I found it hard to accept his woeful defensive reads on the wing, resulting in us conceding two tries.

He kept running in, even though the man was covered. Some sort of reflex action, forgetting that there was no one else outside of him.. and leaving an unmarked winger a clear run to the line. We all saw it.

Backline defence 101, I thought.

It was almost like Vidot thought he was a second rower...
 

Father Ted

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I'm sorry to say that Vidot had a shocker in defence.

Father Ted and I led the cheer squad in Vidot's darkest moments at Kogarah, but I found it hard to accept his woeful defensive reads on the wing, resulting in us conceding two tries.

He kept running in, even though the man was covered. Some sort of reflex action, forgetting that there was no one else outside of him.. and leaving an unmarked winger a clear run to the line. We all saw it.

Backline defence 101, I thought.

It was almost like Vidot thought he was a second rower...

He's a second rower or nothing imo ..
 

blacksafake

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I too have emailed the club & I would suggest we all do so as to bombard doust's inbox.I have followed this club for over 46 yrs & without doubt this is the worst side.To think that they have not put in is a disgrace & shows a real lack of pride in themselves as well as the club.I heard price on MMM saying that they will have to work on their defence Hello their defence has been like this all F👎cking season.As we all know defence comes from attitude & this 1/2 Wit still can't see that. Exit 👉 that way you moron.:x
 

Father Ted

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He can't defend on the wing. How do you expect him to defend in the second row?

Because he will have a guy each side of him saying things that make a Lady of the night blush if he misreads.. He was'nt alone tonight who out there made us proud?
 

R&WTILLIDIE

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Because he will have a guy each side of him saying things that make a Lady of the night blush if he misreads.. He was'nt alone tonight who out there made us proud?

Hmmm...from what I can see. The guys on each side of him probably have no idea either and they'll make a bad player look even worse
 

Willow

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He can't defend on the wing. How do you expect him to defend in the second row?
lol. Pretty sure you already know the answer to that one mate. It was an understatement to say that second rowers and outside backs are coached very differently.

Father covered it well. Mine was a take on how Vidot was coming in, as if he was closer to the ruck. A training habit perhaps.
 
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watatank

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Because he will have a guy each side of him saying things that make a Lady of the night blush if he misreads.. He was'nt alone tonight who out there made us proud?

That's really only true if he defends in the middle of the field but he'd never defend there because he doesn't have the fitness/concentration. If he was defending on the edge, different story. He's the fourth man in and he controls whether the edge defence slides or stays put and that requires a lot of decision making. Frizell's inability to read the attack cost us a number of times and lost him a starting spot for a while, I doubt Vidot would be any better.

Besides, I don't even think Vidot can tackle well enough to justify such a move.

People have hope for Vidot because he's big and fast but he has nothing else, no smarts whatsoever. It looks to me his only position is wing but even then he runs upright and inconsistent under the high ball.
 

Father Ted

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That's really only true if he defends in the middle of the field but he'd never defend there because he doesn't have the fitness/concentration. If he was defending on the edge, different story. He's the fourth man in and he controls whether the edge defence slides or stays put and that requires a lot of decision making. Frizell's inability to read the attack cost us a number of times and lost him a starting spot for a while, I doubt Vidot would be any better.

Besides, I don't even think Vidot can tackle well enough to justify such a move.

People have hope for Vidot because he's big and fast but he has nothing else, no smarts whatsoever. It looks to me his only position is wing but even then he runs upright and inconsistent under the high ball.

As we have good wingers what should we do with him?
 

natheel

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Crazy how quick things fall

Eels 2009 grand final runners up
Dragons 2010 premiers

Both 15th and 16th respectively

Glad we got a win and bad luck on a tough year guys. Got some good guys coming in like us. Unfortunately you guys need to get rid of price.

Won't be long till the NRL is right again and eels and dragons are top 8 sides
 
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I'm sorry to say that Vidot had a shocker in defence.

Father Ted and I led the cheer squad in Vidot's darkest moments at Kogarah, but I found it hard to accept his woeful defensive reads on the wing, resulting in us conceding two tries.

He kept running in, even though the man was covered. Some sort of reflex action, forgetting that there was no one else outside of him.. and leaving an unmarked winger a clear run to the line. We all saw it.

Backline defence 101, I thought.

It was almost like Vidot thought he was a second rower...

Mr Skinner who coached Gladesville Bowling and Sports U/14s in 1978 said to me as a winger ...always stay with your man. That doesn't happen anymore with compressed and sliding defence.

Not that the Vidot miss tonight was much to do with any of that, but both commentators agreed that the marker moving infield (forget who it was) caused both outside defenders to slide in. It was either Quinlan, or Drinky or Fien I was the other. And I would not be surprised if Vidot was instructed to alway stay close alongside the small-man half to assist him.

Agree however, Vidot has further improvement necessary to make on his defence, but I think that is more about reading it properly then effecting a tackle.

I think he should stay in 2nd row and get a fair go there. He hasn't had that especially when compared to the fair go others get in foreign positions. He (Vidot) is clearly not the sharpest chisel in the box, but he has got strength and mongrel. And we all complain that we are missing mongrel in the side. It just Needs to be appropriately developed, and the mongrel encouraged by the coach.

Oh wait... the coach ...oh forget it.
 

Willow

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Mr Skinner who coached Gladesville Bowling and Sports U/14s in 1978 said to me as a winger ...always stay with your man. That doesn't happen anymore with compressed and sliding defence.

Not that the Vidot miss tonight was much to do with any of that, but both commentators agreed that the marker moving infield (forget who it was) caused both outside defenders to slide in. It was either Quinlan, or Drinky or Fien I was the other. And I would not be surprised if Vidot was instructed to alway stay close alongside the small-man half to assist him.

Agree however, Vidot has further improvement necessary to make on his defence, but I think that is more about reading it properly then effecting a tackle.

I think he should stay in 2nd row and get a fair go there. He hasn't had that especially when compared to the fair go others get in foreign positions. He (Vidot) is clearly not the sharpest chisel in the box, but he has got strength and mongrel. And we all complain that we are missing mongrel in the side. It just Needs to be appropriately developed, and the mongrel encouraged by the coach.

Oh wait... the coach ...oh forget it.
I'm a firm believer in defensive lapses normally originating closer to the ruck. But in both instances, I saw Vidot coming in on a player who was already covered. Two tries were conceded in this manner.

I was spared the commentators prattle, so I'm only going on my own bar room observations - for what that is worth.
 

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