Eels in the media

[Poupou Escobar]

Of course a coach would meet with potential players to share his vision for the future and the player.

That doesn't mean he signs them.

ffs

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Sigh.

Wasn't it established that we have a recruitment and retention committee, of which the coach is one of the members?

So it's a f**king shared responsibility - not an individual thing. No one escapes blame, or everyone deserves credit.

I agree with most of this, though in an early interview Ryles indicated he isn't a member of the list management group, but rather he "just gives them a hand".

That said, I'm sure coaches have some level of veto power over any potential signing or re-signing. But saying he doesn't want a player because the merkin isn't a star or just wants too much money is the easy part. If he keeps turning his nose up at players, he won't have a full squad. Coaches know this, which is why the likes of Morgan Harper and Makahesi Makatoa still have jobs in the NRL, no matter how many armchair experts honk about how ThEiR cLuBs WiLl WiN nOtHiNg WiTh ThOsE lOoSeRs!!!!!

 

[the phantom menace]

I actually thought Makatoa did a decent job for the value that he would presumably have cost. He's doing enough this year to be in the Roosters 17, and we are getting smaller returns from some forwards paid much higher - but still under contract, so thems the breaks.

 

[lucablight]

Who said they're not involved in the process?

What’s the rhetorical goal of saying the coach doesn’t sign players?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What’s the rhetorical goal of saying the coach doesn’t sign players?

The same goal as when I remind merkins it's a team game. The coach is a member of the non-playing staff, not the driver of everything that happens at the club.

 

[lucablight]

The same goal as when I remind merkins it's a team game. The coach is a member of the non-playing staff, not the driver of everything that happens at the club.

When you say things like the coach doesn’t sign players the implication seems to be that they bear no responsibility for what players come and go into the team. If they have a significant influence then I think it’s mostly semantics to say they don’t sign players.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

When you say things like the coach doesn’t sign players the implication seems to be that they bear no responsibility for what players come and go into the team. If they have a significant influence then I think it’s mostly semantics to say they don’t sign players.

Well I don’t think they have a significant influence at all. For example look at Bennett’s rosters at the Broncos compared to the teams he’s had at other clubs. Look at Cleary’s squads for the first 15 years of his career compared to the last 5. Stuart at the Roosters vs every club since. If they were so influential, why did the quality of their squads fluctuate so wildly?

 

[Twizzle]

 

[RustedonEel]

That was a great podcast/interview. Sterlo taking the piss out of Edge

 

[Gronk]

Woah #carriagegate

 

[lucablight]

Well I don’t think they have a significant influence at all. For example look at Bennett’s rosters at the Broncos compared to the teams he’s had at other clubs. Look at Cleary’s squads for the first 15 years of his career compared to the last 5. Stuart at the Roosters vs every club since. If they were so influential, why did the quality of their squads fluctuate so wildly?

Bennet won a grand final with the Dragons and took the Rabbitohs to a grand final. Did they have some of the best rosters during that time or not?

 

[Matty Bhoy]

Woah #carriagegate

I’ll maintain until my dying day that the ball was still rolling when Hollywood said he took it dead. It all unravelled from there.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Bennet won a grand final with the Dragons and took the Rabbitohs to a grand final. Did they have some of the best rosters during that time or not?

And Arthur took Parramatta to a grand final. Good effort with the roster he had, just like Bennett with Souths. But Bennett won multiple premierships at Brisbane, and only one since. How can you pretend the roster isn't a factor?

In any case, we aren't comparing Bennett and Arthur's coaching ability. Everyone knows Bennett is a better coach, including our club's executives. But here we are talking about the coach's influence on recruitment. Why was Bennett such a great recruiter at the Broncos and so ordinary since then?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That 2010 Dragons side had seven merkins picked in Origin that year. The last time we had that many was 1983.

 

[lucablight]

And Arthur took Parramatta to a grand final. Good effort with the roster he had, just like Bennett with Souths. But Bennett won multiple premierships at Brisbane, and only one since. How can you pretend the roster isn't a factor?

In any case, we aren't comparing Bennett and Arthur's coaching ability. Everyone knows Bennett is a better coach, including our club's executives. But here we are talking about the coach's influence on recruitment. Why was Bennett such a great recruiter at the Broncos and so ordinary since then?

I’m not saying roster isn’t a factor. I’m saying it seems awfully coincidental that Bennett has won a premiership at another club and took another club to a grand final. I’m asking if you don’t think he had a bighand in building those rosters? How many premierships have the Broncos and Dragons won without him since? Why couldn’t the other coaches do the same if it’s just the management who build the rosters?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I’m not saying roster isn’t a factor. I’m saying it seems awfully coincidental that Bennett has won a premiership at another club and took another club to a grand final. I’m asking if you don’t think he had a bighand in building those rosters? How many premierships have the Broncos and Dragons won without him since? Why couldn’t the other coaches do the same if it’s just the management who build the rosters?

Well a better question is how Maguire ‘could’ win a premiership with Souths while Bennett ‘could not’. If you think it through properly you’ll realise that Maguire just had better luck than Bennett. Did he have a better roster than Bennett? If so was it because he was better at roster building? Luck is a factor in every premiership.

But Bennett definitely (imo) could’ve won a trophy the first time at Souths. Just because a coach didn’t win a premiership in a given year doesn’t mean he couldn’t have, with better luck. That 2021 Souths squad had six merkins picked in Origin, something we haven’t managed in decades.

 

[eel01s]

I’ll maintain until my dying day that the ball was still rolling when Hollywood said he took it dead. It all unravelled from there.

Absolutely! I was livid at the time, shame there was no video review (they probably would have got it wrong though).

 

[Legal Eel]

And Arthur took Parramatta to a grand final. Good effort with the roster he had, just like Bennett with Souths. But Bennett won multiple premierships at Brisbane, and only one since. How can you pretend the roster isn't a factor?

In any case, we aren't comparing Bennett and Arthur's coaching ability. Everyone knows Bennett is a better coach, including our club's executives. But here we are talking about the coach's influence on recruitment. Why was Bennett such a great recruiter at the Broncos and so ordinary since then?

How many wooden spoon quality seasons have Bennett and Bellamy had or even missing the eight?? BA had half his years not making the eight!

Shit, I fed the troll…

 

[Poupou Escobar]

How many wooden spoon quality seasons have Bennett and Bellamy had or even missing the eight?? BA had half his years not making the eight!

Shit, I fed the troll…

Damn I thought Arthur was as good as Bennett and Bellamy ffs. Thanks for clearing that up Einstein.

 

[Legal Eel]

Damn I thought Arthur was as good as Bennett and Bellamy ffs. Thanks for clearing that up Einstein.

So you don’t think it?

so your endless comparisons of him to Bennett and Cleary are just trolling?

Colour me surprised.

You are either a troll or a colossal idiot…and we are assured by your coterie of white knights on here that you are not a troll