Fien romance ends in date with Kiwis

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Fien romance ends in date with Kiwis

03 September 2006

By STEVE KILGALLON

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]Nathan Fien, a former Queensland State of Origin hooker, will be called into the Kiwis' squad to defend their Tri-Nations title.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]Fien, from Mount Isa in north-west Queensland, is eligible for New Zealand through his late Wanganui-born grandmother. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]The 27-year-old Warriors player declared his allegiance to the Kiwis earlier this year, only for Australian Rugby League chief executive Geoff Carr to claim Fien did not meet residency qualifications. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]Kiwis coach Brian McClennan is due to name 10-12 players from NRL clubs not in the finals for an initial train-on squad this week. It will include Fien, who had to convince McClennan he was genuine about the black jersey. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]"Bluey wanted to know that if I made the decision I wouldn't be turning back. I definitely won't," Fien said. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]"He wanted to know where I stood - the things I grew up with in Queensland, being the underdog, and always wanting to do the best for your team, related to what Bluey expected from his players in the Kiwis." [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]Fien said he began thinking about playing for New Zealand earlier this season and conversations with Warriors fullback Brent Webb, another exiled Queenslander who plays for New Zealand, convinced him. "We're not breaking any rules ... and I'd love to wear the jersey," said Fien. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]"I'd put my body on the line and I am a man who won't turn back on a decision. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]"People said I nearly made Origin this year, and that I could still go and do that, but this is where I stand now. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]"This is my decision and if Queensland want me to play now, it is not the way I will go." [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]Fien, who is contracted for one more season at the Warriors, has a New Zealand-born daughter and, he relates proudly, his son has already learned to count in Maori. He wants to extend his stay here beyond 2007. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]Warriors chief executive Wayne Scurrah admits to a "gap in the squad and a gap in the salary cap" after the midweek sacking of one of the club's highest-earning players, Sione Faumuina. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]He said the club would not hurry into a signing and had yet to consider making a late offer to Awen Guttenbeil should Castleford - the English club he has signed for for next year - be relegated. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]But Scurrah said the Warriors had contacts in England and would consider moving to sign a player from a relegated English side. [/FONT]

source: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3785360a10713,00.html

 

[ozbash]

F. O. F.
he is not a kiwi and his inclusion will cheapen the kiwi jersey which has already been de-valued by b webb.

ffs, what next ?

 

[Fast Eddie]

If Webb doesn't keep playing for the Kiwis after leaving the Warriors then f**k him.

At least Fien has Kiwi blood in him.

 

[Iafeta]

ozbash, your response is expected. :crazy:

Captain Charisma, it doesn't say anything about Webb turning his back on the Kiwis.

 

[da mad maori]

And Jake Webster is another one.

 

[Fast Eddie]

ozbash, your response is expected. :crazy:

Captain Charisma, it doesn't say anything about Webb turning his back on the Kiwis.

I know, just saying that if he does turn his back on the Kiwis after leaving the Warriors then I will lose all respect for him.

 

[Iafeta]

Why even suggest it though when it's not reported anywhere, Webb's not even said anything like it, and there's no signs of it?

It's like worrying about what you're going to do if the garbos don't come for 6 months. It ain't gonna happen.

 

[Brian McLennon]

F. O. F.
he is not a kiwi and his inclusion will cheapen the kiwi jersey which has already been de-valued by b webb.

ffs, what next ?

Look cuzbash we studied this very carefully and Nathan rang me and met me and said his full elegiance is with the Chrisco Kiwis. His Grandmother is Kiwi so thats good enough for me and he will not let the Chrisco Kiwis down

 

[MKEB...]

Look cuzbash we studied this very carefully and Nathan rang me and met me and said his full elegiance is with the Chrisco Kiwis. His Grandmother is Kiwi so thats good enough for me and he will not let the Chrisco Kiwis down

Elegance, or allegiance?

 

[Fast Eddie]

Why even suggest it though when it's not reported anywhere, Webb's not even said anything like it, and there's no signs of it?

It's like worrying about what you're going to do if the garbos don't come for 6 months. It ain't gonna happen.

My point was that I don't mind Webb and Fien playing for us but if they stopped playing for NZ when they leave the Warriors then I would have a problem with it.

 

[Iafeta]

There's been no indication of it so there's no point suggesting or inferring it.

 

[ozbash]

Look cuzbash we studied this very carefully and Nathan rang me and met me and said his full elegiance is with the Chrisco Kiwis. His Grandmother is Kiwi so thats good enough for me and he will not let the Chrisco Kiwis down

piss off bluebum :shock:

my granny is irish so does that qualify me as a star center for the donybrook gaelic footy team ?? i think not.

back to fein, cool, the warriors seem to enjoy a reasonly large proportion of aussie players but do the NZRL have to follow suit ?

10 years down the track (if the current trend continues) we will be going to the new Carlaw Park to watch the ANZACS take on the Great Britain team in a 4 nation world cup game.

allowing non nz,ers to wear the jersey errodes the history and the very core of our national pride.

if thats predictable then i,m all for stopping this bullsh*t in its tracks.

fein is no more kiwi than i am aussie.

 

[Sanchez]

Under the rules he is a kiwi

 

[Iafeta]

oz, you're out of your mind mate. What gives for you to decide who is, or who isn't eligible for a country? What gives for you to make that judgement without knowing why that decision was made? Is it as clear cut and dried as birthplace? Surely not, my brother in law was born in Germany, moved here at a young age, is a fully fledged Australian in my book. No one even brings up the German part of it. I also have mates over here who were born and bred Kiwis, but now have adopted Australia as their new country.

I used to be highly naiive to all this and join in the cutie dramatics, but when you meet a lot of people who've moved around and adopted a lot of different parts of the world with pride, and when you study at a tertiary level and realise the transglobalisation that various democracies, work need requirements, humanitarian requirements, and innovation and technology advances have allowed, you realise its absolutely bullsh!t for someone not in that person's shoes to make a judgement on their decision. Unless they give you due cause to doubt their decision by publically indicating its because they won't get another representative jersey, then I think you need to accept it, deal with it, and move on.

My calendar says todays 3 September, 2006. Not 3 September, 1965. The world is a different place, perhaps you should join us.

 

[MKEB...]

Late night last night Feka?

When a player has new Zealand citizenship or a new Zealand Passport then I am ok with it. I personally disagree with Grandma/Grandpa thing. It makes me think of the Kilted Kiwi brigade.

 

[Esoj]

F. O. F.
he is not a kiwi and his inclusion will cheapen the kiwi jersey which has already been de-valued by b webb.

ffs, what next ?

webb did his time fair enough for me

fien has a kiwi grandmother makes him a Kiwi for me

imo it would be more of an outrage not letting these guys play for the kiwis that want too. it doesn't cheapen the kiwi jersey infact the exact oppisite.it ehances it and means that no matter where you are from you can still play for the kiwis.

 

[ozbash]

htf can it enhance a kiwi jersey by allowing an australian to play in it ?

fein wants to play for the kiwis. he,s not good enough to play for auusie.
same with webby.
devalues the jersey.

they had some pretty good ideas in '65. we all knew who we were.

 

[SunkenEyes]

I totally agree with your comments Iafeta. There is no way that anyone can come up with a logical arguement against someone elses sense of place, and thus decisions about their nationality and identity. People in this age are very mobile in the globalised world, thus It can be easy for people to feel a sense of attachment to more than one place. There are obvously rules that need to be followed in regards to elligiblity for national sports teams, so if they are being followed I have no problems with who is being selected. If Fein is a legitimate selection and a form hooker/halfback, then he deserves his spot, taking into account that form is a matter of opinion.

 

[ozbash]

I totally agree with your comments Iafeta. There is no way that anyone can come up with a logical arguement against someone elses sense of place, and thus decisions about their nationality and identity. People in this age are very mobile in the globalised world, thus It can be easy for people to feel a sense of attachment to more than one place. There are obvously rules that need to be followed in regards to elligiblity for national sports teams, so if they are being followed I have no problems with who is being selected. If Fein is a legitimate selection and a form hooker/halfback, then he deserves his spot, taking into account that form is a matter of opinion.

whoopty doo. so go play for the wanderers or the barbarians.

it is a globalised word (obviously) and you will probaly find that the 'genuine' kiwis will follow the time honoured tradition of coming home when called to represent their country.

fein is not a legitimate selection, far from it, he's an australian.

 

[Esoj]

htf can it enhance a kiwi jersey by allowing an australian to play in it ?

fein wants to play for the kiwis. he,s not good enough to play for auusie.
same with webby.
devalues the jersey.

they had some pretty good ideas in '65. we all knew who we were.

no it doesn't devalue the jersey and whats this about aussies in a kiwis jersey all I see currently is kiwis in kiwi's jerseys.

the depth in nz league is very small and we shouldn't turn away kiwis that want to play for us.

65 was good 40 years ago :lol: