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End nears for suburban NRL grounds

big hit!

Bench
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The problem with all the Sydney teams playing out of one or two central stadiums is you take away the need to have so many Sydney teams. if Manly, Cronulla and Penrith play away from there areas then what is the point of them?

It seems from these boards (and correct me if i'm wrong because i have never been) but people from these regions don't like to (or find it hard to) travel out of these areas. So if Manly play out of the SFS then the fans may as well support the Roosters and the Sea Eagles can move to the central coast/perth/wherever. Same for the sharks.


Its the same argument against ground sharing over here. Its the first step in a merge or a removal of a team.

Good point.

There are metropolitan clubs that attract a lot of their support from outside their districts - mostly SS, SGI, BUL, PAR, WT - but several are very much district clubs with a very large proportion of their membership and support base confined to the district. PEN & CRO were expansion clubs introduced to represent the growing areas of these regions.

The comparisons to the AFL model which some ill-informed journos like to make are not comparing a like for like. The NSWRL competition didn't develop in the way the VFL competition did. Much of the foundation clubs in the NSWRL have disappeared. Expansion focused on district representation, not necessarily club strengths in the lower tier VFA such as in the cases of North Melbourne, Hawthorn & Footscray in VFL expansion. Furthermore, although many of their clubs are named and based in inner-city areas, the support base of all their clubs come from across the melbourne metropolitan. To compare the locality of AFL clubs such as Melbourne, North Melbourne, Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond & Hawthorn down there to the Sydney metropolitan, it would be like having clubs in Sydney, North Sydney, Glebe, Pyrmont, Darlinghurst & Surry Hills. Collingwood isn't the biggest club in the country because of their support base in Collingwood. If anything, they probably have little support within Collingwood these days due to getrification in inner city slums as we have had here in Sydney.

Finally, and something that had a huge impact not only on the expansion of the NSWRL, but also, the development of micro-cities within the Sydney metro, is the sprawl. The Sydey metro area is a big area of land and extends about 65km from Bondi Beach to Emu Plains. The last thing a resident of Fairfield who works in Chatswood, wants to do is leave their district yet again in their days off, particularly with how geographic and transport infrastructures work up here. The CBD and transport hub where much of the public transport infrastructure centres on is in the far east of the metro. Compare this to the best example of stadia rationalisation in Melbourne, their sprawl is smaller, the CBD and transport hub is located in the centre of this, and their residents access to it is fairly adequate.

The issue is, governments and councils don't want to pump millions into stadia development for the ultimate benefit of 12 games a year, and likewise, there is no justification for clubs to invest in it as the return (@$25 or $30 an average ticket for 20k per game + advertising, etc) for the cost (labour cost in particular is huge on AUS building projects) is small. The model in Europe where clubs own their grounds works for them because they can play upwards of 30 home matches in these grounds. In the US, cities will fund stadiums (through city taxes) for teams because the economic benefits of having pro sports teams in their city is huge. In the case of Sydney metro clubs they are all competing for funds from mainly two sources - NSW State & AUS Federal govts - who also argue that they already have 3 stadia which they own and should be used. Most of the clubs who are desperate for stadia funding have no leverage.
 
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Mr Fourex

Bench
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Take ya kids with ya and see how all that ends up. By the way, do it in Sydney.

You have NFI. You pick out one demographic. You know many of us who are members of our clubs have families and commitments. We enjoy the odd day you just described, however in Sydney in particular you can't afford to pay your house, pay your bills, be a member of your club, pay your TV subscription and go to every farkin game. It may be okay when you are single and all you have in life are your mates, because your a brain dead farkwit that can only hang with other brain dead farkwits, but most of us have a life, unlike you.

I guess the NSW government with their acquisition of a 2nd home game and trying to buy a SOO series victory wasn't all it was cracked up to be. Someone should of thought of leaving a bit of doe in the coffers for Sydney's poor local clubs.

I guess you can't please everyone........

Bwhahahahaha !!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Great posts above. The big difference for the Sharks is owning their home ground and with the development approved ground upgrade is included, therefore they are not battling for government dollars. Well not for quite some time to come.

What the sharks need to do IMO is start putting together collaborations with the Shires soccer side to play out of Shark Park, run events like music festivals (as they used to) get returns on the stadium investment which is not simply from the NRL home games.
 

Fire

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f**k the big grounds, especially Homebush. Been to the past three Charity Shields, not going next year, can't be f**ked with all the hassle, gonna watch it on TV.

If this doesn't make me a true supporter of my club, I could give a f**k lol. I'm with Millers, I've got a life/commitments outside of footy.
 

CrazyTiger

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Great posts above. The big difference for the Sharks is owning their home ground and with the development approved ground upgrade is included, therefore they are not battling for government dollars. Well not for quite some time to come.

What the sharks need to do IMO is start putting together collaborations with the Shires soccer side to play out of Shark Park, run events like music festivals (as they used to) get returns on the stadium investment which is not simply from the NRL home games.

You may not be as safe as you think. If the NRL decides to kill suburban grounds all they
have to do is create a criteria to ensure Brookvale, Leichardt and Toyota can't pass them.

I suppose it would be justice in that it would kill Cronulla. Whilst this would give me
boundless joy it wouldn't just kill Cronulla. It is the mechanism to force mergers and
expansions and Cronulla is in the firing like along with all Sydney clubs.
 

carcharias

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There is a reason why the sharks are still going.

Surely they would have farked them off by now otherwise.
 

CrazyTiger

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There is a reason why the sharks are still going.

Surely they would have farked them off by now otherwise.

The reason Cronulla is still alive is because they stabbed many other clubs in the
back to stay alive.

There seems a concerted push within the media that suburban grounds are going
to die. Maybe they know something we don't.
 

CrazyTiger

Juniors
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They've had 20,000 opportunities to do so and we are still around. That really stings for some people.

I'm concerned for my own club not Cronulla. If the nrl wanted to do a superleague
they can simply fold Cronulla, Manly and Penrith. You are left with inadequate
geographic coverage creating the need for a logical four N,S,E,W teams.

I'm just saying it is a possible expansion strategy. All you have to do to sell it is
to the clubs by earnestly insisting that suburban grounds aren't up to standard etc and let
nature take its course.
 

carcharias

Immortal
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And yet here we are
A 300mil development approved
The greatest Australian alive captaining us
... and unmerged.

Lick the unwiped rectum of defeat.
 

Ausguy

Coach
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For someone not worried about Cronulla you spend a lot of time in the sharks forum doing your best to death ride the club.

You remind me of another poster who has gone MIA in recent months. He was a tigers fan too.

Anyway UUC
 

Lucky Roy

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I think if the Souths legal saga proved anything, it is that kicking a team out of the league isn't as simple as people might think.

What isn't so well known is that the NRL successfully appealed (in the High Court) the decision that Souths won. Might have really been News Ltd but as they were/are half owners of the NRL, it is moot. They can kick out any team they want. Souths won on the basis of restrictive trade practices, so that avenue has been removed. A team that may be removed would have to find another reason to fight it and that might be a hard ask.

The passing of time has revealed that those close to the News camp will now admit that the reason Souths were booted was not the team, but the person running them - running them into the ground. The U-turn in their fortunes since he was finally removed seems to bear that fact out.
 

newman

First Grade
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I went to the big bash at ANZ stadium last night. Took me 1 and a half hours to get there for the first over from Bondi. 6 thousand in the ground. What an atmosphere! Got home at 10.40.
 
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I just love the spastics wanting to kick clubs out or wanting them to fold.

Dumber than dog shit.
Less clubs =less games= less revenue.& ultimatly less fans.
 
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