Dutch players in Britain or France eligible to play for Holland

[AlbertRosenfeld]

Which players in Britain are eligible to play for Holland?

What about Jace van Dijk of the Celtic Crusaders?

What about Van Snick of Villeneuve, who played for France in 2004 but was not in the squad in 2005?

This man, Tim Jonkers, is eligible to play for the Netherlands. He is the most impressive Dutch eligible player in the world. Will Salford, for whom he is contracted, allow him to play? Does he have a brother who also plays?



Tim Jonkers

25. Tim Jonkers (Second Row) D.O.B. 03/07/81

Sponsored by JJ Welding Dutch born. Originally signed on loan to bolster Salford’s Super League survival bid in 2004 Tim is a former St Helens forward. A regular in the Saints pack from his debut in 1999 Tim made a century of appearances for them at Super League Level. A product of the Blackbrook A.R.L. Club he turned professional at Knowsley Road in July 1998.

 

[BatiFan]

There are a number of players here in OZ who play in the junior ranks of NRL teams with Dutch sounding names. There also seems to be a number of players that are eligible for other European nations such as Germany, Greece, Italy, Malta, Portugal, Serbia etc. The thing is getting in contact with these players and then convincing them that playing for these new nations is not going to harm their representative ambitions for Australia if they are good enough to consider that as a possibility in their future.

There is a player formerly of the Newcastle Knights, Blake Mueller, who now plays with Limoux in France who I know Der Kaiser has been in contact with. Hopefully he will be released by Limoux for Germany's games this season. Anthony Seibold from Celtic Crusaders is another one who would be in line to play for the German's this season.

Sorry to get away from the Dutch players. Surely there woud be plenty here in OZ though.

 

[disco1]

Picking players just because of their surname is just plain silly, Jace is an Aussie for starters.

Thats like picking anyone with a 'ski' or 'wicz' at the end of their names to play for Poland!!!

 

[The Observer]

Canberra Raiders centre Jermaine Ale's mother is Dutch.

 

[YANTO]

Canberra Raiders centre Jermaine Ale's mother is Dutch.

Already played for Tonga I believe.we did contact canbera last year.

 

[YANTO]

Picking players just because of their surname is just plain silly, Jace is an Aussie for starters.

Thats like picking anyone with a 'ski' or 'wicz' at the end of their names to play for Poland!!!

If Jace has Dutch parents or grandparents he is eligable for the Netherlands.
Little different than the new Sydney nations.......

We have identified six proffesional players in the Uk and all (apart from jace van Dijk) were either born in Holland,have one dutch Parent or are dutch passport holders.

 

[YANTO]

Which players in Britain are eligible to play for Holland?

What about Jace van Dijk of the Celtic Crusaders?

What about Van Snick of Villeneuve, who played for France in 2004 but was not in the squad in 2005?

This man, Tim Jonkers, is eligible to play for the Netherlands. He is the most impressive Dutch eligible player in the world. Will Salford, for whom he is contracted, allow him to play? Does he have a brother who also plays?



Tim Jonkers

25. Tim Jonkers (Second Row) D.O.B. 03/07/81

Sponsored by JJ Welding Dutch born. Originally signed on loan to bolster Salford’s Super League survival bid in 2004 Tim is a former St Helens forward. A regular in the Saints pack from his debut in 1999 Tim made a century of appearances for them at Super League Level. A product of the Blackbrook A.R.L. Club he turned professional at Knowsley Road in July 1998.

Tim who was born and raised in Amsterdam and has a Ducth passport (not a british one ) was a great support when we had a fund raiser in St Helens last year.
Even though he has represented Ireland on the grandparent rule Tim is eligable for the Dutch due to the fact that when he played for Ireland there was no league in his country of birth.
If Salford release him (or if the guy wants to play for Holland) is something we are working on at the moment.
As for his brother Martijn (also born and raised in Amsterdam,Dutch passport and speaks the language) he is currently captain of the national team and is 100% Dutch.
Is also the development Offcier for Holland working in the Uk and does a lot of fund raising.
Here is the big lad lifting last years Rotterdam cup

 

[AlbertRosenfeld]

I would think that Holland needs Tim Jonkers and a few other professionals (a half/five eighth and a centre and more forwards) if they are to have any chance of qualifying for the 2008 World Cup.

But I would also hope that Holland have a serious domestic competition too, even if only amateur, so it is not a sham national team.

You can inspire others, including rugby union players, to play rugby league in Holland if you have a top quality player like Tim Jonkers in your national team. But you would need several other active professional players to make it work.

 

[YANTO]

I would think that Holland needs Tim Jonkers and a few other professionals (a half/five eighth and a centre and more forwards) if they are to have any chance of qualifying for the 2008 World Cup.

But I would also hope that Holland have a serious domestic competition too, even if only amateur, so it is not a sham national team.

You can inspire others, including rugby union players, to play rugby league in Holland if you have a top quality player like Tim Jonkers in your national team. But you would need several other active professional players to make it work.

I DONT THINK WE ARE A SHAM.
90% of our national team were either born in Holland or have a parent who is Dutch.
I can think of a lot more nations that are more of a SHAM than the Dutch.
When the senoirs are in Georgia for the Euro nations "B" game an amatuer side will be playing a touring team in Holland.
Two years ago that would have been unthinkable.

WERE WALES A "SHAM" international team that reached the semi final of the last world cup WITH NO DOMESTIC competition after OVER 100 YEARS OF TRYING????

The national team encourages people and sets targets but our real aim is to get our own players at a very young age.
Hence the under 11's games this year.
IMO the idea of trying to convert SENIOR union players is not the way to go.
If you coached a kid from 8 years old and then at 20 a RU team was set up and he changed codes boy would you be pi**ed off.

posted on another thread

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=131812&page=3&pp=15

 

[Mr_Ugly]

If I recall correctly (Yanto will no doubt correct me if I am wrong), the Dutch have a 10 yearish plan to start with under 11s, and intend to add a new age group each year as these kids work their way through. Such long-term planning is apparently rare in rugby league, and I think as a sport that we have suffered for that. I would imagine that NNRLB will also continue their seniors work during this time.

As Yanto mentioned on another thread, although they do not have an organised seniors league, they do have club sides playing rugby league matches, and host the annual Rotterdam nines and associated 13 a side matches. Their national side comprises almost exclusively Dutch nationals, and if they have access to a number of experienced and talented players that qualify via parentage, who can add experience, depth and/or a professional playing background and attitude to the team, then that's a fantastic resource that they should exploit to full advantage. As for Dutch nationals such as the Jonkers, there can be no question about the legitimacy of fielding them.

Of course the Dutch are not as far advanced in terms of developing the game as say France or the home nations, but they have only been going a few years, and it seems to me that they have made tremendous progress in that time.

Albert, if the Dutch gave up on domestic development tomorrow, and ran a purely heritage side out of the UK, then I could understand why people may label them a "sham". This is very far from the case however, and I for one am both very impressed and very grateful for the efforts of the Dutch, German, Serbian etc. leagues.

I think that we as fans of the international game should be doing everything we can to encourage and where possible assist development in the emerging nations. In general, these leagues operate due to the enthusiasm, efforts and in may cases finances, of only a few individuals. If these people lose interest, the whole thing can fall over quite easily. As such, I think we should be very careful not to criticise, or make comments that could be interperted as crisicism, in situations where this is clearly not warranted.

 

[screeny]

If the other developing nations don't follow suit the reality of the situation is that they'll come a cropper in the WC qualifiers. Georgia and Russia, for example, for all their recent successes, will be massacred by teams who have recruited, say, 6-8 experienced leaguie pro's.

Serbia and Holland need to be congratulated, IMO, for being thorough in their preparation. The rules are the rules and they'd be idiots to complacently settle for players who only play in Serbia and who were only born in Serbia and who only live in Serbia. For that matter, if they've ever left Serbia for more than a week they should be barred too!!!

 

[Weasels Ripped My Flesh]

Any player with 'Van' or 'Van Der' in their surname should be eligible.

 

[AlbertRosenfeld]

I seem to have hit a sensitive nerve.

I was not intending to criticise anyone on this board. I was only making a point about the need to have a domestic competition and have at least six local players in a national side, to qualify for international Test or World Cup status. Those criteria were applied to Wales last year and they should apply to everyone.

If the nation has no domestic competition, then the national team can not have a legitimate claim to be representing rugby league in that country. So yes, Wales was a sham national team when it competed in the 2000 World Cup. Rugby league was not being played on a competitive basis in Wales. Now Wales has set up a domestic competition, and its representative national team will have at least six domestic players, so it no longer offers a sham national team. I was urging the same efforts to be pursued by Holland. I was not describing the efforts of Dutch organisers as sham efforts, only the status of any national team that had no domestic competion as its base.

I wish the Dutch organisers well in their efforts, especially in trying to develop the youth level of the game. That approach is sadly missing or at least given little emphasis in other developing nations. But I hope that a regular adult competition will be forthcoming soon, as exists in some other important developing nations, so Holland will have a chance to develop fully as a serious rugby league playing nation sooner rather than later.

 

[YANTO]

I seem to have hit a sensitive nerve.

I was not intending to criticise anyone on this board. I was only making a point about the need to have a domestic competition and have at least six local players in a national side, to qualify for international Test or World Cup status. Those criteria were applied to Wales last year and they should apply to everyone.

If the nation has no domestic competition, then the national team can not have a legitimate claim to be representing rugby league in that country. So yes, Wales was a sham national team when it competed in the 2000 World Cup. Rugby league was not being played on a competitive basis in Wales. Now Wales has set up a domestic competition, and its representative national team will have at least six domestic players, so it no longer offers a sham national team. I was urging the same efforts to be pursued by Holland. I was not describing the efforts of Dutch organisers as sham efforts, only the status of any national team that had no domestic competion as its base.

I wish the Dutch organisers well in their efforts, especially in trying to develop the youth level of the game. That approach is sadly missing or at least given little emphasis in other developing nations. But I hope that a regular adult competition will be forthcoming soon, as exists in some other important developing nations, so Holland will have a chance to develop fully as a serious rugby league playing nation sooner rather than later.

Time my son time....
The boom of "International" League over the last two years seems to have everyone expecting top class football to be just around the corner.This is never going to happen.

In Holland we are working to get a domestic competition up and running but unless you are on the ground you just do not realise the obstacles placed in front of you, everything from goverments,field availability to administraters and volunteers.

One example I gave at the RLEF to the Welsh ,Scots and Irish was.
"How long would it take you to set up an International and domestic competition playing KORFBALL??"
The reply "What the F**k is Korfball"**

That is the same senario we (and many other new european nations) face as RL is totaly UNKOWN in these regions and we have to work hard to introduce an alien sport into the society.
After just three years the feeling is that despite no media coverage of the game (papers or TV ) what soever the name of Rugby league is slowly getting around.

There is a meeting on march 15th where we hope to push the domestic scene further.
in the mean time two tourning teams will face 100% dutch players in april and may and the under 11's tour by Wigan St Pats is vital to our development.

Regarding the 6 home players the Dutch have
Ronald van den Broek (Haagsche RC) who has played 6 internationals and every tour game.
Dirk Scut (RC Rotterdam ) 3 Internationals.
Jorik Moree (RC Rotterdam) 6
Rudy Stanford Smyth (Sparta) 6
Johnny Qua (RC Rotterdam) 6
Duncan van Dam (RC Rotterdam) 4
Julien Treu (RC Rotterdam) 4
Daan Kloppenberg (RC Hoek van Holland) 1
Jamie Groeneweg (RC Hoek van Holland) 1
Roald van de Tempel (Hoek van Holland) 1
Raymond den Engelsman (Hoek van Holland) 1
Duncan Jansen (Hoek van Holland) 1
Marvin Slingerland (RC Rotterdam) 1
Erik Isreal (Hoek van Holland ) 2
Cyril brienberg (RC Roosendaal) 2
Reiner Breinberg (Delft Studenten) 2

Plus others.

In 2006 the NNRLB will be running a senior team (including our UK/Aussie/Kiwi based players) for the WC/Euro nations games and a Nederland Tasmin* team which will be 100% Dutch based players who will play in Nines tournaments and other International games like the ones against Germany and Czech republic in August.

* named the Tasmin after explorer Abel Tasmin who discovered Australia,tasmania and New Zealand for the Dutch but failed to stake a claim and the Brits took them
New Zealand is named after the dutch island/province of Zealand.Tasmania after Abel Tasmin.
We even had New Amsterdam until Peter Stuyvesent sold it to the Brits who re named it New York............

** Korfball is a game that is very very big in Holland and a bit of a cross between netball and Basket ball.
the beut about it is the teams are mixed with guys and gals playing in the same team and (so Im told) using the same changing/shower facilaties :roll:

The game even has an International website (erm something we are still lacking) http://www.korfball.com/

 

[Ari Gold]

I want to play korfball!

 

[supercoach]

Nathan Meischke of London Skolars is eligible for Holland. He plays Half/Five-Eighth and is in fine form so far this season.

Alex Smits has gone back to New Zealand but will still be keen to play, both of his parents are Dutch.

Holland could have a decent line-up if all these players come together.

 

[YANTO]

Nathan Meischke of London Skolars is eligible for Holland. He plays Half/Five-Eighth and is in fine form so far this season.

Alex Smits has gone back to New Zealand but will still be keen to play, both of his parents are Dutch.

Holland could have a decent line-up if all these players come together.

Nathan made his debut in Belgrade last year and Alex was captain.
We are hoping that Alex can be brought over for the games as he is one proud guy.

Another Skolar has also been approached (Dutch mother) and is keen to pull on the national shirt.
All depends on the club releasing the guys.

 

[Mr_Ugly]

Yanto, I am watching the Bulldogs - Tigers game at the moment. There is a dogs player called Jon Green, and the commentators were talking about how both of his parents live in Amsterdam.

Might be worth looking in to.

 

[Der Kaiser]

myself and Yanto know his Parents as his das Eric works in Amsterdam for Hitachi. His Mum was involved at Cronulla recently looking and housing the youngsters there. they came to the Rotterdam 9s last year. Great couple

 

[YANTO]

Yanto, I am watching the Bulldogs - Tigers game at the moment. There is a dogs player called Jon Green, and the commentators were talking about how both of his parents live in Amsterdam.

Might be worth looking in to.

100% Aussie from Perth.
Nice info though.