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Eels in the media

Gazzamatta

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GM of football and head coach are equals is how I read it. This position allows the coach to purely coach the team and not have to worry about the little things at the club. But I'm sure we'll still see BA down at the junior games and at Wenty.
Its how I read it as well. Not sure I agree. Ive noted my objection and concern. Fingers crossed this arrangement works the way its intended. I can hear the rumours already. Guess I'm either a worrier or a realist. To me it reads as an afterthought after it was written and if so why?
I really hope I'm wrong. Lets just get on with it.
 

Joshuatheeel

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Its how I read it as well. Not sure I agree. Ive noted my objection and concern. Fingers crossed this arrangement works the way its intended. I can hear the rumours already. Guess I'm either a worrier or a realist. To me it reads as an afterthought after it was written and if so why?
I really hope I'm wrong. Lets just get on with it.

Don’t forget the Anderson appointment apparently had a lot politics in it along with an amateur board and inexperienced CEO! Additionally wasn’t Anderson pushing to be appointed coach?

I think the future GM will have a bit more guidance and structure and doubt he(or she) wouId last long if they were “white anting” BA.

Anyhow let’s hope Peter Parr applies for the job!! Peter Sharp could potentially be a good option with someone else moving into his position - he wouId have the experience and good idea of what is required.
 

Dibs

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I dont understand the,
"(with the exception of coaching) " clause. Looks like an add on to me.
That can be taken as a very large exclusion eg, the coach does not report to this position or is it specifically that the appointed person wont be coaching? Has it been added to appease the coach?
I would have thought the GM of Football would have all personnel within the Football Department report to him/her either directly or indirectly.
Maybe I just worked too many years with Unions.
It’s the Phil Gould Clause, no one wants to know his coaching philosophy
 

Twizzle

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GM of football and head coach are equals is how I read it. This position allows the coach to purely coach the team and not have to worry about the little things at the club. But I'm sure we'll still see BA down at the junior games and at Wenty.

A theoretical for you.

Coach wants player A to join the club. DOF says he doesn't want him.

Who gets the call on player recruitment ?
 

Gronk

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A theoretical for you.

Coach wants player A to join the club. DOF says he doesn't want him.

Who gets the call on player recruitment ?

I heard Phil Gould say that their guy reports to the coach. The coach tells their retention guy the type of player he wants. Retention guy then gets back to the coach with options, price and how it impacts their cap. Coach has final say. Coach may speak to the player direct but the negs etc are completed by the retention guy.
 

Obscene Assassin

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A theoretical for you.

Coach wants player A to join the club. DOF says he doesn't want him.

Who gets the call on player recruitment ?

Coach. Coach says who he wants, then the GM goes out and does all the little things to secure the player's signature. This way the coach can still focus on his main job. Sort of how I assume that the current relationship between the coach and recruitment manager works out. They'd probably sit down, work out what player would fit the squad or style of player is needed and discuss.
 

Obscene Assassin

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Its how I read it as well. Not sure I agree. Ive noted my objection and concern. Fingers crossed this arrangement works the way its intended. I can hear the rumours already. Guess I'm either a worrier or a realist. To me it reads as an afterthought after it was written and if so why?
I really hope I'm wrong. Lets just get on with it.

Screw rumours, they're made up by journos who have nothing better to do with their lives. Both people need to realise that neither is above the other, if they aren't mature enough to understand that then neither should be in the position in the first place. I don't know why you read it like that, why did you read it like that?
 

Obscene Assassin

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I heard Phil Gould say that their guy reports to the coach. The coach tells their retention guy the type of player he wants. Retention guy then gets back to the coach with options, price and how it impacts their cap. Coach has final say. Coach may speak to the player direct but the negs etc are completed by the retention guy.

That's exactly how it should work out. Coach doesn't have to worry about the little details.
 

Joshuatheeel

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A theoretical for you.

Coach wants player A to join the club. DOF says he doesn't want him.

Who gets the call on player recruitment ?

I say the coach always makes the final call on a particular player, but the GM / DOF provides guidance on how much we can spent.

For example we may allocate 20% of cap on middle forwards, 25% on the spine, 20% on backs and 20% on edge forwards with 10% left over for that “special” player in any position we want to chase (eg we may target a rep forward which means we need to spend a bit more) and 5% free for bargains during the year.

The GM uses this model to provide guidance to the coach on what we can spend, like BA may want X back player, GM comes back to BA and says we have $500k left to spend on backs but we need to purchase 2 more backs to fill our squad, so BA/GM discuss what the offer should be and other options. Also the GM has had discussions with several player managers and can tell BA what else is available.

And the coach pretty much agrees with the structure and sticks to it.
 

emjaycee

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Tooves is not a bad call but balls deep in Manly would concern me. Would his heart be in it ?

May as well get Zorba
Zorba is an ex-Eel. He would be a better option that Tooves.

I reckon if a candidate I know of gets the gig some of you lot will go off big time.
 

IFR33K

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Blame me and no-one else: Arthur reflects on season to forget

At almost this exact time last year, Brad Arthur agreed to do a similar interview.

A few days out from Parramatta's first finals appearance in eight years, Arthur suggested to meet at an Oatlands coffee shop.

He agreed, albeit after months of persuasion, to tell the story of how his team came back from a salary cap saga that almost tore the club apart 12 months earlier.

But every few minutes the interview stopped. Some wanted photos. Others just wanted to tell him how proud they were.

Twelve months on and Arthur reluctantly agrees to do a similar interview about a completely contrasting season.

"Same place as last year?" he is asked.

"No. Just come to training." Arthur texts back.

Arthur doesn't enjoy the spotlight at the best of times. But this year it's different.

"Mate, I'm embarrassed to leave the house," he says sitting on the veranda of the club's demountable facility sipping on a lemon-ginger Kombucha as he waits for his players to return from lunch.

"Can it get any worse? Getting an extension is great, but it's not my priority. It's about making sure the club is in a better place when I leave than when I first arrived.

"Whether that's next year or that's in 10 years, I can't put myself first and make decisions based on what I need to do to save my job. It won't happen. I love this club too much to jeopardise its future."

It's not the first time Arthur has had to deal with the pressure of uncertainty around job security.

At ANZ Stadium against the Wests Tigers in round seven last year, with his team trailing with 10 minutes on the clock, Arthur thought he was one more siren away from the end.

"We won our first two games last year and everyone was saying 'We're going to win the comp'," he said.

"Then we lost our next four games and with 10 minutes to go in that game against the Tigers we're behind and I thought 'If we lose I'm looking for a new job the next day'.

The Eels went on to win that game and 13 of the next 17 thereafter. Arthur was hailed the saviour.

This week, as they prepared to head to Melbourne, the Eels watched last year's semi-final loss at AAMI Park.

It showed how close they were to a premiership. It also highlighted how far they've fallen.

"Maybe we got comfortable at the start of the year?" Arthur said.

"Maybe we just thought it was going to happen? There are a lot of maybes. So many maybes."

As much as the fans want it, there isn't just one single answer as to why it has unravelled in the manner in which it has in such a short period of time.

No review will tell you why. But it hasn't stopped Arthur from racking his brain trying to work out some of the factors that may have contributed to the nightmare that has been 2018.

"We probably did some things in the pre-season, looking back at them now, I would have done them differently," Arthur said.

"Maybe I overloaded them in terms of growing leadership within the group, and maybe we went too far with that with some of the stuff we did in the preseason trying to give them too much control of the team. We tried to go from me being in total control of everything to too much the other way.

Mate, I'm embarrassed to leave the house

Eels coach Brad Arthur
"Maybe we should have done it in smaller increments without adding too much pressure on them. I don't know. They are all what ifs. You'll never know but maybe we did try and change too much from the year before."

So did you ever feel like you lost the players? Did you have to ask them?

"It's an emphatic no on both accounts. I never asked them and I never felt the need to because no one here has ever given up," he said.

What about talks these blokes don’t get along?

"There's never been disharmony here," Arthur said. "Unless you know something?"

It's hard to know anything unless you're inside the four walls, but we've all heard the rumours. Corey Norman hates the coach. Jarryd Hayne has had a destabilising impact. The halves don't get along. Players are being told to look elsewhere. There's a poor culture.

It's all over social media, Brad.

"I don't know how to use social media," he says.

"I'm sure there are plenty of people unhappy with what's happening and have done their fair share of criticising. But our true supporters, in my eyes, have stuck by us. They would be happy with what they are seeing the last eight weeks. There were a lot of rumours at the start of the year, but that comes when you're not performing. Things about blokes not getting along.

"They always got along at training and off the field but that doesn't always mean they are going to get along on the field. If you're in the position we were at the start of the year, you're going to have blokes who are disgruntled and show emotion and be pissed off with each other. It's just natural."

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Parramatta coach Brad Arthur.:copyright:Grant Trouville/NRL Photos
Arthur would change things if he had his time again. They've tried to change things on the run. They moved the players' day off to three days before a game instead of two. They injected some rookies and will add Blake Ferguson, Junior Paulo and Shaun Lane to the roster in 2019.

Arthur knows they lost some football experience in letting go of veteran trainer Ronnie Palmer to the Wests Tigers.

He also acknowledges the impact of the club's inability to replace assistant coach Peter Gentle (South Sydney) with David Kidwell until round seven.

"I shouldered a bit of the workload but the reality is the players got sick of hearing the same person over and over again," Arthur said.

"Trying to do defence, contact, wrestle, game plan, the whole lot between me and Steve Murphy because we didn't have the ability to replace Peter Gentle straight away. Bringing Kiddy in has helped that getting a different voice and a different way of explaining things to the boys.

"Being down a coach might have been a burden on everyone around here. You have to delegate to the people around you in this day and age. Players need to hear different voices. They were just hearing mine all day."

What Arthur saw on game day in most cases this year wasn't reflective of what he'd seen on the training field for the five days prior.

"At one stage there we discussed that we've nearly become a track work team," he said.

"We had become professional trainers but we couldn't get the job done on the field."

At the start of the year many were tipping the Eels as premiership frontrunners. After six weeks they were favourites for the spoon.

"I think the weight of expectation became a burden on the players," he said.

It was territory all too familiar for the blue and gold faithful. But Arthur hopes the last two months has given the fans some hope heading into a new era in 2019 with the new Western Sydney Stadium opening in late April.

"People might say 'Where was this at the start of the year?', but we can't change it," he said.

"The last eight games we've looked like the team we wanted to be. We've played consistent footy for eight weeks. It doesn't mean we've won all those games – we won 50 per cent of them – but every one of those games our fans would have thought at some stage we were going to win that game."

NRL.com interviewed new Eels chairman Sean McElduff last week. He said the coach would be judged on a number of things in his final year on contract. He wouldn't confirm it was finals or bust for Arthur, but the coach is under no illusions as to what is required next year.

"At the end of the day I know we will be judged by wins and losses," he said.

"It's as simple as that. I haven't done any less or more this year than I did last year. But what I get paid to do, I haven't delivered. It's results. That's all there is to it. If I deserve it I will earn it."

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/08/16...h-brad-arthur-reflects-on-a-season-to-forget/


The question needs to be asked.


Is BA a nut hugger or death rider???
 

Twizzle

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Zorba is an ex-Eel. He would be a better option that Tooves.

I reckon if a candidate I know of gets the gig some of you lot will go off big time.

yeah but Zorba hates the Eels as much as Kent does

C'mon spill the beans, who are we talking about here ?
 
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