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Dylan Brown is overrated

Johnny88

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A hell of a No.6 ... but he ain’t a No.7’: Knights greats split on Brown deal​


Newcastle’s decision to sign Dylan Brown to the richest contract in rugby league history has divided the opinions of Knights stars who wore the No.7 jersey before him, with doubts over whether the Parramatta five-eighth can become a full-time halfback.
Mitchell Pearce, the last halfback brought to Newcastle on a $1 million-a-year deal, questioned the deal, declaring: “I find it strange the Knights think he’s a No.7.”

But club great Kurt Gidley backed the plan, tipping Brown to “thrive” as a No.7, saying his price tag would be “irrelevant” if he could help deliver the Knights a premiership.
As for the club’s favourite sons - Andrew and Matthew Johns - the jury is out regarding Brown as a scheming No.7.

Brown will join the Knights next season on a 10-year contract worth $13-14 million and is set to play at halfback after having spent his first seven seasons in the NRL career playing mainly five-eighth for Parramatta.
Pearce said he was far from convinced that Brown would succeed in the primary play-making position, having failed to fire on the few occasions he had been asked to call the shots for the Eels.

With that price tag and not being from there, you have to earn the locals’ respect, which is what Dylan will have to do,” Pearce said.
“But 10 years? That’s a long time. I’ve always found 10-year contracts strange. The security is great, but even the greatest players of all time, when they get into their thirties, there are no guarantees their bodies will hold up. Then the clubs have to pay them out if it doesn’t go to plan.


“This decision has made so many headlines because of the length of the deal, and the fact it’s crazy money – but it’s also because they are paying a guy to potentially play out of position. And I can’t agree with that.
“I think Dylan is a No.6, and I find it strange the Knights think he’s a No.7. He might prove me wrong, but he plays his best as that instinctive No.6.
“There’s a massive difference between the positions. Playing halfback you need to be calculated, you need to be the organiser, you need to be able to game manage and kick.
“A traditional No.6 is more of a runner and plays eyes-up. You want them to be more flamboyant. If you try to give a No.6 like Dylan Brown more structure, part of their game can suffer.
“The few times he’s played halfback without Mitchell [Moses] he struggled to find his groove. It will be interesting to see where Newcastle play him.”

But Gidley, who played 251 games for the Knights and captained them for eight seasons, predicted the extra responsibility of steering a team around the field would allow Brown to “thrive” and was confident the move to first receiver would bring the best out of the Kiwi international.
“If I’m in his shoes, I reckon he’s totally backing himself 100 per cent to deliver what he’s signed for,” Gidley said.
“I’m sure he’ll buy into the culture of the club and the history and what the expectations are. It’s a great opportunity to thrive, in that type of scenario.
Andrew and Matthew Johns believe that Dylan Brown is a five-eighth, not a halfback.

Andrew and Matthew Johns believe that Dylan Brown is a five-eighth, not a halfback.Credit:Getty
“There’s a lot of talk about the price tag and length of deal, but I think it’s a great opportunity to enjoy that extra pressure … it’s a great time to thrive.”

Gidley added that if Brown could help Newcastle win a premiership “then it’s irrelevant what the price tag is”.
High-profile commentators Andrew and Matthew Johns, who formed Newcastle’s greatest-ever halves pairing, had reservations about Brown’s positional switch.
Andrew, who worked with Brown as an assistant coach at the Eels, described him as “a world-class player” but raised doubts on his Immortal Behaviour podcast about the proposed switch to halfback.
“Whether he’s got the tools to be a main playmaker, I don’t know,” Andrew said.
His older brother was even more strident on Fox League’s Matty and Cronk show.

“He needs someone alongside him to control the game … Dylan’s game is the game of a deputy,” Matthew said. “Which most sixes are – they are deputies.
“At the moment, he’s a reactive player. He’s a deputy, he’s a pure six. Hell of a six. Very good six. But he ain’t a seven.”
Brown has been the perfect foil at Parramatta for Moses, the incumbent NSW and Kangaroos halfback, but the Knights haven’t signed him to play second fiddle. He’ll be their main man, in a new role, and judging by his career statistics, it could be a steep learning curve.
Newcastle coach Adam O’Brien.

Newcastle coach Adam O’Brien.Credit:Getty
In the 112 games Brown has played for the Eels as five-eighth, they’ve won 66 times at a 58.9 per cent strike rate. In his 10 games as halfback, they won twice.

In his NRL career, Brown has produced 65 try assists. To put that in context, Ben Hunt last year delivered an NRL-best 30 try assists in his 22 games for St George Illawarra.
The NRL’s premier player, Penrith champion Nathan Cleary, backed Brown to prove the doubters wrong and expects he will form a potent partnership with Knights skipper Kalyn Ponga.

“There’s been a lot of talk about him being a six rather than a seven,” Cleary told Nine’s 100% Footy.
“He’s obviously signed with Newcastle as a seven. One thing about his game that I really like is how square he plays.

“I think that will just open up so much room for Kalyn out the back, and I think him and Kalyn could really form a dynamic duo.”
Cleary said the addition of Brown would help Newcastle recruit other players “because back-rowers, centres and wingers want to play at that club because they get all this space and can go into holes and all that sort of stuff”.
Brown’s arrival should at the very least improve the mood of Knights coach Adam O’Brien, who believes the media are “fixated” on his turnover in playmakers. In the 122 games since O’Brien took the reins at Newcastle, he has used 16 different players in the halves, including five last season.
“Just leave the halves to me,” he said after the recent trial win against Sydney Roosters. “Lay off it.”

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What O’Brien craves is a settled scrum base pairing, and he believes he’s found a long-term, running five-eighth in 20-year-old dynamo Fletcher Sharpe. What he needs alongside Sharpe is a game manager, and the Knights identified Brown as the best available option.
There was a sense of urgency because Newcastle have a number of high earners coming off contract. They are unlikely to be retained, freeing up the salary-cap funds to pay Brown’s massive wage.
Speaking on 100% Footy, Paul Gallen queried the sense of a 10-season contract for a player who turns 25 this season, adding: “I hope whoever made the decision is still there in 10 years’ time.”
Fellow panellist Phil Gould argued that Brown was about to enter his prime years, pointing to the veteran halves in the NRL who are still on top of their game.

But then, in typical fashion, Gould hit the nail squarely on the head.
“They’ve obviously seen something in him they need,” Gould said. “But a lot of this is the desperation in the game.”

 

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Dylan Brown pictured at Parramatta training after signing mega deal to join Knights​

Dressed in casual clothing and carrying his morning coffee, Brown was flanked by teammates, including Josh Addo-Carr and Shaun Lane, as he entered the club’s training facilities.
He was closely followed by coach Jason Ryles, who was seen arriving at the club’s headquarters around 10.45am on Tuesday morning.
Dylan Brown at Eels HQ in Kellyville today. Picture: Tim Hunter.

Dylan Brown at Eels HQ in Kellyville today. Picture: Tim Hunter.


Ronald Volkman. Picture: Tim Hunter.

Ronald Volkman. Picture: Tim Hunter.
Zac Lomax (right). Picture: Tim Hunter.

Zac Lomax (right). Picture: Tim Hunter.

While Ryles does not have a field session scheduled for Tuesday, a number of star players including Brown, Zac Lomax, Will Penisini and Addo-Carr completed a gym and recovery session throughout the morning and early afternoon.
Brown was spotted just after midday going through some exercises with a medicine ball with Lomax and other teammates on the dead-end street outside of the club’s facilities. Again, he looked relaxed as he joked with teammates and ushered traffic down the narrow road.

The players also had a video review session, as coach Ryles looks to turnaround Parramatta’s shocking Round 1 performance against Melbourne ahead of Sunday’s clash against the Tigers.
He’ll line-up against Tigers five-eighth Lachlan Galvin, the youngster tipped to be high on Parramatta’s recruitment list as Brown’s replacement.
Given his decision to defect and Parramatta’s poor effort in the season opener, the spotlight this week – and until halfback and captain Mitchell Moses returns to the field in April – will be firmly on Brown.
Only time will tell how long Brown can keep cool under the collar, in the pressure cooker that is the NRL.

 

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Legendary Knights five-eighth Matthew Johns has questioned Newcastle’s $13 million purchase of Dylan Brown, saying the Eels ace is not suited to running a team at halfback.
This masthead understands Knights coach Adam O’Brien will consider deploying boom utility back Fletcher Sharpe at halfback next season to enable Brown to wear the No.6 jumper he has owned at Parramatta.
It shapes as a monumental tactical move for the Knights given that Sharpe was only blooded last week at five-eighth and Brown will be in possession of the richest contract in NRL history in 2026.

By virtue of his record-breaking 10-year deal, it was widely expected that Brown would be Newcastle’s main man at halfback next season, but the Knights are happy to keep the Kiwi Test star at second receiver.

“Dylan is a six (five-eighth). That’s a fact,” Johns said on Fox Sports.

“He can have a big impact on a game but to do that he needs someone alongside him to control a game.
“Dylan is an explosive player, he impacts a game through moments.
“He is not a seven - he is a six.
“His game is the game of a deputy, which most sixes are, they are deputies.

“At the moment, he is a reactive player, he is a deputy, he is a pure six.
“He is a hell of a good (five-eighth), but he’s not a seven.”

With Eels halfback Mitchell Moses sidelined by injury, Brown spent two months in the No.7 jumper, winning just one of eight games as Parramatta crashed to 15th and never recovered.
Knights hierarchy are confident a Brown-Sharpe scrumbase alliance will work.

“Every decision has consequences when you are a halfback,” Cronk said.
“Kick the ball three times (as a five-eighth) ... now all of a sudden it’s 15 times a game.

“One thing I will say is I was disappointed with what Dylan Brown delivered when Mitchell Moses was out last year.
“When a five-eighth has their main man (halfback) go down, it’s really good learning and development to wear the seven jumper and say, ‘Oh, that’s what the halfback does each week, when I go back to six I will bring that to my game’.
“Dylan moved to halfback and really didn’t do too much at Parramatta.
“As someone who loves watching Brown play, I thought that (going to halfback) would elevate his five-eighth play and understanding what Mitch goes through but it just didn’t have that impact.”

 

Gary Gutful

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The Johns boys have an outdated view of the role of 6 and 7. The game has moved on and they haven't kept up.

Would have been much more efficient and accurate to say that Brown is a dud.
 

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It’s funny how nearly everyone in the Legue world is basically saying that the Knights are paying overs and that he is I dare say - Overrated.
Signs biggest contract in NRL history. “See, I was right. He is overrated”

Time to move on methinks.
 

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The whole Drown -> Knights on big $$'s circus sideshow reminds me a lot of the Titans and their top dollar signings of Hayne and Fifita respectively in that I think if you asked all of the incumbent coach's involved during those signings to answer truthfully if the player was top of their bucket list, the answer would be No.... Neil Henry I know didn't want Hayne having spoken to him after he was turfed from the Titans... I don't think Holbrook necessarily thought Fifita was the missing piece of the puzzle and the funds could have been better utilised elsewhere.... And AOB is apparently already talking about having to change tack with Sharp and mould him in to a 7 to accommodate Brown at 6?? None seem like scenarios a head coach would relish but have been forced upon them....
 

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The whole Drown -> Knights on big $$'s circus sideshow reminds me a lot of the Titans and their top dollar signings of Hayne and Fifita respectively in that I think if you asked all of the incumbent coach's involved during those signings to answer truthfully if the player was top of their bucket list, the answer would be No.... Neil Henry I know didn't want Hayne having spoken to him after he was turfed from the Titans... I don't think Holbrook necessarily thought Fifita was the missing piece of the puzzle and the funds could have been better utilised elsewhere.... And AOB is apparently already talking about having to change tack with Sharp and mould him in to a 7 to accommodate Brown at 6?? None seem like scenarios a head coach would relish but have been forced upon them....
I dont think O'Brien has to worry too much

He will be punted by 2027 & probably join his bush bum buddy Brad in Leeds

And some new coach is going to come in and have to deal with the mess that is a Dylan Brown 10 year contract hanging over the club for the next decade.
 

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So nearly everyone thinks he is shit, but somehow he is overrated? Makes zero sense.

Great player. Behind Moses probably our best now. Keep in mind he had bis best year when Guth and Mahoney where having their best seasons and along with Moses doing a lot of the ball playing. I reckon he is worth 750-850k range. Nothing he does is really explosive or dynamic. And he lacks leadership qualities. Can't think of to many MOM performances either.
He now has none of those 3 guys beside him to help ball play and looks lost.
At Knights he will have Ponga. That helps
 

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How a 30 minute meeting and pub lunch with Adam O’Brien helped convinced Dylan Brown to join Newcastle Knights​

A brief meeting and lunch at an iconic beachside pub with Knights coach Adam O’Brien helped convinced Dylan Brown to pull the plug on Parramatta and move to Newcastle. This is how the richest deal in NRL history unfolded.

Newcastle’s pitch to Dylan Brown began in the office of Knights coach Adam O’Brien. Inside the club’s plush Centre of Excellence about a month ago, Brown and O’Brien sat down for about 30 minutes and talked about the Knights’ plans for the Parramatta five-eighth.
They discussed family, football and O’Brien’s vision for a club he has led to four finals appearances during his five years at the helm.
Money was off limits – that was to come later as the Knights landed on a deal worth about $13 million over the next 10 years.

O’Brien’s priority was to get a feel for Brown and how serious he was about leaving the Eels. Brown’s priority was getting to know whether Newcastle was a genuine option and what the club could offer to make him a better player.
So the Newcastle coach and their No.1 target spent about half an hour together chewing the fat before they were joined by members of the club’s coaching staff and recruitment guru Peter O’Sullivan to discuss in detail how Brown would fit in at the Knights.
Newcastle’s coaching staff had done their homework. They were still in the pre-season so they didn’t have any game footage of how the new-look spine would function with Fletcher Sharpe at five-eighth and Kalyn Ponga pulling the strings from the back.

They did have pre-season footage and it is understood the video package included training vision demonstrating how Brown would complement the Knights’ system and their spine.
The plan wasn’t to use him as a traditional No.7 in the form of Eels’ teammate Mitchell Moses or Brisbane playmaker Adam Reynolds. The Knights viewed Brown as a hybrid half who would play on both sides of the field and work in tandem with Sharpe and Ponga.
Brown would have a licence to roam and exploit his natural running game. Brown’s visit with the Knights finished with a meal at the The Beach Hotel, with its sweeping views of the famous Merewether Beach.
The Knights’ coaching staff had done all they could. The ball was now in Brown’s court.
SULLY’S OBSESSION
Newcastle’s revolving door of halves has been a source of consternation for everyone at the club in recent years and it instantly became a priority for O'Sullivan when he joined the Knights midway through last year.
The club had shown interest in Jonah Pezet but he opted to stay in Melbourne and extend his deal. O'Sullivan had a longstanding interest in Brown, having tried and failed to sign him twice before.
He wasn’t going to be denied on a third occasion. O'Sullivan had originally attempted to lure Brown to the Warriors before he had made his first grade debut, offering a six-year contract worth $3 million.
At the time, Brown was on a $60,000 development deal with Parramatta and the Warriors offer would have resulted in the playmaker earning the richest deal for someone who was yet to play first grade.

O'Sullivan also had a lash at Brown when he was in charge of recruitment at the Dolphins. At the time, there were suggestions he was ready to weigh in with $1 million a season to convince Brown to leave Parramatta.
He wasn’t able to get a deal over the line previously but he was undeterred. This masthead understands that O'Sullivan’s interest and that of the Knights was amplified when they received an email from Brown’s manager Chris Orr in January calling for expressions of interest in the New Zealand international.
The email, which was leaked to the media, urged clubs to register their interest in securing the services of Brown for “season 2026 and beyond”.
It added that “franchise players” don’t come on the market very often. The Knights and O'Sullivan quickly shifted into gear.
“When the email came out, that is when it was game on,” one source told News Corp.

THE ARTHUR CONNECTION
When Brown signed his mega-extension with the Eels at the end of 2022, he and his management made sure it included some protection mechanisms.
The deal, believed to be worth nearly $7 million, included a series of options that gave Brown the ability to depart before the end of 2031.
One of those options kicked in at round 10 this year, giving Brown the power to leave the club at the end of 2025 if he wanted to head in another direction.
Brown signed the deal when Brad Arthur was Eels coach and his management insisted the clauses were designed to protect Brown in case there was an upheaval in the playing squad or coach Brad Arthur was sacked.
Arthur was indeed let go midway through last season. Arthur was the man who handed Brown his first chance in the NRL. Brown was close with Arthur’s family – he took his daughter Charlotte to the Dally M medal after she asked whether she could attend.

When we set his original Parra deal up, we did it to protect him in case anything happened with coaches or massive team changes,” agent Gavin Orr said.
“Dylan had great respect for Brad Arthur. We’ve seen other clubs move players or coaches on and that can change the dynamics of a team really quick.
“We had those clauses in there to safeguard Dylan. He was happy at Parramatta and the way the deal was set up, it could also reward Dylan if he kept performing.”
The twist in the tail is the relationship between Newcastle coach Adam O’Brien and Arthur. They played together in Bateman’s Bay and coached together in Melbourne.
They are so close, O’Brien is also godfather to Charlotte Arthur and Arthur’s son Matt is a member of the Newcastle playing squad.

THE MEGA OFFER
The Knights have copped their share of flak for throwing 10 years and $13 million at Brown. They also knew ordinary wasn’t going to get it done.
If they were going to prise Brown out of Parramatta, it was going to take something extraordinary.
Brown was already on a healthy deal next season – he would have earned in excess of $1 million at Parramatta in 2026.

Newcastle head of football Peter Parr hasn’t been afraid to go out on a limb in order to get a deal done in the past. Nor have the Orr brothers, who have presided over Brown’s career.
Parr and the Orrs put together Jason Taumalolo’s groundbreaking deal in North Queensland while the Orrs were the architects of Daly Cherry-Evans’ lifetime contract at Manly.
As nice as the view was from The Beach Hotel, a five or six year offer from Newcastle wasn’t going to convince Brown to pack up and move to the Knights.
They needed to blow Parramatta out of the water and they arrived at a 10-year term, confident that Brown was worth the investment after conducting their due diligence on the 24-year-old.
It is understood the Knights picked the brains of staff members who had been in New Zealand camp with Brown including their head of high performance Matt Jay, who works with the Kiwis.

The 10-year term was eventually rubber-stamped by the club’s hierarchy including chief executive Phil Gardiner.
“You either piss or get off the pot,” one source said
Brown’s head was turned.
“The opportunity came up to look around and we started that search about two months ago,” Gavin Orr said.
“I don’t think anyone could have envisaged the deal the Knights put to Dylan. Very few clubs could have beaten what Dylan was already on, so it had to be something extraordinary.”

THE FINAL CALL
Newcastle always had a feeling they were fighting an uphill battle to convince Brown to defect but their confidence began to grow last week.
They had been through a similar journey with prop Leo Thompson as he weighed up his future earlier this year.
The longer Thompson vacillated over his future, the more the Knights feared he would leave. In the end he did, accepting a big offer from the Bulldogs to join them from next season.
As Brown took his time to make a call, the more positive it seemed for Newcastle. Brown was clearly taking their offer seriously and at lunchtime on Monday, whispers began to seep out that Brown had told some of his teammates he was moving to Newcastle.

This masthead started to make calls late on Monday and eventually confirmed the news that Brown had decided to accept the Newcastle deal, breaking the story on News Corp websites.
It is understood Brown’s management called Eels head of football Mark O’Neill to confirm that he would indeed leave at the end of the season, a sledgehammer blow to new coach Jason Ryles who had made it his mission to convince his star five-eighth to stay.
As refreshing as the club had become on Ryles’ watch, the money was eventually too great for Brown to refuse. Brown grew up in a home about 30 minutes outside of Whangarei, on the north island of New Zealand.
The family home had a roof, but no insulation. The Browns lived pay cheque to pay cheque. There were no silver spoons in their household.
Brown didn’t go without, but he didn’t have it easy either. The Newcastle deal is life-changing not just for him, but also his family, something he made clear in a social media post as the news filtered out on Monday night.



 

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Part 2 ....

WHERE TO FOR THE EELS
Parramatta are expected to waive the 10-day cooling off period for Brown as they look to close the book on the saga before they play their first home game of the season on Sunday against the Wests Tigers.
By then, Brown will have addressed his future. The Eels five-eighth has already posted on social media but he will front the media on Wednesday as he attempts to take some of the heat out of the issue before Sunday.
The reception he gets from Eels fans will be intriguing. No doubt, many will be furious with a player who the club backed through the good and bad times in recent years.

Others will be disappointed in the timing – his decision to leave the club comes after an off-season where young halves Ethan Sanders and Blaize Talagi also headed for the exit.
Eels fans will no doubt suggest they would have tried harder to keep one or both if they knew Brown was going to pack his bags and head up the Pacific Motorway.
His decision cuts like a knife, particularly in the wake of their lopsided loss to Melbourne last Sunday afternoon.
The Eels’ priority now is to find a replacement but options of Brown’s quality are thin on the ground. There is more to work with at the end of 2026 when the likes of Lachlan Galvin, Luke Metcalf, Jahrome Hughes, Lachlan Ilias and Tyran Wishart come off contract.

Emerging stars like Jaxon Purdue and Coby Black also become available. The Eels can try to extract a player under contract from a club for next year or they may opt to tread water for 12 months in the halves, save their pennies and load up on one of the big names off contract at the end of next season.
They have some decisions to make but the good news is they have money to spend. Brown’s departure frees up more than $1 million next season. The likes of Bryce Cartwright and Joe Ofahengaue are also off contract at the end of 2025, which means the Eels could have a war chest to go to market.

 

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