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Big Bunny

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It must be irritating, for those fans who still support the Bears to occasionally find articles written that talk about them having died. The worst part I've noticed is that they tend to be by blokes who claimed to have been Norths fans once upon a time. Mike Gibson and Mike Colman are the two that seem to stand out. To me they sound like bandwagoners. Yeah they followed the Bears when they were losing, but big deal, the real test is to follow them no matter what league they are playing in.

With logic like theirs it's as though they don't believe that rugby league exists below the NRL.
 

2 True Blues

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As a Jets fan I respect all of the Bears fans with a passion that no words can actually do the full credit for. The fact that they stick to their side thru the hard times is the TRUE footy fan in my eyes. Not some loser arselicking turncoat who changes sides if his team is dumped from the NRL and follows the SWANS and as such gives up. The TRUE Aussie is a BEARS fan in my opinion. And long live the Bears. May the fans see some light at the end of the tunnel REAL soon as payment for their undeniable loyalty.
 

brook

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Big Bunny said:
With logic like theirs it's as though they don't believe that rugby league exists below the NRL.

Sadly that is the attitude of many
 

yakstorm

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brook said:
Sadly that is the attitude of many

Which is a shame, they don't see to follow the might Balmain-West Ryde-Eastwood-Denistone-Epping Tigers hey brook ;)

In all seriousness though, it is a bit of a case of 'out of sight out of mind', the NSWRL needs to be more proactive in promoting its competitions, and not run them as just a feeder for NRL, but instead as its own competition in its own right.
 

girvie

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Big Bunny said:
It must be irritating, for those fans who still support the Bears to occasionally find articles written that talk about them having died. The worst part I've noticed is that they tend to be by blokes who claimed to have been Norths fans once upon a time. Mike Gibson and Mike Colman are the two that seem to stand out. To me they sound like bandwagoners. Yeah they followed the Bears when they were losing, but big deal, the real test is to follow them no matter what league they are playing in.

With logic like theirs it's as though they don't believe that rugby league exists below the NRL.

It is pretty bad to read people saying that the Bears are dead.

I don't think Bears fans have a very high opinion of someone like Mike Gibson and Mike Colman who says that the Bears are dead.

I think they don't care about competitions other than the NRL and they don't care that the Bears still play.

I remember at the end of 2004 Gibson was pushing for the Rabbitohs to play at North Sydney Oval. He said it would be great to see rugby league at North Sydney Oval once again. But he didn't mention that the Bears were still playing there in Premier League. :roll:

Gibson and Colman have done nothing for the Bears except stab the club in the back with their pens.

But i think that the Bears need to get out in the community more and let everyone know (in particular media people like Gibson and Colman) that the Bears are still playing in 4 grades.

I also think the NSWRL need to be more proactive in promoting their competitions so that they are given a bit of respect and also so that people know that traditional teams are playing in these competitions (Norths, Newtown, Balmain, Magpies).

I have seen the club rugby union competition have ads running in the papers listing their upcoming fixtures. It would be good if the NSWRL could do the same thing for Premier League.
 

Jeffles

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I agree with all the sentiments of this thread, particularly about the NSWRL being more proactive.

At Norths end, the club is fragmented. The club does very little top promote their games and even very few board members live for now.

People don't write about the Jets being dead (well not as much as they used to) because Newtown are more out there. Norths need to be as well.
 
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I believe that the Jets have done a very good job of re-inventing themselves as an alternate to the NRL. Not sure if this was deliberate or not but it's worked on getting a new generation of fans interested in the club and it's something that the Bears should follow.
The other PL clubs should also do a bit more to promote their stand alone games.
It is a shame that the old Bears fans have decided to stay away from Bear park, but it seems that there are many who are still bitter about the Beagles and look at the PL as not being worthy of their support, having grown up on a diet of first grade. Secondly, I work in Crows Nest and there is not one poster, sticker, or anything Bears related around this area not surprising that people think the Bears are dead.
 

mightybears

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girvie said:
It is pretty bad to read people saying that the Bears are dead.

I don't think Bears fans have a very high opinion of someone like Mike Gibson and Mike Colman who says that the Bears are dead.

I think they don't care about competitions other than the NRL and they don't care that the Bears still play.

I remember at the end of 2004 Gibson was pushing for the Rabbitohs to play at North Sydney Oval. He said it would be great to see rugby league at North Sydney Oval once again. But he didn't mention that the Bears were still playing there in Premier League. :roll:

Gibson and Colman have done nothing for the Bears except stab the club in the back with their pens.

But i think that the Bears need to get out in the community more and let everyone know (in particular media people like Gibson and Colman) that the Bears are still playing in 4 grades.

I also think the NSWRL need to be more proactive in promoting their competitions so that they are given a bit of respect and also so that people know that traditional teams are playing in these competitions (Norths, Newtown, Balmain, Magpies).

I have seen the club rugby union competition have ads running in the papers listing their upcoming fixtures. It would be good if the NSWRL could do the same thing for Premier League.

agree with all that bar that mike colman still puts the bears/norths stories out in the media [and the Courier Mail as the only deal in town cops it for ignoring its local 'lower grade' teams in the Queensland Cup ]

as has been said Norths needs to do more in the local area to get the locals back

and HPH, Crowie [Willoughby etc] has demographically changed remarkably in the last 15 years, many aren't 'local people' in the league of gentlemen sense!, so Norths has to do more to get them interested in North Sydney
 

girvie

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mightybears said:
agree with all that bar that mike colman still puts the bears/norths stories out in the media [and the Courier Mail as the only deal in town cops it for ignoring its local 'lower grade' teams in the Queensland Cup ]

as has been said Norths needs to do more in the local area to get the locals back

and HPH, Crowie [Willoughby etc] has demographically changed remarkably in the last 15 years, many aren't 'local people' in the league of gentlemen sense!, so Norths has to do more to get them interested in North Sydney

What about this recent article by Mike Colman : http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/story/0,20797,19668641-10389,00.html

Now as a lifelong supporter of the late great North Sydney Bears I know all about lost causes.
 

greg

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I long for the day it is a Bluebags/Bears grand final in premier league on national television before the NewsRL game. How good would that be.
 

mightybears

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girvie said:

good point, but generally he still keeps the bears in the queensland public's 'eye'

the article is still norths friendly:

OUT of the World Cup, beaten five-blot by Sri Lanka in the one-day cricket, Tim Henman out of Wimbledon, rugby union team beaten 2-0 in Australia . . . things are back to normal in England.

Now please don't take this as a personal attack. I happen to have a great fondness for England and, with some exceptions, the English, but really, isn't it about time someone asked the question: just why are they so bad at sport?

From time to time we hear a nation described as "per capita" the greatest sporting nation on earth.

New Zealand for example. Here is an island right down at the bottom of the world with a population of just over four million, which is less than a 10th of that of England and about twice as big as that of West Yorkshire.

Yet this tiny country produces arguably the world's best rugby union, rugby league and netball players. It has also won the America's Cup, beaten Australia at basketball and cricket, and once made it to the finals of the soccer World Cup.

Which, if that doesn't make it per capita the world's best sporting nation, must make it pretty close.

By the same token, England must be, per capita, the worst.

Apart from a few flurries from time to time, such as winning the Ashes and Rugby World Cup, which are invariably followed by inexplicable slumps, England just cannot seem to get its act together on the sporting field.

Which in itself is fine. A lot of countries believe their resources are far better spent on more cerebral pursuits than chasing balls up and down muddy paddocks.

The English, however, actually appear to be trying. They have a central sporting body named, in what might be unkindly termed an oxymoron, Sports England, which is currently spending $320 million on 10 major sports including, incredibly, tennis, cricket, netball, rugby league, rugby union and soccer.

The money, which comes from a national lottery, has produced some results. Just this year England – the largest country in the competition – came second in the Commonwealth Games medal count with 110 medals, including 36 gold.

Australia was first with 221 of which 84 were gold.

But even that in itself isn't so baffling.

It is that even with a history of under-achievement the English supporters seem to actually expect to win.

Now as a lifelong supporter of the late great North Sydney Bears I know all about lost causes.

I remember well one afternoon in my youth waiting to cross the road outside North Sydney Oval to witness the Bears cop their weekly hiding.

A supporter from the opposition club, spotting my red jumper, growled rather aggressively into my ear, "Loooo-zerrr, how's it feel to be a loooo-zerrr?"

I told him, quite truthfully, that it felt great. We didn't get too upset when the Bears lost because we didn't expect anything more.

In fact, when they did start winning in the late 1980s and early 1990s, I remember feeling a little off-balance, as if I had a mild inner-ear infection.

The English supporters, however, don't seem to have adopted that North Sydney spirit. They start fights, make up rude words to songs and, when it all turns to dust as it always does, turn quite nasty.

English papers yesterday labelled departing soccer coach Sven Goran Eriksson "Sven Grovel Eriksson" because he apologised for the team's pitiful performance in Germany.

One also published a "Cristiano Ronaldo Dartboard" because the Portuguese star seemed happy when England's Wayne Rooney – a teammate at Manchester United – was sent off for burying his boot in an opponent's groin.

Heaven help Andy Murray when he gets knocked out at Wimbledon. With perennial fall guy Henman and Canadian-turned-Englishman Greg Rusedski already off sipping tea somewhere, England's tennis fans have thrown their vocal weight behind Murray.

Only problem is he's Scottish and doesn't want a bar of it.

Now Scotland, per capita, there's a sporting nation . . .



colmanm@qnp.newsltd.com.au
 

mightybears

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greg said:
I long for the day it is a Bluebags/Bears grand final in premier league on national television before the NewsRL game. How good would that be.

it would be a great day indeed.
 

newtownbluebags

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greg said:
I long for the day it is a Bluebags/Bears grand final in premier league on national television before the NewsRL game. How good would that be.
Now that would be Grand!!! ;-) :lol:
 
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mightybears said:
and HPH, Crowie [Willoughby etc] has demographically changed remarkably in the last 15 years, many aren't 'local people' in the league of gentlemen sense!, so Norths has to do more to get them interested in North Sydney

From what I've seen around this area it seems to bit of a *nion stronghold, however surely it couldn't hurt for the Bears to put up a couple of posters around the place promoting their upcoming games? Geez I'd even be happy to put in the leg work in this area to help out the Bears!
 
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Henson Park Hornets said:
From what I've seen around this area it seems to bit of a *nion stronghold, however surely it couldn't hurt for the Bears to put up a couple of posters around the place promoting their upcoming games? Geez I'd even be happy to put in the leg work in this area to help out the Bears!

I always remember hearing an anecdote from some quasi-famous Australian woman (I don't remember who it was) who grew up in North Sydney and went to a private school on the North Shore somewhere. The way she told it there was enormous prejudice against people who came from North Sydney (they were considered working class) so she used to say she was from MacMahon's Point. Apparently one day one of her classmates found out she was actually from North Sydney and said to her: "I thought you said you came from the North Shore - you come from North Sydney and North Sydney is certainly NOT on the North Shore!"

Obviously there is no longer any real connection between RL support and the 'working-class', I think that's a thing of the past. Having said that, the area has certainly changed since those days and that can't have helped the club but there are still a few parts of the North Sydney catchment area that would be considered traditional RL suburbs and the Bears would be the 'local' team... Asquith, Hornsby... what about places like Galston?
 

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cumberlandsashes81 said:
I always remember hearing an anecdote from some quasi-famous Australian woman (I don't remember who it was) who grew up in North Sydney and went to a private school on the North Shore somewhere. The way she told it there was enormous prejudice against people who came from North Sydney (they were considered working class) so she used to say she was from MacMahon's Point. Apparently one day one of her classmates found out she was actually from North Sydney and said to her: "I thought you said you came from the North Shore - you come from North Sydney and North Sydney is certainly NOT on the North Shore!"

Obviously there is no longer any real connection between RL support and the 'working-class', I think that's a thing of the past. Having said that, the area has certainly changed since those days and that can't have helped the club but there are still a few parts of the North Sydney catchment area that would be considered traditional RL suburbs and the Bears would be the 'local' team... Asquith, Hornsby... what about places like Galston?

The Bears get most of their players for Junior teams from Asquith, Berowra, Pennant Hills and Hills Hawks which are all at the far end of the Bears area. Not many kids play league on the lower North Shore.
 
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No, not many kids would be playing RL on the lower North Shore (similar issue around the Eastern Suburbs.)

Does Bears territory go all the way to the Hills District? I was always under the impression that the Baulkham Hills Shire (i.e. Castle Hill) was Eels territory? Or does it end at Pennant Hills and not go any further?

Certainly when I was growing up there everyone supported Parramatta (admittedly even though in decline at the time they'd won 4 premierships earlier in the decade) but then again I have always found catchment areas a bit strangely arranged (i.e. Apparently Epping/Eastwood is Tigers territory...)
 

girvie

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cumberlandsashes81 said:
No, not many kids would be playing RL on the lower North Shore (similar issue around the Eastern Suburbs.)

Does Bears territory go all the way to the Hills District? I was always under the impression that the Baulkham Hills Shire (i.e. Castle Hill) was Eels territory? Or does it end at Pennant Hills and not go any further?

Certainly when I was growing up there everyone supported Parramatta (admittedly even though in decline at the time they'd won 4 premierships earlier in the decade) but then again I have always found catchment areas a bit strangely arranged (i.e. Apparently Epping/Eastwood is Tigers territory...)

The Hills Hawks play at Dural.

The Bears territory extends West to Cherrybrook. Castle Hill is Parramatta area.
 

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